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post #1 of 44
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George Carlin has a bit on one of his albums about jerking off as a teen. he posits that it was always more arousing to abuse oneself while fantasizing about girls one knows from the neighborhood because hey. . . it COULD happen, whereas a tryst with Marilyn Monroe is highly unlikely to ever come to pass.

Do we, as horror fans, feel similarly? Is a movie about a deranged - but human - maniac wielding a knife (or a chainsaw, or whatever) more terrifying than a story about something generally believed to be totally fictional, like a ghost, a monster or demonic possession, or some other such supernatural enemy? Unlikely as they may be, the exploits of, say, Hannibal Lecter (at least in the 1st 3 movies; I haven't seen "Hannibal Rising" and withhold comment) ARE possible. Is a sociopathic serial murderer with Lecter's cunning, ruthlessness and calculated savagery more terrifying than an implacable, unstoppable, relentless killing machine like Jason Voorhees or Michael Meyers? Is a film about a horrific (but still theoretically possible) disease like "Cabiin Fever" scarier than one about zombies taking over the world like "Dawn of the Dead", BECAUSE it's possible?

There are strong arguments to be made on either side, of course. "Possible" horrors have that added element of fear - namely, that it could really happen to you in this crazy world - but supernatural horrors have their own unique cache as well. If you're at all religious (or at least spiritual) you may very well believe in the Devil or the spirits of the angry dead, and "The Exorcist" or "The Ring" may terrify you more than anything else you'll watch or read. To some, these too are things that COULD happen in reality, because they believe in them on some level. I'm sure even if you don't REALLY believe in such things, if you sit down and ponder the what if's, the prospect of some of these things being real would send shivers down your spine. "I'm an atheist, but what if there really is a Devil, and a Hell? Brrrrr!" After all, the ability to empathize on at least some level with the trials facing the characters on screen or in the pages before you is what makes an effective horror story possible.

Personally, I fall into the latter camp. I was raised catholic, and while I don't practice the faith, the ghosts of all that nun-inspired indoctrination still cling like cobwebs to the dark recesses of my mind, and I am not fully prepared to disavow all belief in supernatural things of any stripe. Are ghosts, or UFO's, or the Devil real? Could be, I think. And there's no way (in most instances) to defend yourself against such things. Most of us don't have hot and cold running holy water or shelves full of arcane tomes to consult with just the right counterspell contained therein. Their power is probably much greater than anything you as an individual can muster, and so alien in their origins and means, they can scarcely be comprehended, much less combated, by mere mortals. The sheer enormity of the implications of some of the supernatural, such as the entirely new and terrifying dimensions written about by Lovecraft, for instance, peopled with malevolent and powerful beings - gods, in some cases - staggers the imagination and have chilled the blood of readers for most of the last century and all of this one. Psychotic killers may be notoriously hard to kill, but they CAN be killed. Michael and that bitch from "The Ring" can't. And the less said about Cthulhu (That is not dead which can eternal lie. . . ) the better.

What say you all?
post #2 of 44
I also jerk off to girls I know.
post #3 of 44
Firstly, Iggy, goddamn just one great thread after another with you. You seriously need to start writing for Creature Corner, stat. You have no choice in this. And start prepping for the all-encompassing 600-page nonfiction book you're going to write on the horror genre a couple decades from now.

Secondly, I personally don't get scared by any flesh 'n' blood villains in any movie genre, I only get scared for the characters' fate. In my mind, if it bleeds I can kill it, no worries. And I've seen enough vampire and werewolf movies at this point they don't present much of a threat to me either really. Everybody knows how to stop 'em. Being Catholic seems to make you even better at it than everyone else too (except for people who practice voodoo). Ditto for zombies. But ghosts, spirits, demons, etc? What the fuck can you then? So that's what's scary to me.

Thirdly, what's the point of wasting time wankin' to a girl you've already known?
post #4 of 44
Bravo on the post, well spoken.

I think it's two different kinds of fear. When i see someone like Hannibal Lecter, or hear about any serial killer, I got that chill down my spine, that sort of 'What can possibly be going on in that person's head to do such a thing?' The depths of their depravity and immorality, or amorality, are something hard, if not impossible to fathom and it terrifies me that such a human being can exist. The fact that at some level, this person shares a common trait: humanity, with you can, at times, be more terrifying than anything aliens, gods and demons can throw out.

But, I'm going to have to throw my hand into the latter category as well. As Stormin said, if it bleeds, I can kill it, so I can still hold out some iota of hope that it may be possible to dump as much lead into whoever is after me, or effectively end their existence. But something not bound to the rules as they're laid down? Holy shit. Now that's terrifying. Man has a set code to the way he does things, and no matter how fucked up, he usually follows it. But a demon? An alien? The rules are different entirely. Plus, serial killers and psychopaths do exist, it's a fact. They're rare, but they "do" exist. Ghosts...nothing can be confirmed. It's that element of the unknown that makes an elder god or a Cthulthu more terrifying. It may not exist...but then again, maybe it does, who is to say? It's the old question: are you more terrified of the sound in the night, or the thing that makes the sound? After all, it could just be a baby...but then again, maybe it's something wholly unimagined in this, or any world.

Just my two cents.
post #5 of 44
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Originally Posted by Stormin
Firstly, Iggy, goddamn just one great thread after another with you. You seriously need to start writing for Creature Corner, stat. You have no choice in this. And start prepping for the all-encompassing 600-page nonfiction book you're going to write on the horror genre a couple decades from now.

Secondly, I personally don't get scared by any flesh 'n' blood villains in any movie genre, I only get scared for the characters' fate. In my mind, if it bleeds I can kill it, no worries. And I've seen enough vampire and werewolf movies at this point they don't present much of a threat to me either really. Everybody knows how to stop 'em. Being Catholic seems to make you even better at it than everyone else too (except for people who practice voodoo). Ditto for zombies. But ghosts, spirits, demons, etc? What the fuck can you then? So that's what's scary to me.

Thirdly, what's the point of wasting time wankin' to a girl you've already known?
Because it's realer to me and it's a sexy real-life fantasy. Me making it with Michelle Monaghan would require a seriously unbelievable series of events. Me making it with Sally Stickwell in my Humanities class is much easier to imagine and thus feels more vivid and real. "Hey Patrick you're pretty good at this art history stuff, wanna come over to my house later and help me out with my Neo-Classical sculptures?" Plus I have a girl-next-door fetish that don't quit.

And as for the original question, I lean towards the realer stuff but that doesn't matter nearly as much as whether or not the film is well done. For me, the scariest movies are Texas Chainsaw MAssacre, Halloween, The Exorcist, The Omen, and (recently) Audition.

But for now, I gotta go crank one out to Miss Stickwell. I'll show her the meaning of Organum Duplum. More like Orgasmum Multiplum.
post #6 of 44
Please tell me Sally Stickwell exists; that name is way too great to have been made up.
post #7 of 44
Personally, I great enjoy chicks I know getting it on with famous ones.

A news article about a psychopath might send chills down my spine, because I know that guy's for real. I might have been one of his victims. But with Hollywood being Hollywood, serial killers (not of the Jason variety) are usually portrayed as cold, incredibly organized, highly intelligent comic book villains. I think comic book villains are really cool, so that's not really scary to me. So, out of your options, I'd go for ghosts simply because of the "it can't be killed!" mindfuckery.

None of the options are as frightening as Joe Pesci in Goodfellas, however.
post #8 of 44
1.Real life stuff like Deliverance is the scariest.

2. Once school's over, depending on your job, you may not encounter enough jackoffable girls to meet the demand.
post #9 of 44
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll
Because it's realer to me and it's a sexy real-life fantasy. Me making it with Michelle Monaghan would require a seriously unbelievable series of events. Me making it with Sally Stickwell in my Humanities class is much easier to imagine and thus feels more vivid and real. "Hey Patrick you're pretty good at this art history stuff, wanna come over to my house later and help me out with my Neo-Classical sculptures?" Plus I have a girl-next-door fetish that don't quit.

And as for the original question, I lean towards the realer stuff but that doesn't matter nearly as much as whether or not the film is well done. For me, the scariest movies are Texas Chainsaw MAssacre, Halloween, The Exorcist, The Omen, and (recently) Audition.

But for now, I gotta go crank one out to Miss Stickwell. I'll show her the meaning of Organum Duplum. More like Orgasmum Multiplum.
Haha I meant more like if you've known a girl in the punny Biblical sense.
post #10 of 44
First things first: women I've met. All the time.

But to the actual subject. Yes, people are, I think, generally more frightened of situations that they can imagine actually happening. But this is why it's vitally important, when concocting a story with supernatural elements, that they be made accessible. This is why supernatural horror stories (the successful examples, at any rate) almost always have a heavy allegorical component.

Sure, Dracula was nominally about vampires, but what was it really about? Loss of sexual innocence; something that Victorian readers felt a great deal of unease about. Very few people feel dread over the prospect of a zombie infestation, but when you pepper it with allusions to race war, as George Romero did, it becomes something relevant, that the audience can latch on to. This is something that every early Cronenberg film excelled at. There's what's going on on the screen, and what it's really all about.

This is also, I think, why so much horror has to be retold for a new generation. Invasion of the Body Snatchers did very well for itself by playing on the fear of Communist indoctrination. By 1978, such fears were no longer in the public mind, and Philip Kaufman had to concoct something else. So it became a tale of the loss of individuality, of becoming a part of the "establishment", and losing one's freedom to speak, and even think, one's own thoughts.
post #11 of 44
This is a lot like that "torture porn" discussion. I would have thought people latched onto that because it's something that could happen. Somebody could abduct me and tear out my fingernails.

On the other hand... a ghost? A fucking ghost? What's he going to do? Rattle some chains? Make whistling sounds outside my window? Yeah, fuck that. That's why "Ghosts of Mars" is a bad title. "Torturers of Mars" is way scarier.

And my jerk off scale goes Burn Victims > Girls I Know > Celebrities
post #12 of 44
I find the supernatural inevitably almost more effective- not sure why. Sure, real life horror is more disturbing, but it doesn't scare me much. It's to do with understanding, I suspect.

Girls I know are inevitably more interesting than some face on a screen.
post #13 of 44
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Originally Posted by Stormin
Haha I meant more like if you've known a girl in the punny Biblical sense.
I'm sure he got it, he just wanted to expound a bit on "Sally Stickwell".
post #14 of 44
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Originally Posted by James Kimbell
Please tell me Sally Stickwell exists; that name is way too great to have been made up.
It's Michael's lifelong crush, played by Christine Taylor, on Arrested Development.
post #15 of 44
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Originally Posted by Stormin
Firstly, Iggy, goddamn just one great thread after another with you. You seriously need to start writing for Creature Corner, stat. You have no choice in this. And start prepping for the all-encompassing 600-page nonfiction book you're going to write on the horror genre a couple decades from now.

Secondly, I personally don't get scared by any flesh 'n' blood villains in any movie genre, I only get scared for the characters' fate. In my mind, if it bleeds I can kill it, no worries. And I've seen enough vampire and werewolf movies at this point they don't present much of a threat to me either really. Everybody knows how to stop 'em. Being Catholic seems to make you even better at it than everyone else too (except for people who practice voodoo). Ditto for zombies. But ghosts, spirits, demons, etc? What the fuck can you then? So that's what's scary to me.

Thirdly, what's the point of wasting time wankin' to a girl you've already known?
Thanks very much for the kind words. Actually, I've been writing book reviews fore the Corner for litle while now; the 1st 3 are up, and the 4th will be done by the end of the week, right after I finish the book. Give 'em a look-see, if you like. Hope you enjoy them.

Actually, I'm kind of surprised at how many responses agree w/ my position that the supernatural is more terrifying. I figured for sure it'd go the other way, and real world terrors would tip the scales heavily in their favor. Shows all I know.

And somone already beat me to the "know in a Biblical sense" joke, so I won't repeat it here.
post #16 of 44
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Originally Posted by Greg David
First things first: women I've met. All the time.

But to the actual subject. Yes, people are, I think, generally more frightened of situations that they can imagine actually happening. But this is why it's vitally important, when concocting a story with supernatural elements, that they be made accessible. This is why supernatural horror stories (the successful examples, at any rate) almost always have a heavy allegorical component.

Sure, Dracula was nominally about vampires, but what was it really about? Loss of sexual innocence; something that Victorian readers felt a great deal of unease about. Very few people feel dread over the prospect of a zombie infestation, but when you pepper it with allusions to race war, as George Romero did, it becomes something relevant, that the audience can latch on to. This is something that every early Cronenberg film excelled at. There's what's going on on the screen, and what it's really all about.

This is also, I think, why so much horror has to be retold for a new generation. Invasion of the Body Snatchers did very well for itself by playing on the fear of Communist indoctrination. By 1978, such fears were no longer in the public mind, and Philip Kaufman had to concoct something else. So it became a tale of the loss of individuality, of becoming a part of the "establishment", and losing one's freedom to speak, and even think, one's own thoughts.
This an excellent point. But does this accesability have to be consciously absorbed & understood by the viewer/reader to be effective at accomplishing the goal of bringing it home for a person? I was very young when I saw all the movies you use as examples for the 1st time, and wasn't sharp enough at the time to pick up on any of the symbolism or subtexts you mention. But I thoroughly enjoyed all of them, and the latter day "Body Snatchers" especially scared the bejesus out of me. But it had more to do with that damn dog and the creepy noise it made than the theme of the film.
post #17 of 44
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Originally Posted by Big Jim Slade
It's Michael's lifelong crush, played by Christine Taylor, on Arrested Development.
That saddens me more than words can say. I SO wanted Ms. Stickler to be real.
post #18 of 44
I find the real stuff far more terrifying than the supernatural. One reason Michael Meyers freaks me the fuck out, at least in the original film, is that he's just some lunatic who escaped from an asylum and is methodically stalking a group of girls. There's nothing supernatural about him, which immediately makes him scarier than Jason or Freddy.

Other examples of more "realistic" horror films that get to me are Jaws (I still won't go in the ocean), Psycho, and The Shining. The latter may involve ghosts, but at its core is the idea that someone you love could go completely insane in the right circumstances.

Ghosts, vampires, werewolves, Jason, Freddy, UFOs, demonic possession...none of them really frighten me as concepts because I don't believe any of them exist. However, it all really does come down to how well the film is done. If you have a great director, like David Lynch, they can make you terrified of something as mundane as opening your mailbox or answering your telephone.
post #19 of 44
Maybe it's because I'm a pussy, but I've personally found the stories in the true crime I read (Charles Ng/Leonard Lake and the Sylvia Likens case are two recent examples) more horrifying than any of the "supernatural" horror films that I've watched. I think it comes down to the director and the writer, honestly, but "real life" horror tends to get under my skin and is a better representation of the fact that yes, evil exists in the world. I don't know if that made any sense, but that's how I roll.

Oh, and I have to be the only person in this thread who would rather spank it to celebrities than people I know.
post #20 of 44
Question: do blood-curdling documentaries such as Jesus Camp count as horror among horror fans? On a physiological level, I get more terrific arousal from movies like that than from most slashers or other such 'realistic' films. Speaking as an occasional horror fan, I find that the more realistic and believable the violence, the more it affects my nervous system.

In a way, horror is the most basic, primal genre.
post #21 of 44
Great topic...and I agree that the supernatural is much more scary and for most of the same reasons. Look at the way most "real" horror movies end; (usually) someone is able to turn the tables on the bad guy. As long as I know there's at least a chance (however slim) I could take the motherfucker on, that's never going to be as scary as whatever nightmarish supernatural ghoul/creature that's in my mind or in a great horror director's mind. Especially anything religious...that really freaks me out. Hell, I get scared walking into a Catholic church or looking at old religious paintings at the Met.

But the interesting thing is, I find most women I talk to are far more scared of the "realistic" style horror; the Vacancys, the Halloweens, etc. I'm guessing this has to do with a couple of things a) women are usually the ones being chased/killed in these movies and b) women aren't under the delusion that they could actually take the killer, although more often than not, women usually end up being the hero at the end of these type of films.
post #22 of 44
As much as I routinely contemplate my own mortality, I was never baptized or raised with any kind of strong religious background, so I don't concern myself with gods, devils or ghosts. Something like 'The Exorcist' never seriously bothered me, in fact I found the film kind of funny the first time I saw it, but something like the aformentioned 'TCM' or 'Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer' always carried more weight for me because neither film requires the audience to carry any metaphysical baggage to work. As anyone who has watched television anytime this past week can attest to, a fear-mongering media machine has a wealth of ammunition to petrify the shit out of you without a single mention of fire, brimstone and eternal damnation.

I've brought their names before, but a thousand Amityville's or thousand accounts of supposed exorcisms and cases of stigmata cannot possibly compare to a single story involving Charles Ng and Leonard Lake. It takes no stretch of the imagination and no communal reinforcement to bring yourself to believe that depraved assholes like those guys are nipping at your heels.
post #23 of 44
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Originally Posted by Supremo

Ghosts, vampires, werewolves, Jason, Freddy, UFOs, demonic possession...none of them really frighten me as concepts because I don't believe any of them exist. However, it all really does come down to how well the film is done. If you have a great director, like David Lynch, they can make you terrified of something as mundane as opening your mailbox or answering your telephone.
Good point. Although I normally find the supernatural far more frightening, Lynch is still responsible for scaring me more than any other director has managed; Inland Empire, in particular.
post #24 of 44
"Dick Laurent is dead..."

I find psychological stuff scary. Evil Dead is scary when the "camera running through the woods with the groaning noise" is on. I found "Lost Highway" scary. I mean if you were given a videotape that was of the inside of your house, I know I'd be freaked out!

Ghost stuff never really scares me. In fact I'd say the only movie to ever actually SCARE me, as in go beyond the "it's fun to be afraid" to "I'm scared" was the original Evil Dead.

Real life is far scarier than anything movies can offer anyway these days.
post #25 of 44
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Originally Posted by Big Jim Slade
It's Michael's lifelong crush, played by Christine Taylor, on Arrested Development.
No, that's Sally Sitwell.
post #26 of 44
Actually, it's what all the guys in school used to call Sally Sitwell because they all wanted to "stick it to her".

Hey, Michael's the one that said it, not me!
post #27 of 44
Damn, I really need to rewatch that season.
post #28 of 44
Another thing: "real" horror has rules that the viewer can understand. With "supernatural" horror, a lot of the time it seems like they're just making shit up as they go. Wow, now a tree's come to life and is strangling me. I wonder what will happen next? Yawn.

Come to think of it, that sort of stuff should be scarier, but just isn't to me. A tree coming to life, or a ghost, are just as likely to happen as it is the protagonist will be transported to a safe realm full of flowers and kittens. When the protagonist is being strung up and disemboweled by gang members, you know that there's not going to be a wacky deus ex machina involving time travel or ancient incantations. Unless the movie sucks.
post #29 of 44
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Originally Posted by IggytheBorg
This an excellent point. But does this accesability have to be consciously absorbed & understood by the viewer/reader to be effective at accomplishing the goal of bringing it home for a person? I was very young when I saw all the movies you use as examples for the 1st time, and wasn't sharp enough at the time to pick up on any of the symbolism or subtexts you mention. But I thoroughly enjoyed all of them, and the latter day "Body Snatchers" especially scared the bejesus out of me. But it had more to do with that damn dog and the creepy noise it made than the theme of the film.
I don't think conscious understanding is necessary at all. That's the beauty of it. An audience can be made uncomfortable without ever knowing why they're uncomfortable. It's possible to play on their fears without letting them know why they're reacting.
post #30 of 44
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Originally Posted by Greg David
I don't think conscious understanding is necessary at all. That's the beauty of it. An audience can be made uncomfortable without ever knowing why they're uncomfortable. It's possible to play on their fears without letting them know why they're reacting.
That's why effective fables, analogies, fairy tales, symbolism, and parables work, regardless of "awareness". Tapping into the sub-conscious (as long as it's not hitting you over the head).

I'm definitely more of an "escapist horror" fan. Monsters, aliens, ghosts, supernatural stuff. There's some truly scary there, but much of it also falls into the "wow look at that!" category. I'm much more picky with the realistic horror stuff I enjoy. Character-driven and artistically filmed flicks like Silence of the Lambs and Seven are more likely to get rewatched and owned by me. Human on human slasher schlock doesn't interest me and I find the "torture porn" genre too disturbing.

I tend to avoid the stuff that falls into the "could have been on the news" type of horror, because it's such a downer and often not interesting enough (You mean he killed them? With a knife? Ooooh.). So I like my fears (while I'm watching movies) of the unknown to stay safely in the box I've created for myself. That may sound like the immature, pussy approach, but movies in this genre are an "amusement park" escape for me.

EXAMPLE of a horror film I love: The THING is scary because of the ideas (plus fear and mistrust of the unknown) presented, not because there's some possibilty that I'll be trapped in Antartica while a shapeshifting ET is taking over my comrades.

Exceptions to my above-mentioned rule: For some reason I've been drawn to the brutality of Alexandre Aja's stuff. Could be the direction/visuals/characters that give it a free pass for me?
post #31 of 44
Ok, here's another question that I think ties into this:

Who is scarier, Michael Myers or "The Shape"? Is a psychopathic killer, a human with serious mental defect that leads to uncontrollable violence scarier than a force of nature that will stop at nothing and who cannot be killed or defeated? I think part of Halloween's brilliance that few people mention is how effectively it goes between the two. There are moments he seems to just appear in windows, staring at you and as suddenly as he appears, he vanishes. He seems to be lurking around every corner, being everywhere at once. But there's also a backstory, a human who was once a child, for whom no psychological treatment would work.

There are at least two definite moments in the film that treat him as a human killer. The obvious one being at the end, when his mask is pulled off and his face is revealed. It's not a moment of identity reveal, we've known the killer's name and origin from the very beginning, and it's not a scare necessarily (it's not as if his face is disfigured) but it's important because the face behind the mask is shown to be ugly, but not a monster, confused, but not frightened, and concious, but not expressing any emotion. It's really a remarkable shot that tells so much, about the real person who lurks behind the "Boogyman" legend.

The second is, for me, the scariest shot of the movie and the most affecting. It's after he pops out of the closet and pins the guy to the wall. There's a moment of silence, after all the life has left the man's body, where Michael just stares and it cuts to a profile, where Michael Myers tilts his head curiously. I always wonder what's going through Michael's head. Is he mocking the dead man, is he confused, is he curious, is he admiring his handiwork or is he just wondering whether or not he should wear the guy's glasses? I go back and forth between all of these, but the one thing it demonstrates for certain is the human side of Michael, because if he was just a force, there's no reason for him to linger on the body. It's, for me, quite disturbing.

I've heard many that prefer the interpretation of Michael as a Boogyman, but for me it's the human behind it that's so terrifying.
post #32 of 44
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8
EXAMPLE of a horror film I love: The THING is scary because of the ideas (plus fear and mistrust of the unknown) presented, not because there's some possibilty that I'll be trapped in Antartica while a shapeshifting ET is taking over my comrades.
Agree completely. The real horror to me is that no one knows who anyone is, what anyone's really like, what they're thinking. It's not the fact that there are monsters around that creeped me out, it's the fact that there could be a monster lurking inside someone you know and trust.

It's why I got a tattoo of the faceless image from the poster- because I really believe that there's no way you'll ever know another person completely. And it's scary to think that.

Which perhaps leads into the "realistic" horror flicks. Movies like Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer and The Girl Next Door are terrifying because they show something that could easily happen to you, or at least present it as such. That's what makes them harder to watch.... it's much easier to be horrified by actually seeing something than seeing it through the relative safety of a parable.
post #33 of 44
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll
The second is, for me, the scariest shot of the movie and the most affecting. It's after he pops out of the closet and pins the guy to the wall. There's a moment of silence, after all the life has left the man's body, where Michael just stares and it cuts to a profile, where Michael Myers tilts his head curiously. I always wonder what's going through Michael's head. Is he mocking the dead man, is he confused, is he curious, is he admiring his handiwork or is he just wondering whether or not he should wear the guy's glasses? I go back and forth between all of these, but the one thing it demonstrates for certain is the human side of Michael, because if he was just a force, there's no reason for him to linger on the body. It's, for me, quite disturbing.
Love that shot. The way I always took it was that he's not admiring his handiwork (he doesn't ever show or seem capable of emotion, even when he's hurting) but he's examining it as a curiosity. The best metaphor I ever heard was someone say it was like he was looking at a butterfly being pinned down. It doesn't mean anything to him, it's just interesting.

Which makes it even scarier when you think of him as human... what kind of dark place must this guy's head be if he has no qualms or concerns over killing- and even doesn't consider the impact of what he's done?
post #34 of 44
Henry was scary for me because of the psychology of the character more than fears of being killed. It scared me how someone could end up that way, with that mindset, a complete lack of morality. The implications of childhood trauma made it real, because I know people who are now fucked up because of shit that happened to them when they were little.

Edit: Agreed, Alex. Halloween works because of the reality of a disturbed person grabbing a knife and emotionlessly stalking and killing these kids paired with the almost idea that society's safeguards against these things (running away, the police, outsmarting, hiding) will not work because he is ALWAYS there, no matter what. That's supernatural.
post #35 of 44
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
Agree completely. The real horror to me is that no one knows who anyone is, what anyone's really like, what they're thinking. It's not the fact that there are monsters around that creeped me out, it's the fact that there could be a monster lurking inside someone you know and trust.
Almost like messageboards...
post #36 of 44
For me, a lot of what scares can be chalked up to realism and the film's ability to let you suspend disbelief. This can be accomplished effectively in any genre. I think a truly realistic scream is one of the necessities of a great horror. One where you can feel the terrror of the person doing it. The little kid screaming during the bathroom tale in Candyman comes to mind.

The villain itself is not as important as how well it is portrayed. The Exorcist scares me. The Exorcism of Emily Rose did nothing. Obviously the former is much more highly regarded, but I think it was the ease of which I can believe Exorcist over Exorcism. Exorcist is presented as a spectacle that you are witness to as opposed to an account of what may or may not have happened. Basically my point is that although serial killers do exist, a movie about one won't scare me more than a supernatural horror unless the realism is enough that I can sit for two hours and halfway believe what I'm seeing.(Maybe I'm a puss, but this is why I'm still debating watching cannibal holocaust.)
post #37 of 44
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Originally Posted by KaPabLe
Basically my point is that although serial killers do exist, a movie about one won't scare me more than a supernatural horror unless the realism is enough that I can sit for two hours and halfway believe what I'm seeing.
That's the key right there, I think. If you're swept up in the events of the story and pulled into the world within the film (unreal or real), that's what allows your mind to let the fear creep in and for the effect of horror to actually work effectively. Compelling storytelling, regardless of scientific plausibilty, is the hook.
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I think the "supernatural" horror is definitely the scarier option for me just due to experiences from my own history. Although I can see how it wouldn't be scary for other people if they have never experienced anything "supernatural" in their lives and can just imagine the scenarios objectively. Real-life horrors also tend to be scarier for these people since it's a lot closer to something they may come across in their lives rather than interacting with a ghost.

More often than not, I think that if people really did run across something "supernatural" they wouldn't even notice and probably move past and out of the situation before even realizing it. Case in point: the haunted house scenario. Most people probably wouldn't even think a house is haunted unless the walls wrote out in blood "Your house has ghosts and we want you to get the fuck out." People who aren't bothered by "supernatural" horror movies would probably just think that the old house is just "settling" and the blood on the walls as a pratical joke.
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I think the "supernatural" horror is definitely the scarier option for me just due to experiences from my own history. Although I can see how it wouldn't be scary for other people if they have never experienced anything "supernatural" in their lives and can just imagine the scenarios objectively.
Ooh, ghost story time. Get your flashlight up in your face and spill.
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll
I've heard many that prefer the interpretation of Michael as a Boogyman, but for me it's the human behind it that's so terrifying.
My take on Michael (My favorite cinematic slasher/horror villain, BTW) is that he started out as an incredibly twisted human child, but thru some agency we're not made privy to (at least, not in I or II; I couldn't bear to sit thru IV, and never even gave V or H20 a shot, figuring they were just as boring and bad; correct me if I'm wrong, please), which kind of makes it a little more compelling, he melds with some supernatural force of evil. He has no education beyond that of an 8 year old, and yet he scrawls "Samhain", a word VERY few Americans of ANY age knew (before we saw it in Halloween 2, of course) on the wall of the school. That and the more obvious fact that he seemingly can't be killed make it pretty obvious that he's more than just some psycho with a knife. And to me, that makes him infinitely more terrifying. "Escape me once, or even a thousand times", he seems to be saying. "I'll still be stalking you whenever you turn around. I have all the time in the world." Conventional wisdom in the field of criminology holds that it isn't the swiftness or severity of a punishment that makes it an effective deterrent. It's the CERTAINTY of the punishment that scares others straight. The certainnty of Michael's vengeance is what really scares his victims, and the audience.
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8
That's the key right there, I think. If you're swept up in the events of the story and pulled into the world within the film (unreal or real), that's what allows your mind to let the fear creep in and for the effect of horror to actually work effectively. Compelling storytelling, regardless of scientific plausibilty, is the hook.

Well said.
post #43 of 44
Thinking back now, the scenes in movies that I've always found the scariest and most tense are dream sequences and scenes in the blatant perspective of a character that's insane. Because then you know the filmmakers are gonna throw the rules right out the window and are just ready and rarin' to go to show you some really, really fucked up shit. They can do anything, and never have to worry about disrupting the plot because, hey, it's just a dream. So who the fuck knows what's gonna happen next, and usually it's something very, very disturbing (the Dink circling around Catherine Keener three times holding an apple?).
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Originally Posted by IggytheBorg
My take on Michael (My favorite cinematic slasher/horror villain, BTW) is that he started out as an incredibly twisted human child, but thru some agency we're not made privy to (at least, not in I or II; I couldn't bear to sit thru IV, and never even gave V or H20 a shot, figuring they were just as boring and bad; correct me if I'm wrong, please), which kind of makes it a little more compelling, he melds with some supernatural force of evil. He has no education beyond that of an 8 year old, and yet he scrawls "Samhain", a word VERY few Americans of ANY age knew (before we saw it in Halloween 2, of course) on the wall of the school. That and the more obvious fact that he seemingly can't be killed make it pretty obvious that he's more than just some psycho with a knife. And to me, that makes him infinitely more terrifying. "Escape me once, or even a thousand times", he seems to be saying. "I'll still be stalking you whenever you turn around. I have all the time in the world." Conventional wisdom in the field of criminology holds that it isn't the swiftness or severity of a punishment that makes it an effective deterrent. It's the CERTAINTY of the punishment that scares others straight. The certainnty of Michael's vengeance is what really scares his victims, and the audience.
For the purposes of this debate I'm lookin g at the first Halloween as a stand alone movie, since the entire argument is contained in it.

But the other films aren't THAT bad. I kinda like 4 and there are parts of H20 (toward the end) that are genuinely terrifying. 5, Six and Ressurection are all terrible though.
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