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post #1 of 21
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Ali film is coming...well, I guess there's no such thing as bad publicity.

Rush&Molloy:

Float Like a Butterfly,
Stink as a Comic

Parkinson's disease may have reduced his bellow to a whisper, but Muhammad Ali's mouth can still get him in trouble.

The 59-year-old former heavyweight champ stunned a gathering in Washington on Monday when he let loose with jokes guaranteed to offend just about everybody.

"What's the difference between a Jew and a canoe?" the boxer asked at the D.C. premiere of "Ali." "A canoe tips!"

The crowd, which included a number of Jewish people, including "Ali" actor Ron Silver, laughed nervously.

But Ali wasn't through.

"A black, a Puerto Rican and a Mexican are in a car," he went on. "Who's driving?"

Punch line: "The police!"

Blacks and Hispanics in the crowd also paid Ali the courtesy of laughing.

The Washington Post's Lloyd Grove, who was at the party, reports that Ali's fourth wife, Lonnie, tried to head off his routine as he took the mike — pleading: "No, no, no, don't."

Ali's rep Sue Carls admitted his humor was "politically incorrect," but argued: "These are not new jokes. Muhammad tells them all the time, because he likes to make people laugh, and he shocks people to make a point. He always manages to defuse any situation that seems overly reverential. Following the film, everybody was paying tribute to him and he was in a good mood."

By the way, the premiere was a fund-raiser for an $80 million center Ali hopes to build in Louisville to teach "multicultural appreciation."
post #2 of 21
He only got away with it because he's famous.. and oh yeah BLACK. That's my problem with it, not the jokes which made me chuckle though I'm not racist. If a white dude had said it look out!
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
Woah, scary posts in here.
post #4 of 21
Anyone who would dismiss Ali as a dick knows absolutely nothing about the man.

Ali has been known to make off-color jokes in the past to poke fun at stereotypes; that he made one at the expense of his own ethnicity should clue you in as to his none-too-subtle intent.

The writer of this story is the gossip columnist for the NY Daily News, and makes a living by taking celebrity comments out of context.

Case closed. No controversy.
post #5 of 21
No doubt, Ali was a great, if not the greatest, boxer. He is a living legend. He means a lot to a lot of people.

Does this mean he is a great person? Nope.

And Verbal, since you thought those jokes were actually funny, I'm thinking about getting this for you for Christmas - to tickle your discerning funny bone:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...939560-4491211
post #6 of 21
That ain't my point, Verbs. Those jokes weren't funny. I'll admit, I do not think they are appropriate, but what the fuck. Those jokes are old and boring, like 5th grade locker room boring - and Ali tells them in front of a crowd? At least he could float some original material, or something a little newer. And then you say you thought they were funny? How many Gallagher videos do you own?
post #7 of 21
Ali faced more racism than any of us will ever know and to quote James Woods in Cop -"Just because a person uses a few words to lighten a subject does not mean that subject was taken lightly."

It was humor more appropriate for a friar's roast than a public appearance, but I wouldn't read too much into it. When Ali's wife asked him to hold back, he probably said "fuck 'em if they can't take a joke."
post #8 of 21
It seems that when people poke fun at their own ethnicity and religion, it is considered ok, and light-hearted humour. Yet when someone tells a joke concerning another ethnic group, or belief, he is criticised for being racist and offensive.

Judging by the article, i don't think Ali meant anything malicious or nasty about the jokes...he was just trying to get a few laughs. As was said before, if people can't look at themselves and laugh, then we have a problem.

Some might think the jokes were unfunny, but surely we can all agree that he didn't mean anything bad by them?!
post #9 of 21
For Xmas I got a 200 page book, Muhammad Ali The Unseen Archives.

Mostly black and white photos, pretty sweet.
post #10 of 21
Well said Prankster. You just saved me from writing a very long post.
post #11 of 21
Merry Christmas.

[This message has been edited by Adam Warren (edited 12-25-2001).]
post #12 of 21
****** ****** ****** . Cracker cracker cracker. Spic spic spic spic. Words by themselves are not hurtful. In fact realizing that these horrendously offensive terms are just words that do not affect my opinions of any one individual person, or group of people, takes the power away from said words.

Lenny Bruce anyone? If Ali was working at that satirical level, then God Bless him. If he was trying to just bring levity to the race relations in this country, then fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.

Ah, whatever. I'll get crucified for this post. But I tell you, words by themselves don't do shit. Action does.

Sorry to use this example, but I can call bin Laden a fucking monkey all I want. Who gives a fuck? He had a hand in ramming two planes into the twin towers, killing 3000 fucking people. Sorry I'm stating the obvious.

So who gives a flying F what I call him? Or anybody else? I'm not taking a bat to anyone's head. Words are words. Fuck it. I'm tired as hell.
post #13 of 21
Oh wow, man. As if to prove my point about the over reaction to words, I just realized my last post was automatically censored. Beautiful.
post #14 of 21
Damn straight it was. You try owning a website that'd show up on web searches for words like those and realize how simple an answer this is.
post #15 of 21
Good point. I was listening to a CD today - Bill Hicks - anyone remember him? He sure knew the difference, although most of his humour wasn't racial based, it was sure to offend some people, but there was a message behind it.
post #16 of 21
Nick, that's fine. You are better off that that word is automatically censored. Devilf is right - there are morons out there who don't understand that we are all the same...
post #17 of 21
Jackie Mason.

You also described Lenny Bruce as well.
post #18 of 21
Man, I didn't think I was that old. Any one who lived in the 70's always heard tasteless jokes like these. Ali always made these jokes. I rember hearing stories how he and Cosell would tell each other these tastless jokes. If any of you didn't know Cosell was Jewish. Like many people of his age jokes like this is the norm. Don't kid your self your parents still make these types of jokes.

Clarence Beaks was right in saying that if you call him a dick you don't know any thing about him.

Ali has to be the first famous Muslim in this country if not the world. He is one of the few athletes who practiced what he preached.



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post #19 of 21
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post #20 of 21
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Morrissey:
Thing is to me, it doesn't matter how any one of us might feel about this kind of humour. That isn't really relevant is it? It's about responsibility to others in the community, surely?

The good thing about participating in a forum like this, is that you get to hear alot of people's arguments, for and against a particular topic. Aside from some bitchiness, which again seemed to creep into the forum earlier, there has been alot of good points raised on this Ali subject.

I for one posted a message a few days ago, on the subject. But having read Morrissey's contribution recently, i am ready to admit that i think i was wrong.

It seems that some of us are mature enough to be able to laugh these jokes off. Especially, when it is apparent that they are not meant in malice. However, that does not mean that everyone can. And indeed, as this discussion on the forum wears on, it is more and more obvious that such jokes do stir some controversy amongst us.

But Ali has a responsibility as a role model to be more cautious with the example that he sets. Alot of people look up to him, and admire him; and as such, maybe it was not the wisest thing to tell jokes which could potentially offend, publicly.
post #21 of 21
Man those are some good jokes, and yes i agree Ali is a dick every thing i have sen documentries and all prove it ...heres one from Jay in the deleted scene of Dogma


i'll take a coconut to your grave with a straw in it and stick the straw in the ground .. why you ask cause your lips will reach it ! ( infamous Fat Albert scene )


i bet if that scene was in the full length movie some shit would have hit the fan, and Kevin Smith would be up on a hate crime

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i'd do it myslef but i threw my back out hummping your mom last night ..snoogins
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