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post #35051 of 35228

Jumanji's multiplier is reaching an insane level at this point.

 

Top 15 December Openings

1. The Force Awakens (3.78x)
2. Last Jedi (projected to finish at 2.75-2.85ish)
3. Rogue One (3.43x)
4. Hobbit 1 (3.60x)
5. I am Legend (3.32x)
6. Avatar (9.72x)
7. Hobbit 2 (3.53x)
8. LOTR 3 (5.23x)
9. Narnia 1 (4.47x)
10. Sherlock Holmes (3.37x)
11. LOTR 2 (5.46x)
12. Hobbit 3 (4.72x)
13. King Kong (4.36x)
14. Chipmunks 2 (4.56x)
15. LOTR 1 (6.65x)
***
25. Jumanji 2 (7.11x - so far)

 

That film has smashed each and every possible expectation.

 

The Last Jedi estimate for the weekend revised downward to a little over 10 million (from something like 19.8 million).  It's creaking along, but Avengers Assemble looks completely out of reach at this point (domestically) along with Harry Potter Deathly Hallows II (worldwide).  It's the only prominent December release I can find with a sub 3.0 multiplier, and it's waaaaay below 3.0.  It's earning significantly less on a day-after-release basis than Rogue One, and the gap is widening on a daily basis. 

 

Could be the more intense than expected competition.  Could be not as much repeat box office.  Could be ... other things. 

post #35052 of 35228
Can’t wait for more Jumanji sequels! And spinoffs! And tv shows! And theme parks!
post #35053 of 35228
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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post

Can’t wait for more Jumanji sequels! And spinoffs! And tv shows! And theme parks!

 

You'll definitely get the first two.

post #35054 of 35228
post #35055 of 35228
Wonder if this will follow the Night at the Museum franchise. Huge first Christmas one, lesser sequel in the summer then dead third one back at Christmas.
post #35056 of 35228

it's amazing how easily the future becomes so clear sometimes!

post #35057 of 35228
Funny thing is, wasn’t there already a Jumanji spin off about ten years ago that was a complete bomb? Prize for anyone who can name it without googling it, because I can’t.

Goes to show what a difference a brand name, cgi animals, and burgeoning 90's nostalgia can make I suppose.
post #35058 of 35228

Are you talking about Zathura?

post #35059 of 35228
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post

Funny thing is, wasn’t there already a Jumanji spin off about ten years ago that was a complete bomb? Prize for anyone who can name it without googling it, because I can’t.

Goes to show what a difference a brand name, cgi animals, and burgeoning 90's nostalgia can make I suppose.


Do you mean Zathura ?

post #35060 of 35228

Isn't that the Hips Don't Lie singer?

post #35061 of 35228
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Do you mean Zathura ?

That's the one!
post #35062 of 35228
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post

wasn’t there already a Jumanji spin off about ten years ago that was a complete bomb? Prize for anyone who can name it without googling it, because I can’t.
 

 

TRON?

 

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post #35063 of 35228

Zathura is an excellent film.  I hold it in extremely high regard.

 

And for those of you who are just now getting around to watching it, keep in mind that Kristen Stewart was 15 or 16 when they filmed it. 

post #35064 of 35228
Was ZATHURA even marketed as being connected to JUMANJI? Obviously the book is a pseudo-sequel, but I don't remember the film's marketing playing up the connection.
post #35065 of 35228
Sooooo y'all are saying I should watch Zathura? I hate Jumanji. But I really really (REALLY) love Tomorrowland....which it reminds me of based just on what I know about it..
post #35066 of 35228
ZATHURA is a blast. I'm sure it's the main reason Favreau got IRON MAN.

But it's the complete opposite of TOMORROWLAND's approach to retro-future. I like that film more than most too, though.
post #35067 of 35228
Oh I didn't know Favreau did it. Hell....I even like Cowboys and Aliens (yeah....I'm that guy) so this should do ok..
post #35068 of 35228
Zathura is the best Jumanji film, for what it’s worth. Nice, imaginative kids film. Probably the best work Dax Shepard has turned in.
post #35069 of 35228
I'm pretty much a sucker for anything that has a gigantic amount of ILM looking goodness floating around in it. Understand this and you pretty much have the gist of why I like so many of the movies I like..
post #35070 of 35228
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Originally Posted by Fraid uh noman View Post

I'm pretty much a sucker for anything that has a gigantic amount of ILM looking goodness floating around in it. Understand this and you pretty much have the gist of why I like so many of the movies I like..

like TRANSFORMERS 2: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN???

post #35071 of 35228
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like TRANSFORMERS 2: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN???
That's the one I point to and go "LOOK! Just look at all those special FX! So much of it is GORGEOUS! And even I can't like it!"

There's an exception to every rule..
post #35072 of 35228

mwuhuhuhuh

post #35073 of 35228
It and Attack of the Clones and Terminator 3 and Terminator Salvation just got to go on the trash heap despite how much parts of them make me want to approve of the whole but I just can't. There's a lot more than that but I can't think of em all at the moment.

I will say that I do like more of those movies than I dislike. Probably by quite a large margin..
post #35074 of 35228
Lumping Terminator 3 in with Salvation and AOTC is fail.
post #35075 of 35228
I can't stand Terminator 3. Yeah it's better than some of those others. But not enough for me to not still reject it..
post #35076 of 35228
Have you ever watched that fan edit, Fraid? Normally I abhor such things but it’s really impressive!
post #35077 of 35228
Of T3? I didn't even know there was one..
post #35078 of 35228
post #35079 of 35228
The quality of some fanedits can be really surprising. Almost like they understand the source material better than the original editor/director.

There is one fan edit I am really looking forward to.
Edited by Overlord - 1/13/18 at 10:33pm
post #35080 of 35228
FANEDITS FASCINATE ME

they say so much more about the faneditor than the film itself, which will never be theirs!
post #35081 of 35228
The guy cut out about 90% of the movie's dialogue. T3's just a mess. It's not worth the effort.
post #35082 of 35228
The T3 fan edit certainly seems like he and I think along the same lines. He removed pretty much exactly the same type of stuff I would have....if I knew anything about filmmaking that is..
post #35083 of 35228
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

FANEDITS FASCINATE ME

they say so much more about the faneditor than the film itself, which will never be theirs!


This is such an interesting thing to say.  I mean, any artistic endeavor, but particular editing, is going to say a lot about the artist.  That's kind of the nature of the beast, no?  "This is what I think makes a good movie, this is what I think doesn't."  "This particular method of putting the footage together best creates narrative cohesion, leaving out this scene, though interesting, does the same purpose." 

 

Do you feel the same way about professional editors?  If not?  Why? 

 

I personally think fanedits are an interesting, concrete way to approach possible flaws in a movie, but I find your interpretation to be fascinating, as well!!

 

post #35084 of 35228
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This is such an interesting thing to say.  I mean, any artistic endeavor, but particular editing, is going to say a lot about the artist.  That's kind of the nature of the beast, no?  "This is what I think makes a good movie, this is what I think doesn't."  "This particular method of putting the footage together best creates narrative cohesion, leaving out this scene, though interesting, does the same purpose." 

 

Do you feel the same way about professional editors?  If not?  Why? 

 

I personally think fanedits are an interesting, concrete way to approach possible flaws in a movie, but I find your interpretation to be fascinating, as well!!

 

I can never take fanedits seriously on their own because they are not the actual work of the people that collaborated and created them.

 

One can say that it's a part of remix culture in which new things come about from the appropriation of existing works of art... and I MIGHT be able to grant that if it weren't for the 'INTENT' that you described above: as a way to approach what is perceived to be flaws in a movie.

 

So it's not about creating something 'new' the way a musician might sample older songs and create something that feels like its own thing.  Fanedits, at least in how I've generally seen them, seem to be intended to REPLACE the original artists' work as the 'superior' one.

 

Yes, any artistic endeavor will say a lot about the artist.  But when it comes to fanedits, I mean something different.  

 

A director and an editor use their skills to craft the final cut in a relative vacuum.  They're doing their best with the time and resources allotted them to find a balance between what artistically/commercially drives them and their "best guess" on what their intended audience will find most entertaining/enriching.  With each and every one of their choices made from the script to production to post-production, the entire film becomes a collective expression of its creators' collaboration.

 

A faneditor, on the other hand, is generally working with a VERY limited pool of material (usually just the final film and MAYBE some deleted scenes from special features) from a place of hindsight, trying only to please themselves and others that share their views.  As far as I know, no fanedit of an entire film has ever taken the place of the original creators' film in the public consciousness.  Please correct me if I'm wrong here. (though, if it hasn't happened yet... I can imagine it eventually happening at some point in the near future)

 

On that assumption, it means that this fanedit will always be in the shadow of the original, even to someone who put in tons of time to FIX what they think was 'wrong'.  So the fanedit will only ever be... as you said above... "a way to approach the possible flaws of a movie".  In that way, it's less an alternate cut of a film and something closer to a video essay that provides visual commentary for those who are familiar enough with the original work to take a look at a 'thought experiment.'  And honestly it would probably be more enriching for others if these edits WERE done in the form of a short video essay as opposed to being a recut of the ENTIRE movie.  It would just save more time for all involved. 

 

The one that Nerdwriter did for PASSENGERS is a good example.

 

 

An entire fanedit won't be much of a revealing peek into the mind of the faneditor as a whole, because it was never their work.  To be fair, they're probably not trying to present it as THEIR work in anything but the alterations.  And it's really in the very specific kinds of alterations where I feel they're revealing more about themselves than merely not liking some specific cut.

 

 

I remember watching a fanedit of REVENGE OF THE SITH a long time ago and getting to the big moment where Ewan McGregor screams in anguish for what Anakin has become.  He cries about how he was supposed to be the chosen one and all that.  But I noticed that this fanedit specifically cut out the line where McGregor says "I LOVED YOU..."

And I immediately thought... "If this faneditor ever tried doing an edit of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, I can immediately guess what scenes he'd take out!" 

 

And yes, I think I'm fairly safe in assuming that the faneditor was a HE.

 

 

 

On that level, I think fanedits are more like CleanFlicks in spirit.

 

 

As I said... fanedits FASCINATE me.  

 

 

 

 

please

watch my fanedit

 

 


Edited by mcnooj82 - 1/14/18 at 3:40am
post #35085 of 35228

I'm still awaiting your COUGH v SCREAM: DAWN OF MCNOOJ FANEDIT. 

post #35086 of 35228

I don't have time to do fanedits anymore

 

 

I'm too busy blathering about fanedits here!

post #35087 of 35228
Soderbergh did a fan edit of 2001 let's not forget!
post #35088 of 35228

Yes!  And it's a fascinating look into Soderbergh's own academic interests towards cinema!

 

 

I was also just thinking about the irony of so many star war fans putting in such commendable effort and resources into creating the despecialized editions of the original trilogy!  It IS technically a fanedit!  A fanedit desperately trying to return Lucas's films to their original release state as humanly possible.

post #35089 of 35228

I'm actually interested when people reinterpret others' work. That's what Soderbergh did. There's also that Dunkirk edit that cut the film to be more like a 1930's propaganda film, which I thought was pretty cool.

 

Most fan edits are obsessed with fixing other people's work, which I find to be obnoxious.

post #35090 of 35228

Is there a link to that Dunkirk edit???

post #35091 of 35228
Yeah I tend to agree.

Still waiting on someone to make a single movie cut of The Hobbit though.
post #35092 of 35228
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Still waiting on someone to make a single movie cut of The Hobbit though.

eheheheh

 

https://tolkieneditor.wordpress.com

post #35093 of 35228
Four hours?? Pfft.

Also I like the hubris of calling it “The Tolkien Edit”, as if he wouldn’t have hated every second of any edit of those films!
post #35094 of 35228

Hahahah how long do you think it should be cut down to?

 

2.5 hours?

post #35095 of 35228
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Is there a link to that Dunkirk edit???

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbIbchSteCI

 

Doesn't improve on it or anything but it's an interesting experiment.

post #35096 of 35228
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Hahahah how long do you think it should be cut down to?

2.5 hours?

90 mins or bust!
post #35097 of 35228
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbIbchSteCI

 

Doesn't improve on it or anything but it's an interesting experiment.

HAHAHAH that's fun!  Works really well!

post #35098 of 35228

Jumanji keeps kicking ass. Going to pass 300M domestic next week. Bring back Bonnie Hunt for the sequel!

 

The Post did well too this weekend. Might leg it to 100M if it gets some Oscar love. If not, respectable Bridge of Spies numbers.

 

Unfortunately, Paddington 2 didn't do so hot. At least its a hit overseas and might see some legs here as the weeks go on. Jumanji must be killing its family audience right now.

 

The Greatest Showman is going to hit 100M domestic. Goes to show, don't judge too soon.

 

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

post #35099 of 35228
Y'all just made me realize what my problem with Justice League is. It feels like a fan edit..
post #35100 of 35228

And Suicide Squad is a fan edit that tried to change the tone completely.

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