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post #1 of 18
5/7/07 at 11:05pm
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A friend of mine just started a job doing door to door solicitation of an entertainment book. She gets to keep half of what she sells per book (about $17). Since she sold more than they expected they promoted her to the next "step" on her first day. I am both terribly cynical and highly protective of her. I get the feeling that something is not quite legit or that the rug will be pulled out on her. However, I don't want to burst her bubble unnecessarily or be a naysayer. So what are the angles on this or am I worrying too much? Help me chewers!
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post #2 of 18
5/7/07 at 11:07pm
She'll end up on the Criterion release of Saleswoman soon if she keeps it up.
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post #3 of 18
5/8/07 at 12:20am
What book is it?
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post #4 of 18
5/8/07 at 12:24am
Pyramid and/or multi-level marketing scheme. She's good to go if she got in early. She's wasting her time or getting screwed if she's at the bottom of the pile.
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post #5 of 18
5/8/07 at 1:47am
Who hired, or is paying, your friend?
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post #6 of 18
5/8/07 at 6:18am
What exactly is this next "step"? Is it that they allow her the honour of fellating the grand entertainment-book Poobah?
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post #7 of 18
5/8/07 at 11:31am
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She answered an ad in the newspaper. The company is something like Wexford marketing. I looked it up online but couldnt really find anything about it. The book is one of those yearly entertainment books with discounts on restaurants, bowling etc.
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post #8 of 18
5/8/07 at 12:24pm
Pyramid scheme.
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post #9 of 18
5/8/07 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by Straight Edge
She answered an ad in the newspaper. The company is something like Wexford marketing. I looked it up online but couldnt really find anything about it. The book is one of those yearly entertainment books with discounts on restaurants, bowling etc.
I applied for the same exact type thing when I was moving to the Westchester/King of Prussia area of PA in '98. Newspaper ad said marketing as well and I found out it was to sell restaraunt coupon books door to door. I went for an interview/ride along (all college aged guys, including the founder) to see if it was something I would like to do (I needed a job badly). It was obvious we didn't have a solicitor's license (which was brought up by threatening angry people as they opened the door). The guy I was with said if the cops ever showed up, we should drop our shit and run like hell. Nothing shady about that operation.

Needless to say, I told them it wasn't for me. But the young guy in charge seemed to make a decent buck based on the car he was driving and the suit he was wearing.
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post #10 of 18
5/8/07 at 2:55pm
Is she required to put any money down? Does she have to shell out for the product in advance, or pay for any "certification" or training courses? Is there any contract that binds her to a term of employment or includes any noncompete language? In other words, if she never sells another book, can she walk away scott free and in the black, with the money already in her pocket?
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post #11 of 18
5/8/07 at 3:10pm
This smacks of a scam/Pyramid Scheme.

I know what these books are. They're called "Entertainment Books" and the idea is that they have coupons to restaurants, car rentals, movie theaters, etc. My dad bought one back in '94 I believe. These books come up from time to time and to me I think they're useless unless you somehow use every coupon in the book.
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post #12 of 18
5/8/07 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by Multiple Miggs
Is she required to put any money down? Does she have to shell out for the product in advance, or pay for any "certification" or training courses? Is there any contract that binds her to a term of employment or includes any noncompete language? In other words, if she never sells another book, can she walk away scott free and in the black, with the money already in her pocket?
these are all questions I still need to find out without looking like im checking up on her too much. She did have to get a solicitor's license but that was apparently paid for my the company. She does keep telling me how the head guy makes $300,000 a year which I think is weird for her to know (and keep prattling on about) on only her first day.
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post #13 of 18
5/8/07 at 6:40pm
Okay, here's the deal, I'm not here to waste your time. Okay, I certainly hope you're not here to waste mine, so I'm gonna keep this short. Become an employee of this firm, you will make your first million within 3 years. Okay, I'm gonna repeat that, you will make a million dollars, within three years of your first day of employment at J.T. Marlin. There's no question as to whether you become a millionaire working here. The only question is, how many times over. You think I'm joking....I am not joking. I am a millionaire. It's a weird thing to hear, right? Lemme tell ya, its a weird thing to say: I am a fucking millionaire. And guess how old I am...27, you know what that makes me here? A fucking senior citizen. This firm is entirely comprised of people your age, not mine. Lucky for me, I happen to be very fucking good at my job or I'd be out of one. You guys are the new blood. You are the future swinging dicks of this firm. Now you all look money hungry and that's good. Anybody who tells you that money is the root of all evil, doesn't fucking have any. They say money can't buy happiness. Look at the fucking smile on my face! Ear to ear baby! You want details, fine. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up? (slides keys across long table) I have a ridiculous house at the South Fork. I have every toy you could possibly imagine. And best of all, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible, let me tell you what's required. You are required to work your fucking ass off at this firm. We want winners here, not pikers. A piker walks at the bell. A Piker asks how much vacation time you get in the first year. Vacation time? People come to work at this firm for one reason, to become filthy rich, that's it. We're not here to make friends, we're not saving the fucking manatees here guys. You want vacation time, go teach third grade at a public school.

Okay, first three months at the firm are as a trainee, you'll make 150 dollars a week. After you've done training, you take the series seven, you pass that, you become a junior broker and you're opening accounts for your team leader. You open forty accounts you start working for yourself, the sky's the limit. A word or two about being a trainee, your friends, parents, other brokers, they're gonna give you shit about it, it's true, a 150 a week, that's not a lot of money. Pay them no mind. You need to learn this business and this is the time to to do it. Once you pass the test, none of that's gonna matter. Your friends are shit. You tell em you made 25 grand last month they're not gonna fucking believe you. Fuck them! Fuck 'em! Parents don't like the life you lead. Fuck your mom and dad. See how it feels when you're making their fucking Lexus payments. Now go home and think about it. Think about whether or not this is really for you. If you decide that it isn't, listen, it's nothing to be embarrassed about. This is not for everyone. But if you really want this, you call me on Monday and we'll talk. Just don't waste my fucking time......Okay, that's it.
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post #14 of 18
5/8/07 at 6:48pm
The professionalism is staggering.
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post #15 of 18
5/8/07 at 6:59pm
The idea that someone is giving the speech from Boiler Room to motivate people selling Entertainment Books with Olive Garden coupons in it makes me smile.

It's probably more like David Koechner's character in WAITING...

Dan: All right. I really only have one thing I wanna talk about today, and that's teamwork. When the dinner rush hits and things start to get hectic, you all have a tendency to start yelling and screaming at one another. That's just dumb and senseless, 'cause you're only gonna be hurting yourselves. Let's think about it. If you upset the hostess, she's not gonna seat you. If you upset the busboys, they're not gonna care if your table's ready. If you upset the cooks, they're not gonna care if your food's taking too long. I think you're all great waiters and waitresses. And you should be able to rely on one another when you're in the weeds. Remember, gang. The difference between
ordinary and extraordinary is that little extra. All right. That's all I have for you today. Let's have a great shift.

Oh, uh, push the fish. It's about to turn.


Dan: We need to seize the day. Be enthusiastic.
Floyd: Yeah! Carpe deez nuts! God I can't wait to quit this job!
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post #16 of 18
5/8/07 at 7:07pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by DARKMITE8
The idea that someone is giving the speech from Boiler Room to motivate people selling Entertainment Books with Olive Garden coupons in it makes me smile.
It was Straight Edge's comment about his friend knowing that the head guy makes $300K that made me think of it.
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post #17 of 18
5/9/07 at 12:25am
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Well I found out she did indeed sign some fucking contract. Any speculation as to what awful things that entails?!?!?!
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post #18 of 18
5/10/07 at 6:17pm
Yipe. If she wants out you may be able to find a plaintiff's attorney who can write a letter. If it is a shady pyramid scheme or anything similar they may be happy to let her walk as opposed to risking the entire thing in a fight.
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