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post #30951 of 32841
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Originally Posted by Raynis View Post

The final worldwide for SS is now about $30 million, and it opens in UK and other territories today. It's going to have a good weekend!

50M.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/08/05/box-office-suicide-squad-tops-50m-worldwide-in-two-days/#5e7fe8d5340c

post #30952 of 32841
Whew. That's chowder.

NINE LIVES has six credited writers! Must be good!
post #30953 of 32841
I wish one of these movies about a workaholic parent learning what's most important in life would end with him realizing his family sucks and that's why he works 100 hours a week: to avoid them.
post #30954 of 32841
Make his family really suck. Like his preteen son is played by Lance Henriksen.
post #30955 of 32841

So the Chinese have decided that Suicide Squad is not going to be released in their country due to the "negative values" portrayed in the movie.

 

With that, this is officially going to lose Warner Brothers a lot of money.  Before marketing costs, the budget for this movie was only $75 million less than BvS.  

 

Word is it needs to make at least $800 worldwide in order to break even.  Which is a real tall task at this point.

 

With BvS barely making WB a profit off the investment, and Suicide Squad likely squandering that, what position does it put WB in now if these movies are no longer making money for them?  

 

I'm going to bet Aquaman isn't getting a stand alone movie anymore.


Edited by catartik - 8/5/16 at 10:30am
post #30956 of 32841
DC hardcore fanboys are probably like, "Argh, boycott China!"
post #30957 of 32841

Good god, I saw that 9 lives trailer before Suicide Squad. That can't be a fucking real movie. What the fucking fuck, Spacey should be ashamed of himself.

post #30958 of 32841
30 years ago he was a regular collaborator of the Coens. And now this.
post #30959 of 32841

Wait. There's a movie where Kevin Spacey is a cat? That sounds fantastic! 

 

I'm going to try not to watch the trailer so I can resist the crushing disappointment of reality and keep my excitement levels high!

post #30960 of 32841
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Originally Posted by MrSaxon View Post
 

Wait. There's a movie where Kevin Spacey is a cat? That sounds fantastic! 

 

A similar reaction when I found out Gary Oldman was in a movie playing a dwarf.

 

Be very careful about what you get excited about.

post #30961 of 32841

Cheer up everyone. This is coming next Tuesday!

post #30962 of 32841
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Originally Posted by felix View Post
 

Cheer up everyone. This is coming next Tuesday!

 

So that was a teaser trailer for the teaser trailer?

 

This might be the first one of these I don't see. One stuntman got killed and one of Charlize Theron's stunt doubles (quite possibly her primary one) from Mad Max: Fury Road got horribly injured during the making of this film. She lost an arm. I really just don't want to see it right now after hearing about all this. Maybe quite possibly never. Almost none of the characters who should be back for this are mentioned as returning either, so what's the point?


Edited by Shan - 8/5/16 at 6:14pm
post #30963 of 32841
Oof. Imagine losing your arm making that piece of shit.
post #30964 of 32841
A Furiosa stunt double losing their arm *after* making that film is a bit of tragic irony.
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It's all I'm thinking about, too. Apparently this shoot was hell for everyone besides what made the news. That teaser-teaser looks like he's aping MAX MAD, again.
post #30966 of 32841
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A Furiosa stunt double losing their arm *after* making that film is a bit of tragic irony.

 

In all honesty, I never made that connection until I just read what you wrote there.

 

Terrible business all round, really.

post #30967 of 32841
She could still double for Theron in MAD MAX 5, if it was her left arm. Not being an asshole but an optimist.
post #30968 of 32841
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Originally Posted by Virtanen View Post

She could still double for Theron in MAD MAX 5, if it was her left arm. Not being an asshole but an optimist.


"My face had degloved, that's when skin is peeled from its structure. When my sister visited me in hospital, she saw my teeth where my cheeks used to be. Morphine numbed the pain of my shattered shoulder blade, severed crown, collapsed lung, brain bleed and broken clavicle, ribs and vertebrae.
I lost one arm and have permanent damage to the other."
post #30969 of 32841

Absolutely not a criticism of anyone in this thread nor is one intended but I at least would like to at this point draw a line under the whole thing at this point outside the discussion of the actual facts of the situation from now on. It's just bleak enough as it is.

post #30970 of 32841
Damn. So much for optimism. I hope they investigate that production and possible work security problems so that nothing like this never happens again.
post #30971 of 32841
65 M opening Friday for Suicide Squad (which some were predicting to be its entire opening weekend a year ago).

Wonder had it got good reviews ala Deadpool if it would've been the top opening weekend of the year.

It's very possible it could outgross Batman V Superman.
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I kind of hope it does. I feel a weird sense of loyalty toward Will Smith - especially after seeing this movie where he's the MVP (in my opinion) - and would like this movie to be somewhat successful, just so he's got the necessary clout to make (and star in) other big movies. 

 

His son can fuck off, though. 


Edited by MrSaxon - 8/6/16 at 9:15am
post #30973 of 32841
We have very few genuine movie stars around. I'm glad Smith hasn't lost his appeal.
post #30974 of 32841

Smith is smart enough to know what kind of franchise to jump into as well thus why he turned down the sequel to Independence Day and joined up with this instead. After Earth I think really made him re-evaluate that.

post #30975 of 32841
Was Smith really the main draw in this, though? I remember he was barely featured in that first trailer.
post #30976 of 32841
Both Smith and Robbie are really, really good in what essentially is a--

You know what? Suicide Squad is basically just Focus 2.
post #30977 of 32841
I was surprised they gave Deadshot and Harley a little side-story. But after seeing them bounce off each other, I wanted more. They're a good pair character-wise and with star power.
post #30978 of 32841
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65 M opening Friday for Suicide Squad (which some were predicting to be its entire opening weekend a year ago).

Wonder had it got good reviews ala Deadpool if it would've been the top opening weekend of the year.

It's very possible it could outgross Batman V Superman.

 

Oh my... what does WB do now? Since they panicked when BvS had problems, they meddled and interfered with Ayer's shoot and post production. What do they do with WW? Leave it be because the reviews generally point at the editing as a major problem (the main thing they played with)... or double down, because it seems to have worked in ticket sales?

post #30979 of 32841
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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post

65 M opening Friday for Suicide Squad (which some were predicting to be its entire opening weekend a year ago).

Wonder had it got good reviews ala Deadpool if it would've been the top opening weekend of the year.

It's very possible it could outgross Batman V Superman.

 

It's a bit early to make that prognostication.  Most likely the same people that went to see BvS on the opening weekend are the same people that are seeing this, this weekend.  This movie actually has worse reviews than BvS and a Cinemascore of B+.  You know what else got a B+ rating this weekend? Nine Lives.

 

A more accurate projection of where this is heading will play out through the week with the weekday grosses and the second weekend grosses.  

 

Right now I would put Suicide Squad's domestic total around $305 million and worldwide around $625 million.

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How does Cinemascore come up with these letter grades? Do they post some schmuck outside the auditorium with a clipboard and have him ask the goofballs leaving the theater what letter grade they'd give the movie?

I'd always say, "I give it an 'E.'"
post #30981 of 32841

That's exactly what they do only they have people fill out ballots.

post #30982 of 32841
I'd still give it an "E."
post #30983 of 32841
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Originally Posted by catartik View Post
 

Most likely the same people that went to see BvS on the opening weekend are the same people that are seeing this, this weekend.  This movie actually has worse reviews than BvS and a Cinemascore of B+.  You know what else got a B+ rating this weekend? Nine Lives.

 

This is getting a lot more women and under 25 crowd though.  Will Smith and Margot Robbie helped with that. A more diverse cast helped the Transformers films and their terrible reviews too.

post #30984 of 32841
All superhero movies are front-loaded unless they have rave word of mouth.

A B+ Cinemascore is not that.

Deadpool scored an A. It coasted on strong word of mouth and positive critical reception.

In August of 2014, Guardians of the Galaxy scored an A. Same thing.

I'm not saying this movie won't make money, but with the critical reception combined with the early word of mouth, to say this is going to make more money than BvS is a stretch. An August opening weekend record sounds great in the headlines, but the fact of the matter is that this movie isn't going to be profitable for Warner Brothers, and that is what really matters.
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That's exactly what they do only they have people fill out ballots.

 

I filled one out for Black Mass. There's a guy hanging out by the door to the theater screen with a clipboard full of questionnaire cards and he asks you if you'd like to share your thoughts of the movie.

 

If you say yes he hands you a (weird looking) card that has a lot of tear-away tabs on it with questions.

 

After you've seen the movie, you're supposed to tear off the tabs according to how you felt about it.

 

The questions are like "What made you come and see this movie today?" and the answers will range from "The story", "The actor in the lead role", "The director" etc.

 

Another one was "How likely are you to purchase this movie on Blu-Ray?" and another one was "How likely are you to watch this on VOD again?".

 

Also you gave the movie an overall letter grade (and I think they asked for the letter grade for the main actor and supporting actors and direction/story).

post #30986 of 32841
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Originally Posted by catartik View Post


I'm not saying this movie won't make money, but with the critical reception combined with the early word of mouth, to say this is going to make more money than BvS is a stretch. An August opening weekend record sounds great in the headlines, but the fact of the matter is that this movie isn't going to be profitable for Warner Brothers, and that is what really matters.

Batman V Superman was profitable. Not as profitable as it should've been but it was.

This will be too. And will a hell of a lot less expectations.

Just like Deadpool, who the hell thought Suicide Squad would open this big a year ago?
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I think we have to consider that there won't be a China release for Suicide.

post #30988 of 32841
I wonder if I could be released in China.
post #30989 of 32841
Not sure why China is such a big deal. Half of what Hollywood makes can't even be shown there, and whatever can only grosses them 25% of the take.
post #30990 of 32841

the the big grosses before the percentage look soooooo nice!

 

NICE EGO BOOSTIN'!

 

And big business deals with a major economy!

 

FOR THE HOPE OF FUTURE PROSPERITY!!!!

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65 M opening Friday for Suicide Squad (which some were predicting to be its entire opening weekend a year ago).

Wonder had it got good reviews ala Deadpool if it would've been the top opening weekend of the year.

It's very possible it could outgross Batman V Superman.
Not. No, it wouldn't have out grossed civil war.
post #30992 of 32841
If it got Civil War reviews? It might have. But we don't live in that reality right now.

This has been the summer of disappointing sequel returns. Looks like Jason Bourne will drop 60% this weekend and Star Trek Beyond another 60% drop. Ghostbusters won't reach much higher than 120 M.

I know international gross can save all this but domestic gross still matters when it comes to green lighting a sequel (look at Terminator Genysis).

Will we see a Ghostbusters 2, Bourne 6, Star Trek 4, X-Men 7?
post #30993 of 32841
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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post

... (look at Terminator Genysis).

 

Must we?

post #30994 of 32841
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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post

Will we see a Ghostbusters 2, Bourne 6, Star Trek 4, X-Men 7?

No, No, Yes, Yes.

post #30995 of 32841
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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 View Post
 

No, No, Yes, Yes.

 

I think there's a chance we could see another Bourne film if they cut the budget. The Bourne Identity cost $60 million and even factoring in inflation and other things that cost a lot more now in film production that moved ahead of inflation, that's still cheaper. Back-end Matt Damon's fee more too to help with that if necessary.

 

Also, for the love of God, write a much better script instead of recycling all of it from past elements of the previous three (but so much worse this time) and don't undermine the past films either (like what this did to the whole point of Ultimatum).

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I think there's a chance we could see another Bourne film if they cut the budget. The Bourne Identity cost $60 million and even factoring in inflation and other things that cost a lot more now in film production that moved ahead of inflation, that's still cheaper. Back-end Matt Damon's fee more too to help with that if necessary.

Also, for the love of God, write a much better script instead of recycling all of it from past elements of the previous three (but so much worse this time) and don't undermine the past films either (like what this did to the whole point of Ultimatum).

Boure is much more likely to get a sequel than, say, Star Trek. It is on track for $150 domestic and probably $350-400 worldwide. It cost $120, which is much more reasonable than most of the other blockbusters this summer ($185 for Star Trek, $145 for Ghostbusters, $180 for X-Men). It might help Universal a bit to cut the budget, but it should still get close to tripling the budget it has - which is pretty much the basic line for success.

It strikes me that Star Trek was very much hurt by Bourne opening so soon after, and both were hurt by Suicide Squad. If anything, the studios need to realize that you can't schedule multiple major tentpoles in consecutive weeks without significantly limiting grosses. The same thing hurt Tarzan and Ghostbusters, too.
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If it got Civil War reviews? It might have. But we don't live in that reality right now.

This has been the summer of disappointing sequel returns. Looks like Jason Bourne will drop 60% this weekend and Star Trek Beyond another 60% drop. Ghostbusters won't reach much higher than 120 M.

I know international gross can save all this but domestic gross still matters when it comes to green lighting a sequel (look at Terminator Genysis).

Will we see a Ghostbusters 2, Bourne 6, Star Trek 4, X-Men 7?
coming off of another DC movie that underperformed and it being a unproven commodity against a well oiled machine? I don't think it would have made more than civil war. Fuck. Them reviews didn't keep anyone away that truly wanted to see it and has zero competition. It's in a crazy amount of theaters. I don't expect much more than what we got which was pretty damn good.
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Must we?


Griff. Cafe 80's. Just say no!

post #30999 of 32841

That $135 million opening for Suicide Squad looks sexy, but it dropped 40% on Saturday and 20% on Sunday.  BvS dropped 37% and 33%.   Meanwhile, Deadpool and Civil War had Saturday drops in the teens.  It seems like DC has a loyal following that turns out in force on Thursday and Friday, but then the word of mouth tanks the rest of the weekend.


Edited by Richard Dickson - 8/7/16 at 7:21pm
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I think the strong marketing is what's responsible for that Thursday Friday number.  It's all the movie geeks who HAVE to see it.  

 

No matter what, WB execs will continue to have no fucking clue.  I think I've officially given up hope on them despite technically liking the movie.  They fucked up the Joker Harley thing, and that's three DC movies in a row of not getting basic things about DC characters.  

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