Fuck!!! Impeach This Piece Of Shit - Page 2

Keep in mind this is a person (genetically) who has argued that it's okay to attack a given country because Bush said so. Not because of anything that actually happened, but because Bush said so. If Bush says it's okay to conquer Iraq on the grounds that it poses a threat, then it's okay. If Bush says six months later that it's still okay to invade Iraq even though it poses no threat whatsoever, then it's still okay.

<Bugs Bunny>Ah, me public.</BB>

It frightens me that you had that close to hand.

Hehe, yeah, I saw it on some dork tee-shirt site about a week ago and saved it to Photobucket, figuring sooner or later you'd give me an opportunity to use it.

God, I'm a dweeb.

This week, Bill Moyers Journal takes an in-depth look at the heated talk of impeachment taking place across the country. To explore the issue, Bill Moyers is joined by Bruce Fein, a constitutional scholar, who was Associate Deputy Attorney General under President Reagan and is a weekly columnist for THE WASHINGTON TIMES and John Nichols, a Washington correspondent for THE NATION magazine and author of THE GENIUS OF IMPEACHMENT: The Founders' Cure for Royalism.

The program airs Friday, July 13 at 9 p.m. on PBS.

To watch online visit: http://wwww.pbs.org/moyers

Also on youtube in four parts:
part one
part two
part three
part four

Highly recommended viewing for anyone who cares about truth, justice and the American way.

Thanks for the heads up. I'm putting in my TiVo now.

Edit:
Of course, it's now the 15th, so I guess I'm watching online. So thanks for the links then.

By the way, in case anyone was wondering, Bush is planning to leave eight million poor kids without health care because it would raise a tax on cigarettes and he's still prepared to veto any proposal that doesn't let him kill our soldiers in Iraq indefinitely.

Boy, I sure can't wait to see what else he does over the next eighteen months.

C'mon, it's all for the greater good.
Don't you see?

OK, here's a question. People keep saying we can't impeach because it'll lead to President Cheney. But isn't it entirely possible to get them both out, especially since the scandal with the most traction, the Scooter Libby thing, can be traced back to him as well? Spiro Agnew went down in the wake of Watergate, even if it was on unelated charges.

Theoretically, it is possible to impeach both the President and the VP at the same time. It's never been done, but it's in the Constitution. To pull that off, however, it would require a unified Congress the likes we haven't seen in a couple decades.

For the safety and security of every American and for the future of a "checks and balances" democratic system, it's absolutely our responsibility to future generations to impeach both these pieces of $#!# right f&^%$*& now!

The "president Cheney" thing is bullshit anyway, as it's not like Cheney's had anything stopping him from doing whatever the fuck he wants for the last 6 years, and any VP who takes over after a successful impeachment would have to tread very lightly indeed. Especially if he himself was involved in the scandal that spurred it, as Cheney almost certainly would be.

The actual thing that is preventing impeachment is a severe lack of Congressional sack, and the Dems not wanting to have to handle any bags of shit (most notably Iraq) that the GOP filled up. Better to leave those bags in Bush's lap than get any on themselves before the election.

Of course they should impeach Bush; it's their job. This DoJ thing and the on-again, off-again Executive status of his and Cheney's offices when it comes to whether the White House is responding to subpoenas or sidestepping the legal system should be more than enough to have Bush and Cheney both removed from office. Never mind the whole conquering Iraq thing.

Even the guy who wrote the legal document calling for Clinton's impeachment thinks Bush should be thrown out on his pampered Nantucket ear. Bush and Cheney are doing things the President and Vice-President of the United States are not supposed to do with and to the US system of government, and should be removed. It's what impeachment is for.

You mean Kuwait. I am saying "one of the reasons" Osama Bin Laden attacked us is because the US Military was based in Saudi Arabia maintaining sanctions on Iraq. He hated having the "infidel army" in the Holy Land. Do you remember the 1996 U.S. Air Force Barracks bomb in Saudi Arabia? We have been generating terrorism against us for a long time by supporting a region of despots so we could buy their oil and have stability in the Middle East.

Boy, you jump to conclusions pretty quickly. That is not nor ever has been any part of my rationale, but huge balls are necessary if you want to carry out a tough task like overthrowing a dictatorship and bringing democracy to the Middle East.

Whatever you do, don't join or let any of your children, close friends or relatives join the fire department. They might die fighting a fire. Why risk that danger when the odds are low your house will catch on fire.

I was enlisted from '90 to '98.

I have answered this at least once before in one of these threads, but yes. He was one of the worst dictators in the world and the US military already had experience defeating his army in the recent past so he was a logical choice. His long list of UN violations and his breaking the cease-fire agreement with the US pointed to him as well.

You can't tackle every atrocity in the world at once. You have to work slowly to the goal of a better world.

I wish Noah drank the Jim Jones Kool-Aid instead of the Republican kind.

The sad thing is that there are many reasonable Republicans and conservatives (the kind who actually are conservative, instead of just using the word). They can see what's become of their party, and want it to change. People like Noah, however, seem to have bought into it as if it's more a religion than a political party. They have to believe, and repeat to others, every single platitude spouted by their leaders as if it's absolute truth, without ever once questioning or thinking for themselves. The fact that so much of it is so transparently false never enters their minds, because to question any part of it would cause holes to appear in the rest of it. This is called fanaticism, and it's what's kept the Catholic Church in business for hundreds of years.

Do you think we will engender less terrorism by occupying a country to control its oil and force our version of democracy (by the corporations for the corporations) on a newly "liberated" nation of people?

What's democratic about dictating to a "sovereign" parliament that they must sign an oil law that gives foreign corporations control of that "sovereign" country's rich oil fields? This is the only major benchmark Bush/Cheney is waiting for. How do you explain that?

That's very different. Bush 41 got in and out. There was no occupation. I'm not belittling whatever you might have gone through, but you have to admit today's military in Iraq (and contractors for that matter) have a whole different flavor of hell to deal with. What stops you from reenlisting?



With all the corruption investigations, institutionalized brutality (abu ghraib, gitmo, etc.), suspension of habeas corpus and solid evidence about this administration's collusion with business interests to defraud taxpayers at home and abroad, what makes you so certain we're the country that should be spreading this "better world"?

Will these magic democracies be awesome like yours is, invading countries on false pretenses and torturing its prisoners? Will it be okay if they are populated with apologist scum like Noah?

It's not just that, it's that some think it is good and right for your country to do these things. It's different from believing the lies but not accepting them as an excuse for Bush Admin behaviour. People can be ignorant, or evil, or both. Ignorance can be removed, at least.

Quite the opposite. I am actually a pro-war Democrat like Lieberman (who is now Independant). On the Iraq issue, I have been forced to disagree with the party I normally vote for to support the position of the opposite party because of my own personal views on the subject.

I never tried to compare my time in the military to now. Everytime is different for better or worse. You asked me a question about enlistment and I answered. (You were maybe hoping to label me as a Chicken Hawk ) I offered my service to the country after high school, served my time, got out and now have a career. I respect those who have followed after me in the service and support them. It is not enlistment that is winning or losing this war, it is public & political support for the cost in lives & money to achieve the goal.

I hope you are not saying I can't have an opinion in support of the war because I am not currently enlisted in the military. That's like saying you can't support reducing global warming if you own a car or use electriticy in your house.

Man. I wish I was lucky enough to know for a fact that the failure in Iraq was the fault of everyone else but me. Granted, I'm pretty sure as is, but I'd really like to know.

Not to be alarmist, but your name *has* been brought up in the meetings.

Just sayin.....

"The President Has Accepted Ethnic Cleansing"

From here.

I love Hersh. While the rest of the news media is sitting on its collective hands and reporting on missing white girls, he's pissing into the wind trying to talk about what's really going on. It's a shame that nobody's going to pay attention to what he's saying until it's all history.

Read the rest here.

That's downright evil. This term can't be over soon enough.

This is definitely the strongest camel's back I've ever seen. What is there, like, fifty-bajillion straws on this fucker? And it JUST. WON'T. BREAK.

Clearly these guys need to be caught with their dicks in someone's mouths for the American public to get "outraged" enough to run them out on a rail. Come on all you honeypots, get to work saving our country!

This has reached the level of bad action movie villainy. How could this possibly really be happening? All it needs is for the elections to be called off, and emergency powers invoked. Which, by the way, I'm not entirely ruling out actually happening.

Watch the preview here.

This is a must-watch.

Not only are Bill Moyers and Frontline really the only legitimate news source on networks anymore, but this is a particularly important time to shine a light on the covert power grab emanating from the White House considering the FISA battle currently underway. We all need to pay attention. This administration has served up a very hard lesson in what happens when the public it serves is kept in near total ignorance and misdirection.

Looks like an interesting enough program to force me to deal with my aversion to watching either he or Bush do anything short of beating each other to death with whiffle ball bats.

Frontline is one of those shows that's allowed me to at least retain some semblance of my sanity during this administration.

My local listing has this for tomorrow, instead of this evening as the article suggested. I autotuned this so I don't forget.

Jesus Christ, people. What's with all of the hate for a guy who's just expressing his opinion? I'm not saying I agree with everything he's said, but he (unlike a lot of other people here) hasn't resorted to being insulting or name-calling, he's just answering your questions or saying what he believes. Last time I checked people are allowed to have a different opinion without being belittled for it. It just makes your side of the argument look defensive and arrogant.

Just sayin'...I guess civil discussions in America are for pussies.

Fuck off.

Wow, not at all what I expected...Yeah, right.

Thanks for making my point.

Jack Bower! 9/11! Socialists at the gate!

So what part of the Constitution is that right written up in? Last time I checked, people were allowed to belittle other people's opinions.

It's the mindset of the crying vagina moderate. Every opinion, no matter how ill-informed, backwards, and damaging to the country, should be given equal credit.

Fuck that. Noah is a stupid fucking cunt that wouldn't know what democracy actually means if a terrorist shoved the Magna Carta up his fucking ass. His kind of thinking is so moronic, so ignorant, so fucking VILE that it shouldn't be given any credence whatsoever. It's the reason we're in this mess, why thousands of U.S. soldiers and Iraqi civilians will never get a chance to vote in any precious democracy ever again.

So, I say again, Fuck off. Fuck the fucking fuck off with your bullshit about how mean we are to ignorant piles of shit.

I wanna have Brad's wide-stance love-child.

if you look at the history of this thread roomatefloyd joined the same month Noah posted in this thread....coincidence, I think not. Just some douche that needed to create a faux comrade to defend himself.

If I'm a douche, then you're my douchebag. And no, I'm not Noah. Nice try, though.

Whatever. You get called on being an asshole and revert to a 10 year old who just learned what bad words are. If I'm crying about anything its that pieces of shit like you are allowed to even exist. This is the kind of shit that results in every political discussion devolving into a pissing contest. If you think somebody's wrong, then give legitimate reasons why instead of just being a dick. I don't think you can do it, because anytime you get called on your bullshit you take it personal. Now YOU fuck the fucking fuck off, cocksweat.

Which word didn't you understand? Fuck or off?

He's an intellectual. You'll have to perform an extensive 2 hours set of modern dance whose theme is "Fuck Off" to start have his attention.

You can't have a reasonable conversation with someone who makes up reasons why you believe what you do, argues that it's okay to do things because George Bush says so, believes whatever he was told last is true, and wants dissent to be officially quashed. Nor can you have a reasonable conversation with someone who thinks wars are decided not by strategy and tactics, but by happy thoughts.

Noah's an apologist for the scum Bush, nothing more. Reason is wasted on him because it's not a factor in forming his opinion. Pay him no heed.

So who was Floyd before he got banned last time? Any guesses?

LMAO

THAT'S something I've never been accused of being. Thanks!

Never been banned, hotshot. I'm not Noah or anybody else, just me. I'm not going to argue about this stuff anymore.

And Seabass (assuming your comment was directed at me), there's a big difference between dissent and just being an asshole. I never said that Bush was right or anyone else on here was either. I just said it seemed like instead of being an actual discussion this was just an excuse to sling insults at somebody you disagree with. My mistake, because OBVIOUSLY I was wrong. None of that happening here.

You're having a lot of difficulty with the whole "fucking off" concept.

Sorry, I'm "dissenting".