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post #51 of 58
Well, one thing that overly reductive God-in-gaps argument tend to overlook is that there is scientific theory that postulates how something could have come from nothing. I can't say I fully understood it when I was reading it, and it was extremely speculative, but to imply that science is completely silent on the issue is misleading at best. Really, though, it all comes down to this:

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Originally Posted by Zhukov
Even given a more complete materialist understanding of the universe, science could never answer the question why. Considering this question demands stepping into the metaphysical muck.
It doesn't seem like it should be all that hard to say that science is concerned with questions of how, and religion questions of why, and leave it more or less at that. But unfortunately, we still have guys like Comfort and Cameron pop up from time to time claiming religion can do both and creating conflicts where there aren't any. The good news is positions like theirs have been drifting toward the fringe for some time, and the idea that science and religion are irreconcilible seems to be losing ground just everywhere but Kansas.
post #52 of 58
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Originally Posted by Zhukov
The issues raised by Information Theory and Evolution in that piece strike me as well worth considering. I'm not trying to convert anybody (convert them to what? the Church of the Wasteland?) - I just think it's intellectually incomplete to dismiss either side in this debate out of hand.
Varghese was railing about the incomprehensibility of an uncreated universe only to explain it with something equally incomprehensible- I was simply pointing out how silly that is. I have no qualms with the incomprehensible. I just don't have the time or energy to invent other incomprehensible variables to balance out the equation in my brain.

Hehehe, church of the wasteland. I'd join, if just for the free jet.
post #53 of 58
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Originally Posted by Chris Wood
This discussion is educational and all, but did Cameron win or what? Split decision?
Part I
Part II
post #54 of 58
It might as well be a spilt decision. Cameron and Comfort come off as stupid and totally unknowledgable in anything but the bible. The atheists come off as a couple of snide teenagers who decided that they're gonna be atheists last week over a couple of drinks.

The "proof" on the other hand is pretty much what you'd expect it to be.
post #55 of 58
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Originally Posted by TheCynic
BEHOLD THE ATHEIST'S NIGHTMARE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4

i just wish i knew how kirk responded, i'm sure it would somehow, some way, make it even funnier.
So...do coconuts disprove the existence of God?
post #56 of 58
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Originally Posted by Werewolf Girl
So...do coconuts disprove the existence of God?
No, coconuts only prove that God also created pointy rocks. It's pineapples that disprove the existence of God. Pineapples.
post #57 of 58
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Bill Moyers to run a series called "A Brief History of Disbelief" in May.
post #58 of 58
So I didn't get a chance to watch before the links were taken down. Was it really just a big jerk-off?
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