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post #101 of 437
To pimp yet another compilation, if you want to check out early RA you can hear his song "Stanley Kubrick" on the Soundbombing Vol.2 Compilation. That one is pretty hard to track down, even in specialty stores, I ended up getting it off oink. That comp. is thoroughly solid Rawkus artists back in their heyday and most of the songs you can't get on any albums at least from what I've seen. It's got early Eminem (Slim Shady EP style, not Infinite), Mos Def, Talib Kweli, El-P back when he was in Company Flow, Shabaam Sahdeeq, Pharoahe Monch, and many more familiar faces to anyone to who listened to any Rawkus before they got horrible.

Speaking of Pharoahe Monch, I've been wanting a new album from him for so long. Strangely enough Internal Affairs is out of print even though you can still find Organized Konfusion albums. Well look at that, just checked Amazon and he's got a new album coming out June 26, 2007. I might have to preorder that.
post #102 of 437
You know what it is I miss? Scratching. It used to be the rap equivilent of the guitar solo, and it's a nice relief.
post #103 of 437
I don't miss it too much, while it is pretty much extinct in mainstream hip hop, it refuses to die in the underground.
post #104 of 437
'strayed from your original plan ya deviated and alleviated the pain with short term goals'
post #105 of 437
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Originally Posted by Zhukov
'strayed from your original plan ya deviated and alleviated the pain with short term goals'
I can't believe I was able to pick out the song that comes from, but I guess "Simon Says" is Pharoahe's most popular song, either that or "Oh No" (but I really don't like that song).
post #106 of 437
To chip in with the sampling sub-topic, I thought I'd toss in a few of my fave audacious-but-effective hip-hop samples, but to keep it thematic they're all culled from TV hits). The main pattern to emerge? Cameron Giles sure knows how to flip a TV theme...

Cam'ron: 'Harlem Streets' (Hill Street Blues theme)
Cam'ron: 'Horse & Carriage remix' (theme from Night Court)
Cam'ron: 'Facts Of Life' (theme from Facts of Life)
Cam'rom: '365 (Pull It)' (theme from Magnum PI)
Cam'ron: 'Sportscenter freestyle'
D-Block: 'Take Everything' (theme from Cheers...Extra points for situating the phrases 'take everything' and 'wouldn't you like to get away?' in a supremely gully and thug-centric context))
Souls of Mischief: 'Cabfare' (theme from Taxi - also utilised by Tweet)
MF Doom: 'Hey' (Scooby Doo snippets...of course, Doom's canon is also essential for fans of the old school Marvel cartoons - especially Fantastic Four)
7L & Esoteric: 'Be Alert' (incidental music from the Transformers cartoon)
Timbaland & Magoo: 'Here We Come' (theme from the Spiderman cartoon)
post #107 of 437
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Originally Posted by englebert
I can't believe I was able to pick out the song that comes from, but I guess "Simon Says" is Pharoahe's most popular song, either that or "Oh No" (but I really don't like that song).
Come on, how can you not love it when he slips mid-line into a Bob Barker impression on "MCs just come on down! You's the next contestants on Catch a Beatdown!"

Any track that sends me into a Scrubs-style reverie about a game show where unwilling contestants are chosen at random to spin a wheel to see which gang from the Warriors will pummel them on national television is aces in my book.
post #108 of 437
Linkin Park's Minutes to Midnight = disappointment.
post #109 of 437
^uh, posted in wrong thread, hehe. (cant edit for random reason)

Ok, uh, hip hop related post...

Fort Minor was an ok album.
post #110 of 437
Continuing the sampling list. . .

Lord Digga - "My Flows Is Tight" (The Price Is Right theme song). The radio edit of the song is cool too, because it uses sound effects from some of the games on the show where the cursing is.

Agallah - "Crookie Monster" (theme to Sesame Street)

Cocoa Brovaz - "Super Brooklyn" (the Super Mario Bros. theme)
post #111 of 437
Immortal Technique utilises a great sample of the score from Scarface in Peruvian Cocaine, a pretty great concept for a tune following the infamous drug from the viewpoint of different characters like farmers, drug dealers and politicans, etc. Check it out.
post #112 of 437
Keeping with the Scarface samples...Mobb Deep have sampled Giorgio Moroder's brooding synths twice for 'G.O.D. Part 3' and 'It's Mine', while 'Push It' by Rick Ross samples Paul Engemann's 'Scarface (Push It To The Limit)' to guilty pleasure effect.
post #113 of 437
Quote:
Originally Posted by Schwartz
Come on, how can you not love it when he slips mid-line into a Bob Barker impression on "MCs just come on down! You's the next contestants on Catch a Beatdown!"

Any track that sends me into a Scrubs-style reverie about a game show where unwilling contestants are chosen at random to spin a wheel to see which gang from the Warriors will pummel them on national television is aces in my book.
That is definitely a good line. I haven't actually listened to the song in a long time, I just remember that I didn't like it.
post #114 of 437
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Originally Posted by Ricardo Brady
The main pattern to emerge? Cameron Giles sure knows how to flip a TV theme...
Cam'ron is the epitome of a rapper who lives or dies based on his production. "Purple Haze" had a heavy Kanye West presence, and was pretty good. His last album was poop, and he's one of the goofier, eye-rolling lyricists out there. He's all about the samples, which can be fun, but I don't think he's much of a talent. His pathetic Jay-Z non-beef was the last straw.

And thanks for the heads up guys. I'm catching up on a lot of tracks I hadn't heard before.
post #115 of 437
Hey, if you really want to hunt down some of these samples, you should go to The Breaks.com. Nice database over there.
post #116 of 437
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Originally Posted by Ricardo Brady
D-Block: 'Take Everything' (theme from Cheers...Extra points for situating the phrases 'take everything' and 'wouldn't you like to get away?' in a supremely gully and thug-centric context))
This song made my day. Thanks for the tip.

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Originally Posted by AgentShaolin
Hey, if you really want to hunt down some of these samples, you should go to The Breaks.com. Nice database over there.
And this probably made my month. Good looking out. Thanks.
post #117 of 437
To return the favor when it comes to samples, I just picked up the long-awaited "Srength and Loyalty" from Bone Thugs~n~Harmony. "Wind Blow" is an awesome track that samples Fleetwood Mac's "The Chain" and comes off as a sort of country/rap anthem. Very cool. And Bobby Womack's "Across 110th Street" from "Jackie Brown" gets sampled on "The Streets". Both very nice tracks, and the album is great, for those interested.
post #118 of 437
Have you guys heard the mash up of Philip Glass and various hip hop artists? Very interesting mix. The mp3 links seem to have disappeared but I'm sure you can find them if you google hard enough.
post #119 of 437
Thread Starter 
So it seems that Sage Francis has released a new CD this week entitled "Human the Death Dance". I had no freakin' idea this was coming out and I'm usually on top of the artists that I like. A welcome treat if I do say so myself.
post #120 of 437
So I got around to getting the new Jedi Mind Tricks from a friend of mine. I was kind of burnt out on JMT or a while, but this shit is hot. The lyrics and beats are so much more polished than I remember from older JMT and at least initially I am loving it. It'll take me a few more listens to fully digest, but thanks to this thread I finally sought this out.
post #121 of 437
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Originally Posted by englebert
So I got around to getting the new Jedi Mind Tricks from a friend of mine. I was kind of burnt out on JMT or a while, but this shit is hot. The lyrics and beats are so much more polished than I remember from older JMT and at least initially I am loving it. It'll take me a few more listens to fully digest, but thanks to this thread I finally sought this out.
I liked selected tracks of their older stuff, but yeah, I'm digging the extended capabilities they had production-wise for "Servants in Heaven, Kings in Hell". It feels like they finally had the materials for Stoupe to really let loose, and predictably, longtime fans bitched.
post #122 of 437
Anybody here into Cage? I decided to check him out after hearing him on El-P's "I'll Sleep When You're Dead" and Handsome Boy Modeling School's "White People". I bought his Def Jux debut "Hell's Winter" on Friday, and I can't stop listening to it. The track "Grand Ol' Party Crash" is one of the best hip-hop songs I've ever heard. DJ shadow production, Jello Biafra as Dubya AND Sinistar samples!

"Run Coward!"

Anybody else dig this?
post #123 of 437
I like Hell's Winter a lot. Ironically, "GOP Crash" is one of my least favorite tracks on the album, despite my massive hard-on for all things Shadow-related. If you really like that beat, you can hear it with a different vocal track on Shadow's Funky Skunk mixtape.

Cage's performances on Hell's Winter are much more entertaining than the two other guest perfs you mentioned, in my opinion, but I guess you would want to save the best for your own album, wouldn't you?

There's some disturbing stuff on Hell's Winter, but man, it's compelling.
post #124 of 437
Thread Starter 
Alright, so it's been awhile since I've posted on here, so let's get some stuff going:

Both Kanye West and TI have released new videos:
Kanye West - Can't Tell Me Nothing (it's also available as a free download on iTunes last I checked). It's a pretty good looking video (and I would expect nothing less of Hype Williams), but I had to listen to the song a few times before I began to really enjoy it.

TI - Big Things Poppin' (as much as I like TI, he's not funny). I think TI has one of the best voices in rap right now, and the beat my Manni Fresh is good, but the song doesn't have the replay value of "What You Know" or "Rubber Band Man".

I mentioned this earlier, but Sage Francis' new album is still in heavy rotation in my car. The production is a lot better than on HEALTHY DISTRUST, but I preferred that album's political slant more than the personal side of Sage (that's not to say I don't like the personal stuff though).
post #125 of 437
I was coming into this thread to post just about the same thing you did DS. I really like Kanye's new song, and while I agree that "Big Shit Poppin'" isn't as instantly catchy as T.I.'s other singles, it's a new beat and has been growing on me. And I've been making my way through the new Sage Francis, digging it so far.

Any word on when Kanye's full album comes out? Is the title "Graduation" official?
post #126 of 437
Alright, to start a little bit of discussion in here again, sales are down industry-wide, but rap/hip-hop seems to have been hit hardest of all. I'm not an expert when it comes to Billboard #s, but looking at who debuts, sells well and more importantly, has staying power, rap seems to have very few acts left who can make it to platinum. Jay-Z was huge last year, T.I., a few others, but just as many landed with a major thud.

Is it just that genres have an ebb and flow in popularity, or is there some other reason why rap seems to be especially affected by the drop-off in sales?
post #127 of 437
Thread Starter 
I had a conversation with a few friends a year or so ago about the decline of record sales in general and I chalked it up to the myriad of outlets that are available to people when it comes to getting music. There's record stores, online downloading, myspace, youtube, mixtapes, etc. Add in the fact that it's a lot easier to get your stuff noticed online as bandwidth allows for music to download in seconds and the market is just crowded. Personal taste factors in as there's something out there for everyone and that its hard to become a dominate presence like you could back in the days of MTV and radio being the main outlet for artists to gain exposure or for an audience to find new music.

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Originally Posted by Stew
Any word on when Kanye's full album comes out? Is the title "Graduation" official?
Pitchfork has his new album listed as dropping on 9/18, although I remember Late Registration being pushed back several times before being release, so I would write the date in pencil on my calender. Graduation does fit in line with the college themed titles of his previous albums, so I think that's the legit title.
post #128 of 437
Isn't four and a half months a long time to wait between releasing the single and releasing the album?
post #129 of 437
The lack of sales in hip hop seems like it could be attributed to the lack of substance. Most hit singles from new artists are party songs that have no staying power after everyone gets tired of the beat.
post #130 of 437
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Originally Posted by englebert
The lack of sales in hip hop seems like it could be attributed to the lack of substance. Most hit singles from new artists are party songs that have no staying power after everyone gets tired of the beat.
Is this really new though? At least as far as singles are concerned, the 90s were largely the same; the deepest songs were never the singles. 2Pac had "How Do U Want It?" and Notorious BIG had "Hypnotize". But going platinum was a far easier feat.
post #131 of 437
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Originally Posted by Stew
Is this really new though? At least as far as singles are concerned, the 90s were largely the same; the deepest songs were never the singles. 2Pac had "How Do U Want It?" and Notorious BIG had "Hypnotize". But going platinum was a far easier feat.
It's true this has been a pretty common complaint throughout the years. It just seems like lyrics and rhyming are increasingly less important and with the right producer the rapper involved is irrelevant. With 2Pac and Biggie, at least they had a distinct voice and that would be represented on their albums. Most new artists have such a generic creative voice that I have a hard time being convinced that their albums are worth purchasing, let alone multiple albums.

On an unrelated note, it would be ironic if the materialistic and criminal lifestyles glorified by mainstream rappers actually resulted in a fan base with a greater propensity to steal music.

EDIT: Fixed late night grammar issues.
post #132 of 437
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Originally Posted by englebert
It's true this has been a pretty common complaint throughout the years. It just seems like lyrics and rhyming are increasingly less important and with the right producer the rapper involved is irrelevant. With 2Pac and Biggie, at least they had a distinct voice and that would be represented on their albums. Most new artists have such a generic creative voice that I have a hard time being convinced that their albums are worth purchasing, let alone multiple albums.
This is definitely true. I try to not fall into the "Today's music is all shit, yesterday was better" trap reflexively, but there are so many one-shot, one hit wonders in rap today that it almost seems to be the business model. Pretty Boy, Mims, etc etc. These days if a rapper has a career longer than 5 years it's almost a miracle.

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On an unrelated note, it would be ironic if the materialistic and criminal lifestyles glorified by mainstream rappers actually resulted in a fan base with a greater propensity to steal music.
This is something I've considered as well. I mean, when Metallica bitches and moans about downloading, I remember the mentality was "Boo hoo, you're multi-millionaires." I think it's hard for some rappers to credibly bitch about illegal downloads given their subject matter. I don't know that people are going to feel horribly guilty about snagging a free song from G-Unit when they're bragging about killing someone.

My point is that sales for rap have taken a noticeable dip, even in comparison to other genres that have taken a hit since file-sharing. It's either that the genre just isn't as popular right now, or that it's still popular, but people steal instead of buying.
post #133 of 437
My song of the week: "Pass the Shovel" by the Gravediggaz. Great beat, great flows and lyrics and I think the group in general is too little known. Great stuff.

Bonus trivia: Original album title (and album title in the UK) was Niggamortis. Love it.
post #134 of 437
Yeah, not sure if that song is on it, but that first Gravediggaz album is a classic. Holds up with the best of early Wu.
post #135 of 437
It's only on the UK release.
post #136 of 437
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Originally Posted by Stew
My point is that sales for rap have taken a noticeable dip, even in comparison to other genres that have taken a hit since file-sharing. It's either that the genre just isn't as popular right now, or that it's still popular, but people steal instead of buying.
For some reason I never want to admit that piracy is the cause for a loss in sales in the music industry. Even though there is no way I would be able to afford all of the music that I have downloaded. Anecdotally, hip hop seems more mainstream and popular than ever. In the past several years, I've viewed hip hop as a sort of new pop music. It is the music of choice for practically any college party. Young white girls like to dance to it and that is really all it takes to get the guys on board. I know plenty of guys who only listen to rock in their spare time, but as soon as girls show up they are playing some Akon track. Perhaps, it's that group that is contributing to my inability to reconcile the appearance of popularity vs. low sales. Someone who uses hip hop as just a party tool is most likely to just download.
post #137 of 437
Going back to the sampling discussion, I'm listening to Kool G Rap and DJ Whoo Kid's Dead or Alive mixtape today, and there's this song Gangsta Nigga that samples motherfuckin' Actraiser! Seriously, the main theme with the harp. Awesome.
post #138 of 437
Thread Starter 
Song of the Year? Possibly

Two of my fav. rap groups (UGK and OutKast) get together for a wedding. It has everything I love in a rap song; great production, great rappers (I said earlier that TI has the best voice in rap, but Bun-B gives him a real run for his money), a great video, all brought together for a great video.

And hey, it contains a sample, so it's something else you guys can discuss as well.
post #139 of 437
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Originally Posted by Desert Squirrel
Song of the Year? Possibly

Two of my fav. rap groups (UGK and OutKast) get together for a wedding. It has everything I love in a rap song; great production, great rappers (I said earlier that TI has the best voice in rap, but Bun-B gives him a real run for his money), a great video, all brought together for a great video.

And hey, it contains a sample, so it's something else you guys can discuss as well.
Saw this a couple days ago, and yeah, it's great. Speaking of great UGK samples, Bun B's solo album had "Pushin'", which sampled the classic "Keep on Pushin'". It's also a nice one. I think it's cool how 2007 looks like it ould be for UGK what 2005 was for Three 6 Mafia. They've been around forever, everyone respects them, but mainstream success might finally be around the corner.
post #140 of 437
Canibus - . . . For Whom the Beat Tolls

My go to man asked me, 'why doesn't the real hip hop like Canibus?' I guess that's whats wrong with rap today (and the charts reflect this). Skill and lyrical ability have simply become tertiary. Bus kills all comers, but I guess you can't chant his verses while falling down drunk, so no air play for him. This album is ill.
post #141 of 437
That Outkast/UGK was mildly impressive. Sounds better set to generic crunk music, in my opinion. Just heard it on the local radio. Big Boi kills it, as per usual, but I would really like it if Outkast rapped about something other than long-term relationships and subsequent drama. Give us some extraterrestrial southern shit (bring C-Lo, if you're gonna do that).
post #142 of 437
After "King", I finally considered a new T.I. album to be a must-get, so I picked up "T.I. vs. T.I.P." yesterday. And my initial impression is that it's a bit of a dud.

I appreciate and admire that he's made a stab at doing a concept album, a rarity in hip hop, especially the remotely mainstream variety. It never quite works though, despite breaking the album up into three acts. I thought Act One is okay, Act Two is a flop, and Act Three finally made the whole thing come alive a bit.

I really like "Do It" with Mannie Fresh, "Touch Down" with Eminem, the Jay-Z calloboration, and Act III is pretty good. But there's a lot of filler, and despite his success last year, the production feels a bit like rejected tracks from "King". A whole lot of noise that often manages to swallow him up; not an easy feat.

It's not a terrible album (I'm curious to see what the reception is like), but after "King" (and maybe this was inevitable), it feels like quite a disappointment.

Any of the other thread regulars check this out?
post #143 of 437
I've really shied away from all the mainstream Southern hip hop since Lil Jon blew up (except for already popular artists like Outkast and Ludacris). This is mostly because of a perceived emphasis on beats over rhymes and lyrics (more so than already existed). However, I'm moving to Atlanta in August so I am thinking I should give some artists a shot. Would you recommend T.I.'s King album? Any other album recommendations with solid rapping?
post #144 of 437
As I mentioned earlier, Da Backwudz surprised me with their inventiveness, and great use of sampling. Lyrics are still pretty lowest common denominator (though there is a great reference to Bam Bam Bigelow that cracks me up every time) but it's still above average. And they're from Hotlanta too!
post #145 of 437
Here are a couple videos for any EPMD fans.
post #146 of 437
Thought about buying this, but decided not to. Sorry to hear that it's a dud, Stew. I'll ask some of my friends about it - oh well.
post #147 of 437
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Originally Posted by ShaolinMK
Thought about buying this, but decided not to. Sorry to hear that it's a dud, Stew. I'll ask some of my friends about it - oh well.
I was actually coming here to upgrade my review a bit. I had the same reaction when Jay-Z's "Kingdom Come" came out, the anticipation and expectations were understandably high. Listening to the album a second time for what it was, not what I wanted it to be, it comes off a bit better. It's still no "King", and it's still got more filler than I'd have liked, but a couple more tracks stuck out to me on a second listen, like "Tell Em I Said That". Act One and Three are good, I still think Act Two is the weak link. I guess I wouldn't call it a dud anymore, but it's not one I could wholeheartedly recommend in good conscience.
post #148 of 437
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Originally Posted by englebert
I've really shied away from all the mainstream Southern hip hop since Lil Jon blew up (except for already popular artists like Outkast and Ludacris). This is mostly because of a perceived emphasis on beats over rhymes and lyrics (more so than already existed). However, I'm moving to Atlanta in August so I am thinking I should give some artists a shot. Would you recommend T.I.'s King album? Any other album recommendations with solid rapping?
I'd highly recommend T.I.'s "King". I've liked selected tracks from his previous albums, but they never felt like a cohesive whole. Patrick speaks the truth and turned me on to Da Backwudz (album is "Wood Work"), who have a real gift for sampling. UGK is a must, they have a new album coming out in a few weeks too that might finally put them into the mainstream.

The South isn't normally known for its lyricism, but Chamillionaire is actually a far better rapper than your first impressions of "Ridin Dirty" may have been. I really liked "The Sound of Revenge". I've never been able to get into his music myself, but Lil Wayne is quite popular, and billed as quite the lyricist. His voice grates on me though, so that's up to you. And of course Three 6 Mafia is southern (Memphis).
post #149 of 437
Thread Starter 
Damn, I had a review all typed up and ready to go about my impressions on TI's new one, but Stew pretty much made the exact same points I was going to make, so in the interest of space, I'll just say that I felt it was a major step backwards from King. I do think that there are some great TI songs on there and You Know What It Is is an enjoyable club song. Overall though, it just doesn't have the flow of King. If I were to put King on right now, I wouldn't skip a single track till at least 11-12. If I were to put Vs. on, I'd probably skip all of act II.

Also, after spending a month with the song, I hereby proclaim "International Player's Anthem" the best rap song in years.
post #150 of 437
Thanks for the recommendations. I think I will pick up some albums today and listen to them for a while. I'll post how it goes in here and try not to sound like too much of a backpacking nerd.
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