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To be honest, I actually prefer Monsters University and Finding Dory to their predecessors, but i don’t love the originals as much as some.
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I’d even wager at this point that the box office for Wonder Woman benefitted more from the weak competition of Transformers 5 and PotC5 than people being over the moon about Gadot as well.

Bullshit. People loved it, kids loved it. Don't mistake Justice League's performance for the reception of Wonder Woman or Gadot's performance in that film.
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Wonder Woman had women in tears during the action scenes. There are whole articles about it and everything.

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catartik is right. People actually hate Wonder Woman as much as they hate the rest of DCEU. The high scores it gets are just a conspiracy. Make Mine Marvel.
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catartik is right. People actually hate Wonder Woman as much as they hate the rest of DCEU. The high scores it gets are just a conspiracy. Make Mine Marvel.
I think there’s an audience disconnect between BvS/JL Wonder Woman and solo Patty Jenkins Wonder Woman. Her solo sequel is where people want to see her.
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the movie would not have had the box office legs it did if it were just a matter of lacking competition
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Wonder Woman had women in tears during the action scenes. 

 

This bro too and I ain't afraid to say it.

 

I think it was just residual negativity from BvS, which is hated even outside geek circles, coupled with competing against the huge success of Ragnarok that sunk it. 

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the movie would not have had the box office legs it did if it were just a matter of lacking competition

Yeah, but it's not proper MCU. Something isn't adding up!
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Shouldn't even be up for debate. Wonder Woman was beloved. You don't sustain those kind of legs otherwise.

 

But the fact is Gadot isn't the savior of the DCEU as many proclaimed. Her presence didn't elevate Justice League's box-office as quite a few fans/pundits said. She isn't their Downey. 

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Wonder Woman had women in tears during the action scenes. There are whole articles about it and everything.

People cried during the trailer for The Force Awakens.

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Yeah, and that movie also made a lot of money.

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I cried during Justice League.

 

"When is this garbage over?!"

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Sure it's debatable. But having visited Disney World in 2013 and now having two daughters, I can say that Brave and Merida are HUGE with young girls. Who are, after all, the target audience and the only ones that really matter here. And Inside Out is just magical, although again as a father it hits me hard.

 

So if everyone is praising Coco, their latest, and their last original Inside Out still dominates the conversation when it comes to children and emotional health, I still don't see the problem. 


My point is not that there's a problem, just that - aside from INSIDE OUT, which is one of Pixar's absolute best - nothing they've done from CARS 2 onward lives up to the consistently excellent output from the 15 years before that.  For me.

 

They're still making solid to very good movies.  It's not a question of a "problem."

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Originally Posted by Overlord View Post

I can remember one good Pixar movie since Toy Story 3 (Inside Out).

Several have been abysmal. I haven't seen Coco,
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Hyperbole much?

Other than Cars 2 (and maybe 3) they've all been pretty well received.

 

No hyperbole.  Of the Cars 2 and post Cars 2 output, I think Good Dinosaur and the Cars movies were abysmal.  Other than In and Out, I haven't liked any of the others from this time period.

 

I've never been as big of a Pixar fan as some in the first place.  Finding Nemo was just O.K., Antz was better than Bug's Life, and I didn't really enjoy Monsters, Inc.  


Edited by Overlord - 12/4/17 at 3:10pm
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Well then. They're great and I'm sure you are too. You two are just not meant to be.
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Well then. They're great and I'm sure you are too. You two are just not meant to be.

 

Toy Stories are great.  Incredibles is beyond great.  Up, WallE, Inside/Out, also great.  

 

The rest.  They vary for me.  I mean, would you really go to bat for The Good Dinosaur? 

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I'd go to bat for COCO and, to certain extent, BRAVE. 

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I would. Not their best but better than 95% of other American animation at the moment.
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Hmm...I think my post made it sound like I was talking about Pixar films as a whole, rather than the Cars 2 and post Cars 2 output.

 

Fixed it.  

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I thought the lessening of Pixar was an accepted truth at this point. The level of great they were working at was unsustainable, and it’s amazing it lasted as long as it did. Toy Story 3 is the capper, a bookend, if you will. It roughly corresponds with Lasseter heading over to Disney Animation proper (and elevating their game in the meantime). Doesn’t mean they can’t still make masterpieces, like Inside Out, just that they can churn them out with godlike speed and consistency.

I hear Coco is very good, but not next level. Still looks worth a watch!
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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie View Post
 

I cried during Justice League.

 

"When is this garbage over?!"

 

 

Have some refreshing Rep 45 good sir.

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"If only they didn't fire Snyder, THEN it would have done a billion dollars and everybody would have loved it!" - Nobody.

 

Snyder wasn't fired. He stepped down due to a death in the family.

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Snyder wasn't fired. He stepped down due to a death in the family.

Poor guy.  I can't imagine what an awful, horrific time this must have been for his entire family.  

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Snyder wasn't fired. He stepped down due to a death in the family.

 

So they say. I've heard differently.

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So they say. I've heard differently.

 

I've heard it both ways.

 

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I get the reference. But never watched Psych.

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So they say. I've heard differently.

His daughter did commit suicide. I don't know how he mentally would be able to continue with the movie after that.
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Some people throw themselves into their work in order to distract themselves from personal problems outside of it. I'm assuming that Jamie is implying Snyder was let go for other reasons and that this was merely used as the explanation. 


Edited by MrSaxon - 12/5/17 at 5:21am
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Believe it or don't. I just think it's pretty sleazy if he was fired and they said, let's use your daughter's suicide as a way to save face. And he agreed!?

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“In my mind, I thought it was a cathartic thing to go back to work, to just bury myself and see if that was the way through it,” said an emotional Snyder in an interview Monday in his office on the Warner Bros. lot, with Deborah sitting by his side. “The demands of this job are pretty intense. It is all-consuming. And in the last two months, I’ve come to the realization … I’ve decided to take a step back from the movie to be with my family, be with my kids, who really need me. They are all having a hard time. I’m having a hard time.”
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It's pretty sleazy to question anyone's motives after an offspring commits suicide, no matter how you feel about a damn comic book movie.

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That's why I choose to believe him at face value. There's no reason to lie.
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The rumors I'm reading is less about Snyder lying about his motives (because to suggest that IS really shitty) and more about all parties saving face.

 

Supposedly he was going to be pushed out anyway after Justice League's problems.  His family's tragedy just kinda nudged it forward sooner.

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The rumors I'm reading is less about Snyder lying about his motives (because to suggest that IS really shitty) and more about all parties saving face.

 

Supposedly he was going to be pushed out anyway after Justice League's problems.  His family's tragedy just kinda nudged it forward sooner.


Yes, based on all the rumors and reporting so far, it seems like he was a on a short leash during filming, pretty much completely ceded control to executives after the "disastrous" assembly cut screening, and the reshoots / rewrites would have been about making the film the execs wanted, rather than fulfilling his vision. Had the tragedy not happened, he probably would have played good solider, ala Ayer or Edwards on Rogue One, but the end result likely would have been the same, albeit maybe more polished.

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I dont know why anyone would doubt WB execs would use a tragedy like that as cover.

 

The only reason they didn't delay the movie is because they had specific bonuses tied to the release date. Bunch of fucking vampires.

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this town

 

is a gross gross town

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You're wrong!

 

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You're wrong!

 

 

Warner Brothers in the edit-bay on Justice League.

 

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Yeah. The studio wanting to emphasize his departure for family reasons sounds more diplomatic than "we actually fired him after his daughter committed suicide".
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Deadline guesstimates $45m+ for LAST JEDI's Thursday previews, which is second all time behind THE FORCE AWAKENS' $57m (ROGUE ONE did $29m).  I was expecting mid-to-upper 30s, so this is a surprise for me.

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Yeah, this is gonna be big. Especially because the last hour in particular has so many "SEE IT ON THE BIG SCREEN" scenes.

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