Fuck!!! Impeach This Piece Of Shit

Oh. Okay.

You just want all the "Unlimited Power" for yourself, don't you?

Americans don't have the balls and neither does Congress or the Senate apparently. It'll never happen.

If there was only some way you could double down and impeach Cheney also.

It isn't about balls, its about winning in 08.

edit: I like Al Franken's idea of a quickie impeachment in 08. The fucking crooks deserve it.

The problem is that impeachment plays to the right's persecution complex. I'd rather let these guys fade away as ineffectual lame ducks over the next year rather than help to energize their base.

Way too late for impeachment to accomplish anything except for revenge -- a far better punishment is to open up the files of this administration while the key players are still alive and let the historians and journalists have a heydey. Who knows, GW might become part of the American cultural lexicon like Nixon ...

I'll just settle for a quick ball-smashing.

At this point, we should be more than willing to let them finish this thing out and let history make the call. Despite all his protestations to the contrary, fifty years from now, this administration is going to get shit-stained in the history books.

The problem with impeachment is that it's so sticky to actually hold someone to a charge. Mass murder won't cut it. You have to lie under oath! A better idea is to have some sort of general recall, like that bogus miscarriage of justice that happened with the Governator.

Except Nixon somewhat redeemed himself by the end of his life. Too many, he emerged a Statesman. His foreign policy assistance with Reagan and Clinton washed off some of the slime. Even though his David Frost interviews should have been the perfect moment for a sincere apologia, he still comes off better than Bush the sequel.
Also too, Nixon was a reasonably good leader until he became maniacal and Vietnam overwhelmed him.
Junior is going to look far worse. He won't leave disgraced as Nixon did, but as the historians look over his terms with a fine-toothed comb, he'll rank far below Tricky Dicky.

What are the legalities of tar and feathers? Can we make that happen?

So long as we replace the feathers with banana skins.

Don't tell Ripoll.

I don't understand, are we going to fuck him or impeach him? This thread title is confusing.

When in doubt, penetrate it.

Or viewed as the administration that overthrew two of the worst authoritarian and brutal governments in the world and started the difficult process of democratization in the Middle East.

Not to mention they invented personal jetpacks, solved global poverty, cured cancer, and landed men on Uranus!!!

Oh, fucking please. You don't get brownie points for starting democracy in other countries if you've betrayed almost every democratic principle upon which your own country was founded. That's conservative, apologist, right-wing, shit-flinging, grade-a, quality bullshit of the highest order.

lulz, that must be it.

Bush Apologists are some of the most pathetic people on this lovely planet of ours right now.

I've come to the conclusion that nearly all of San Diego is populated with Bush Apologists. When I was stationed at Pendleton I would get into many an argument with some sandal-wearing UCSD student about how Bush was the greatest thing since sliced bread. More often than not I would kick them right in the crotch of their hemp shorts, and I was WORKING FOR BUSH at the time. To honestly say that this man has done anything worth a damn overseas really shows how little you know of the situation.

Stop being such a glory hog. What are Turkey and Iran? Oh, yeah, democracies.

Bush apologists love to give their guy credit for everything possibly good and unload all the negative onto Democrats and Iraqis. Sorry but it doesn't work like that. And also, get your facts right.

The man has harmed democratization efforts in the Middle East to an almost immeasurable degree. Arab countries have only tightened authoritarian controls while their democratic opponents can be painted as Bush lackeys. And the stand-by argument that democracy breeds chaos has been proven to many by the cluster-fuck that is Iraq.

Well, Kucinich has been working on the latter for about a week now.

Here's a synopsis and the actual text of the submitted resolution here.

Has about as much chance to make it stick as he does winning the Presidency, but hell, at least he's putting it out there.

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Providing that there is a "fifty years from now".

No matter where you send him, they'll send him back.

I'll give you Turkey, with reservations. But Iran? No one can run for office without the approval of Guardian Council. That's how they shut down Khameni and the reformers. That smells like a sham democracy to me.

I'm pretty sure there's one place that has a "no returns" policy.

You want to send Bush to Best Buy?

Haha, I know. I was just trying to shoot from the 3 point line. <<and with that, I've used up my sports metaphor quota for 2007.

Dammit, I told you to keep that receipt in a safe place Frank.

Don't defend the cunt.

"Welcome to Costco, I love you. Welcome to Costco, I love you."

It's his calling.

"Try a free sample, for our troops."

Fifty or a hundred years from now, either the movie Idiocracy will come true, or the video of Bush will always infamously be the funniest thing is history class.

Living in DC, you should know that smell quite well.

Former Army Colonel and Chief of Staff to Colin Powell, etc., etc., Lawrence Wilkerson believes Bush and Cheney should be impeached for "high crimes and misdemeanors." I agree. These two criminals should face some kind of prosecution for what they've done to this country and to the world. This should be done now, before they find an excuse to bomb Iran, which they will.


From here.

Powell's Chief of Staff Proposes Impeachment
Submitted by davidswanson on Thu, 2007-05-10 17:18. Impeachment

By David Swanson

On Thursday, May 10, 2007, Lawrence Wilkerson, speaking on National Public Radio, proposed impeaching President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. Here's the audio.

Wilkerson is a Retired Army Colonel, the former Chief of Staff at the State Department from 2002 to 2005 under then Secretary of State Colin Powell, a Vietnam War veteran, the former Acting Director of the Marine Corps War College at Quantico, and currently a teacher of national security at William and Mary College.

The program, On Point, was hosted by Tom Ashbrook, who focused the discussion on a need for greater public accountability for the Iraq War, but who maintained that the public was not outraged or interested. (Ashbrook should read some polls and invite on organizers of the impeachment movement.)

Also on the program was Ken Adelman, who promoted the war and said it would be "a cakewalk". Adelman argued a case for not holding public officials accountable.

Wilkerson said in early comments on the show: "This administration doesn't know how to effect accountability in my opinion." But he did not raise the possibility of impeachment until after a member of the audience had phoned in.

The first caller who was put on the air demanded an investigation of the lies that launched the war, and asked for accountability "all the way up." In response to Adelman's claims that history would hold people accountable, the caller said "I would love to have a job where, worst case scenario, my historical record is flawed."

Ashbrook framed the question in terms of alleged limitations of the U.S. political system, and Wilkerson replied: "Well I do think that that's a reality of our system. However, let me back up just a minute and say that I really do think that our founding fathers, Hamilton, Washington, Monroe, Madison, would all be astounded that over the course of our short history as a country, 200 plus years, we haven't used that little two to three lines in Article II of the Constitution more frequently, the impeachment clause. I do believe that they would have thought had they been asked by you or whomever at the time of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia 'Do you think this will be exercised?' they would have said 'Of course it will, every generation they'll have to throw some bastard out'. That's a form of accountability too. It's ultimate accountability."

After an interruption, Wilkerson continued: "The language in that article, the language in those two or three lines about impeachment is nice and precise – it's high crimes and misdemeanors. You compare Bill Clinton's peccadilloes for which he was impeached to George Bush's high crimes and misdemeanors or Dick Cheney's high crimes and misdemeanors, and I think they pale in significance."

Ashbrook asked for some examples of such high crimes and misdemeanors, and Wilkerson replied: "I think that the caller was right. I think we went into this war for specious reasons. I think we went into this war not too much unlike the way we went into the Spanish American War with the Hearst press essentially goading the American people and the leadership into war. That was a different time in a different culture, in a different America. We're in a very different place today and I think we essentially got goaded into the war through some of the same means."

You're the only one left at this site who has the fucking po-faced audacity to post anything positive in relation to this utterly despotic administration. I almost admire your wilful fucking stupidity and self-delusion. Almost. Whatever positives emerge from the Middle East over the next Century will be DESPITE what the US has done. The absolutely hilariously misjudged War on Terrorrrrrrrrr has created more terrorists in the last 5 years than even the most fervently psychotic Jihadist would've dared to DREAM 10 years ago. It has been the single greatest rallying cry to hatred in history. And for some unknown reason, there is a large swathe of astounding fuckwits who STILL don't get that. It is truly bewildering.

Speaking of this despotic administration, this 1946 Encyclopaedia Brittanica educational film totally spells it out.

Well that was a little frightening.

That's probably why they haven't done it, because Cheney would make a worse POTUS.

Also, the Bush family have too many "special" friends, so this would never happen.

They really both need to be impeached. Together, along with their cabal, they pulled off the great American swindle. The puzzle pieces are all in plain sight. The problem up to this point is that people haven't wanted to know, much less believe, but I think their high crimes have become impossible to ignore.

MSNBC has an Impeach Bush poll up. Now you can vote on this &^%$#%^&*.

I think not. Overthrowing Saddam was the catalyst. The US lanced the boil and now the ugly puss (pent-up aggression between Iraqi sects) has to drain before it can heal.

Why did terrorists fly planes into buildings on 9/11 BEFORE we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan? Because we had troops stationed in Saudi Arabia, the Islamic Holy land, while maintaining international UN sanctions on Saddam based on him INVADING his neighbor over OIL. Osama bin Laden always said that was his biggest problem with the US.

He said he could attack the US because we were a "paper tiger" who got driven out of Somalia because a few soldiers were killed and dragged through the streets. He thought we didn't have the balls to respond anymore. America was afraid to do anything but lob cruise missiles from far away.

If we create terrorists be overthrowing governments that shoot women in the head at football stadiums in Kabul or who burn people alive in vats of acid or throw them out of buildings onto the concrete below in Iraq, so be it.

If that pisses off short-sighted people like you, so be it.

This is getting off topic now, but I've had a few... The US was bombing Iraq for years before 9/11, so it's not like there wasn't any provocation. Aside from that, there was enough US and European influence in Middle Eastern power that Al Queda could use as argument for attack - just as strong as the reasons the US had for invading Iraq in 03/2003... Arabs in Palestine, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, some other places, are a largely disenfranshised people. This is a struggle that's been going on since Europe gave up direct control of the region in the 1940's-60's... Who are you to judge other societies? If they don't pass your tests, what makes it ok to go in and kill the same innocent people who are getting "shot in the head at football stadiums", even if they haven't done anything to you? And since I'm on this war thing, and on a line of though yt started getting into on another thread, how do you as an individaul actually benefit from this war? Are you more safe from terror now? Probably not, but if so, are there other threats that may now be more dangerous, such as you being convinced to join the military, or one of your children or close friends or relatives, and going to war and dying???

Anyway, all that stuff that happened last week is so crazy. So much went on, and it's all shit. How long until Gonzalez gets the boot? Ashcroft the hero? Will Cheney ever get called on the shit he's done? Republican "debate"? That Presidential industrial/commercial safety appointment? I need to go put something up my butt to stop the bleeding.

That's exactly my question. NoatheStud, you appear to believe passionately in this war - are you enlisted?

Oh give me a freakin' break. There are horrible atrocities being committed all over the planet in dozens of countries, yet you actually think Saddam fucking Hussein was the proper monster to attack? And that the horrors that are occurring there right now as we speak are just a trifle, just the "pus draining from the boil"? And why even bring up Kabul when we're obviously talking about Iraq? The only complaints I've seen about the war in Afghanistan in these threads is how the horribly mis-managed war in Iraq has completely degraded our ability to succeed in Afghanistan.

The vast majority of credible scholars on the Middle East say the Iraq war is a disaster, with far-reaching effects. And you actually believe a former Texas Governor and owner of a baseball franchise has the knowledge and experience to succeed where so many others have failed? You'll pardon me if I don't share your rosy optimism.

That's how it should have read.

I'm with TheStud. So be it. When someone does something nasty in Tampa in 20 years because the Bush Administration had his father tortured to death today, too bad for you. I won't weep. The only difference between Mr. 30% up there and me is I'm not stupid enough to believe the Bush Administration's claims regarding the invasion of Iraq as a humanitarian effort, and I won't insult your intelligence by repeating those claims knowing they're nonsense.

I'm pretty impressed with the way his sort throw around the deaths of hundreds of thousands and displacement of millions this war has caused as 'worth it' because overthrowing tinpot dictators under false pretenses makes them feel like decent people. Bless their hearts.

With one option for impeachment, two against impeachment, and an "I don't know why I clicked on this" option, Throw The Bum Out is sitting on a fat, non-scientific 88%. Fun stuff.

Wow, just...wow. So your saying 9/11 happened because Saddam invaded Iraq?! And your rationale for invading Iraq is to show Saddam we have balls?! The fuck?!