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post #33351 of 33388

When Bradito told me he only made 20 million a year, I knew he was making much more!

post #33352 of 33388

The first time I remember following creative accounting and the fast n loose world of budgets was Superman Returns. For the longest time, it was listed at $270M when a third of that was reportedly the dough spent on the aborted Tim Burton and Ratner/McG iterations and, in fact, had already been written off. Somewhere around the time it opened and under-performed, the "official" budget suddenly goes down to $204M where it has stayed since. Even though it was rumored to be the second most-expensive film produced up to that point, circa 2004-2005. 

 

And from what I heard (and sadly this shit happens frequently), something like $10M just... disappeared while shooting in Australia and one of the focal points from WB demanding the Superman Returns sequel (after agreeing to make it with Singer) was it shoot closer to LA where they could keep an eye on the money. 

post #33353 of 33388

I get the fascination with box office. You like to see a film you enjoy do well or a film you didn't enjoy do poorly. It's a movie geek sport in some ways. Look how successful this film I like is doing and now they'll make more of said film. Cool. 

 

But budget? What the hell do we care in the end. We're not paying for our ticket depending on the movie's budget. It's not our money. Whenever I read articles or posts condemning Hollywood for spending so much, it's like, who the f- cares? Ethical reasons?

post #33354 of 33388
Ah the monthly "why does anyone care about box office anyway?" conversation, how I've missed it.

because

it's

interesting
post #33355 of 33388
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post

Exciting that you guys are finally discovering creative accounting!

 

Did you just assume their genders?   So triggered.

post #33356 of 33388
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post

Ah the monthly "why does anyone care about box office anyway?" conversation, how I've missed it.

because

it's

interesting

 

Guess you didn't read my post.

post #33357 of 33388
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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie View Post
 

The first time I remember following creative accounting and the fast n loose world of budgets was Superman Returns. For the longest time, it was listed at $270M when a third of that was reportedly the dough spent on the aborted Tim Burton and Ratner/McG iterations and, in fact, had already been written off. Somewhere around the time it opened and under-performed, the "official" budget suddenly goes down to $204M where it has stayed since. Even though it was rumored to be the second most-expensive film produced up to that point, circa 2004-2005. 

 

And from what I heard (and sadly this shit happens frequently), something like $10M just... disappeared while shooting in Australia and one of the focal points from WB demanding the Superman Returns sequel (after agreeing to make it with Singer) was it shoot closer to LA where they could keep an eye on the money. 

 

Wow.  And here I thought that one of the issues with Superman Returns was that they were trying to scrimp a little on the budget (no super powered villain, Superman's only physical adversary throughout numerous scenes is gravity).  

post #33358 of 33388
I wonder if they'll ever get around to making "Superman Returns II."
post #33359 of 33388

You'll probably never see it.

post #33360 of 33388
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post

Ah the monthly "why does anyone care about box office anyway?" conversation, how I've missed it.

because

it's

interesting

 

*Sniffle* It's like Devin and Bateman never left!

post #33361 of 33388
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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post
 

 

But budget? What the hell do we care in the end. We're not paying for our ticket depending on the movie's budget. It's not our money. Whenever I read articles or posts condemning Hollywood for spending so much, it's like, who the f- cares? Ethical reasons?

because it's another avenue to attack such poor product that's had all the money and resources thrown at it?

 

because it comes off so wasteful?

 

because people like to tut-tut others (especially the wealthy) about how they spend/waste/throw-away money?

 

makes sense to me

post #33362 of 33388

It's relevant to this thread because the perception that successful movies cost more is tough to shake, and has an obvious impact on the business.

post #33363 of 33388
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
 

because it's another avenue to attack such poor product that's had all the money and resources thrown at it?

 

because it comes off so wasteful?

 

because people like to tut-tut others (especially the wealthy) about how they spend/waste/throw-away money?

 

makes sense to me

 

Again, all useless in the grand scheme of things. Again, it's not like box office where that will be the deciding factor on the financial success of the movie. If a studio wants to spend a billion dollars on Pirates 12, more power to them. Its success won't be dependant on it if people want to see it or not. If you're thinking of budget while watching a movie, then the movie has got much bigger problems.

post #33364 of 33388
I go to the movies for three reasons:

The budget
The grading
The score
post #33365 of 33388
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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post
 

 

Again, all useless in the grand scheme of things. Again, it's not like box office where that will be the deciding factor on the financial success of the movie. If a studio wants to spend a billion dollars on Pirates 12, more power to them. Its success won't be dependant on it if people want to see it or not. If you're thinking of budget while watching a movie, then the movie has got much bigger problems.

 

I dunno...

 

Aren't there movies where you hear about the budget (low or high) and marvel at what was or wasn't accomplished?

 

There are big movies where you go "you can see all of that money on-screen!"  Whether I enjoy the movie or not.  It's a momentary thought amidst many random things that go through my head depending on the movie.  Even good/compelling ones.

 

I mean, I don't disagree that it's useless in the grand scheme of things.  But what isn't when we talk about movies?  It's all pretty trivial since movies are by and large pretty trivial.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post

I go to the movies for three reasons:

the calibration
of the cadence
of releases
 

good man


Edited by mcnooj82 - 8/10/17 at 6:27pm
post #33366 of 33388

There is only one sort of online discussion that I find tiresome; discussions about what isn't worthy of discussion.  Those aren't worthwhile and nobody should engage in them. 

 

Hmm....wait a second....ohgoddamit.

post #33367 of 33388
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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post

 

Guess you didn't read my post.

 

Budget and box office are all part of the same thing. Baby Driver making $150m worldwide off a $36m budget means one thing, King Arthur making $150m worldwide on a £175m budget means a different thing.

 

There's a lot of smoke and mirrors, but you still have a better idea of why studios make the decisions they do by following this stuff than if you don't. If they released full accurate financial records for every movie detailing what was spent and where, and how much money was made and who it goes to, I would pore over it.

post #33368 of 33388

Alien Covenant seems to have bottomed out with $232 million. That's not good right?

post #33369 of 33388
Prometheus made twice that much. Make of that what you will.
post #33370 of 33388
Yeah Scott's trilogy of misunderstood prequels will have to remain unfinished I think.

But if you think that's bad, War Of The Planet Of The Apes is barely limping over the $300m mark all in, a drop off of more than $400m since last time! I guess getting stuck in a holding pattern only works as a commercial formula for superhero movies.
post #33371 of 33388
At least with Apes, the story they set out to tell was told. Apes can always be soft rebooted somewhere down the timeline.
post #33372 of 33388
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Originally Posted by felix View Post
 

Alien Covenant seems to have bottomed out with $232 million. That's not good right?

It is if you thought Prometheus sucked!

post #33373 of 33388
https://youtu.be/lWze4pywjA8

Some interesting box office discussion.
post #33374 of 33388
Impossible!
post #33375 of 33388

CHARTING WITH DAN???

 

(closes window)

post #33376 of 33388
What's the problem? Anyway, I had never heard of the wolf warrior 2 which is what sixth in worldwide box office after 3 weeks in China. That is insane. Such a poor year for domestic box office though. Props to girls trip for cracking the top 10 for the summer. And it only needed 100 million to do that domestic.
Edited by Racj82 - 8/14/17 at 10:36pm
post #33377 of 33388
I, uh, I thought "Rough Night" and "Girls Trip" were the same movie.

And I saw "Rough Night."
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I, uh, I thought "Rough Night" and "Girls Trip" were the same movie.

And I saw "Rough Night."
Here's A Hint. One movie has one black woman and the other movie has four. One starred Scarlet Jo and flopped. The other did not star her and was a big success.
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I hear GIRLS TRIP is good!

 

WOLF WARRIOR 2 is ridiculous!  It's like watching an edit of only cut scenes from an FPS video game.

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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

 

WOLF WARRIOR 2 is ridiculous!  It's like watching an edit of only cut scenes from an FPS video game.

 

Wu Jing is practically Chuck Norris here.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
He catches an RPG with a mesh and kicks it back to them!
post #33381 of 33388
oh man... how HARD I laughed!!!

and his anime tears as he turns his head away!
post #33382 of 33388

I hope there's a J-Pop band somewhere named Anime Tears.

post #33383 of 33388

Won't save it. But VALERIAN broke the $114 Million mark this weekend.

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Originally Posted by felix View Post
 

Won't save it. But VALERIAN broke the $114 Million mark this weekend.

 

Best thing to do to improve the reputation of all involved (and make the film seem more successful) is for the studio to simply contact boxofficemojo and imdb in order to "correct" the stated amount of the budget.   

post #33385 of 33388

Or they could sacrifice Dane DeHaan and Cara Delevingne to the Red God in the hope He brings the movie's Box Office back to life.

post #33386 of 33388
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Won't save it. But VALERIAN broke the $114 Million mark this weekend.

 

Let's be clear this is worldwide. Because even domestic that wouldn't save it.

post #33387 of 33388

Besson's last hope is to release it in China as VALERIAN AND THE CITY OF A THOUSAND WOLF WARRIORS.

post #33388 of 33388
I'm CERTAIN that's an actual title of one of the books!!!
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