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Frank Miller's Ronin, Ronin, Ronin

post #1 of 32
5/1/07 at 9:41pm
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http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=news&id=10051
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post #2 of 32
5/1/07 at 9:53pm
Let's hope that the script doesn't lavishly follow the book. I love the ideas, but some of the specifics wouldn't translate so well to film.
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post #3 of 32
5/1/07 at 9:55pm
i laughed out loud at the durst reference. well done.
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post #4 of 32
5/1/07 at 10:10pm
Wait, I thought Ronin was crap?
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post #5 of 32
5/1/07 at 10:23pm
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Originally Posted by The Alexor
Wait, I thought Ronin was crap?
It is. But so was Ghost Rider.


To throw out another musical reference, Sin City and 300 indicate that Miller can generate "moneymoneymoneymoneymoneymoney....MUH-NAY!" so the studios are following that trail like a bloodhound following Cool Hand Luke.
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post #6 of 32
5/1/07 at 10:40pm
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Originally Posted by Chavez
It is. But so was Ghost Rider.
I don't get what you're saying. In the CHUD article, it says Ronin is one of Miller's best. I seem to remember reading it's one of his worst.

I have Ghost Rider comics and I don't plan reading them again. If Ronin is good, I'd give it a try.
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post #7 of 32
5/1/07 at 10:44pm
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Originally Posted by The Alexor
I don't get what you're saying. In the CHUD article, it says Ronin is one of Miller's best. I seem to remember reading it's one of his worst.

I have Ghost Rider comics and I don't plan reading them again. If Ronin is good, I'd give it a try.
I need to revisit Ronin, but my first experience (in the past year) was that it is an interesting concept but a bit of an incoherent mess. There's enough going on that it COULD make a pretty good flick.
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post #8 of 32
5/1/07 at 11:37pm
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It's a subjective medium, but there's far more high praise for Ronin than disparagement.
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post #9 of 32
5/1/07 at 11:39pm
Am I going crazy or did Aronofsky not write a script for this with Miller at some point? Way back after Requiem between all the Batman talk, I remember there being talk of this as well.
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post #10 of 32
5/1/07 at 11:40pm
There's "good" and "bad" - I certainly don't lump Ronin in as "bad", I lump in in more along the lines of "ambitious failure". It's praiseworthy, but that doesn't mean it isn't flawed - fatally flawed, IMO.
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post #11 of 32
5/2/07 at 12:25am
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Originally Posted by Dan Vinton
It's a subjective medium, but there's far more high praise for Ronin than disparagement.
Aren't all mediums?

Anyway--Ronin was made at a time when people thought Miller could do no wrong. If it were made today--after The Dark Knight Strikes Again and All-Star Batman and Robin The Boy Wonder, there would be far more disparagement. Because it sucks.
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post #12 of 32
5/2/07 at 1:37am
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For all those offended by the terrible, terrible play on Limp Bizkit's crapfest "Rollin'", I'm sorry. On to the story.
Actually, my mind went straight to the theme from "Rawhide."
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post #13 of 32
5/2/07 at 2:13am
Sounds like a live-action Samurai Jack.

I kid.
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post #14 of 32
5/2/07 at 2:23am
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8
Sounds like a live-action Samurai Jack.

I kid.
No shit though it's actually a lot like Samurai Jack, just a gritty cyber-punk version. If I recall correctly, a shape-shifting demon sends the Ronin to the future, just like Samurai Jack.

I read the GN when the show first came out, and instantly noticed a similarity. I wouldn't be surprised if Samurai Jack just ripped the basic premise off.
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post #15 of 32
5/2/07 at 2:26am
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8
Sounds like a live-action Samurai Jack.

I kid.
No, I think Samurai Jack was very definitely "inspired" by Ronin.

It is a bit of a mess, story-wise, but there's a whole bunch of good ideas. Just get someone to write a script that makes sense, and it could be a good flick. On the other hand, if they're so committed to following in the footsteps of other Miller adaptations that they try to do it panel-by-panel, it could be a disaster. Though probably a unique and interesting disaster.
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post #16 of 32
5/2/07 at 2:26am
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Originally Posted by JuddL
No shit though it's actually a lot like Samurai Jack, just a gritty cyber-punk version. If I recall correctly, a shape-shifting demon sends the Ronin to the future, just like Samurai Jack.

I read the GN when the show first came out, and instantly noticed a similarity. I wouldn't be surprised if Samurai Jack just ripped the basic premise off.
Actually, I believe Tartakovsky cited Ronin as a major influence for Samurai Jack.
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post #17 of 32
5/2/07 at 2:31am
I think Ronin is best suited for animation. But assuming this is live action we're talking here, there are a couple of major hurdles to get over. One is that the Ronin isn't a particularly interesting character. He's a samurai zombie basically. Also, who do you get to play him? And who do you get to play Billy? Another character who is sorta one note.

Ach, I can't discuss this without going into spoiler territory, but I think if they overhaul that part of the book, cleaning up the rest of the story wouldn't be that hard to do, for a talented screenwriter.

On the plus side, Casey is pretty cool and the villains have a lot of potential. Biotechnology would look great on film. The Escape From New York on meth setting can be updated, and the time jumping could be used effectively. Also, I'd set the film at least 200 years in the future.

Not exactly Frank Miller's Ronin, but hopefully it also won't make people laugh at the wrong places and, worse, not give a shit.
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post #18 of 32
5/2/07 at 2:33am
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Originally Posted by Beldar
Am I going crazy or did Aronofsky not write a script for this with Miller at some point? Way back after Requiem between all the Batman talk, I remember there being talk of this as well.
i'm pretty sure you're thinking of lone wolf and cub.
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post #19 of 32
5/2/07 at 2:37am
No, I think he's right, actually. He was in some way involved with a version of this movie way back when.
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post #20 of 32
5/2/07 at 5:18am
So I guess this means the Samurai Jack Movie is now well and truely off.

What a shame.

It may have been inspired by Ronin and be a cartoon for kids, but Tartakovsky's show was a shining light next to Millers messy incoherent boring piece of crap.
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post #21 of 32
5/2/07 at 5:23am
Gotta get back, back to he past, it's Samurai JACK.

I loved that fucking show.
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post #22 of 32
5/2/07 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by TheCynic
i'm pretty sure you're thinking of lone wolf and cub.
Is this completely dead? That's twice Aronofsky has broken my heart.
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post #23 of 32
5/2/07 at 1:42pm
Quick Google search revealed this Requiem-era story from indiewire:
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Time will only tell with Aronofsky heading for big-budgeted productions at Dimension Films (the WWII sci-fi thriller "Proteus") and New Line (the comic book adaptation of Frank Miller's "Ronin"). "
Between this and the Miller/Aronofsky Batman script, I guess the guy was dead set on bringing some Frank Miller to the screen. Let's hope they still collaborate at some point.
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post #24 of 32
5/2/07 at 2:35pm
i think aronofsky is quoted as saying that the rights to lone wolf and cub are very difficult to get. i don't think he will be able to do lone wolf and cub.
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post #25 of 32
5/3/07 at 1:58pm
Yeah, Aronofsky mentioned something about the Batman script on that Guardian interview about Noah's Ark.

He mentioned a bus engine in a Lincoln as the Batmobile, and Batman being a straight-up vigilante instead of hero. Which probably meant a simpler suit, which would be interesting.
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post #26 of 32
5/3/07 at 1:59pm
piece of shit cookies, disregard the double-post
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post #27 of 32
5/3/07 at 6:51pm
http://arts.guardian.co.uk/filmandmu...065823,00.html

Even Aronofsky's only brush to date with mainstream material didn't dent his sombre vision. Long before Batman Begins was made, he was asked by Warner Bros to jazz up that ailing superhero franchise. "It was a hard, R-rated Batman," he reflects. "What I pitched them was Travis Bickle meets The French Connection - a real guy running around fighting crime. No super-powers, no villains, just corruption. For the Batmobile, I had him taking a bus engine and sticking it in a black Lincoln. Real low-tech geek stuff."

To me, this will always be the one that got away. Good or bad, that film would have been spectacular.
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post #28 of 32
5/3/07 at 8:55pm
the script is pretty awful.
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post #29 of 32
5/3/07 at 9:50pm
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Originally Posted by TheCynic
the script is pretty awful.
So is the Batman Begins script. At least Aronosky would've tried something different.

I'll take a spectacular failure over a mediocre film any day. That's why I'm still excited about Southland Tales.
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post #30 of 32
5/4/07 at 2:45am
that script sucks too.

batman begins doesn't have much in the way of balls, but it's not a bad script. batman year one is ridiculous. i would have liked to see what he did with it visually, but some of the story is cringe-worthy.
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post #31 of 32
5/4/07 at 7:51am
Batman Begins is quite often cringe-worthy. So was it the script or did Nolan add those moments?
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post #32 of 32
5/11/07 at 1:52am
Ronin is only a few degrees away from DKR with its universe. Side by side next to 300, it's much better.

It won't do as well as 300 or a DKR movie would because it's unconventional and by Hollywood standards - bizarre.

To tap Miller's most film friendly work, studios should look to Daredevil. Unfortunately, that franchise was almost immediately murdered with the Affleck film, not to mention it was already based on Miller's Daredevil story arcs.
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