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post #1 of 41
Thread Starter 
I know a lot of people here talk about how they would never have kids and all that jive but I am looking for some input from everyone here. I will give you a little bit of an idea of where I am coming from on this. I have only had 4 close friends in my life. One was killed in Iraq, one just joined the military, another I don't talk to because his g/f has turned him into a man-bitch and the last just got his g/f of about 3 months pregnant. Five days after my friend left for the Army and my other friend told us about the pregnancy my wife and I found out it is nearly impossible for us to have kids. The only way is with a lot of money, that could mean adoption or revolutionary type drugs. The reason for this thread is that I don't have anyone to really talk to and I really don't want to speak to my friend who is having the kid again, ever. What would you guys do in a situation like this?
post #2 of 41
Why don't you want to talk to the friend?
post #3 of 41
I'm really sorry dude. That's a fuckin horrible situation. If you don't mind my asking, why don't you want to speak to your friend who's having the kid?
post #4 of 41
Yeah, I'm not sure which point you want advice on. If it's about your friend then you're going to have to give a little more information about why you don't want to talk to him. Or do you want to talk about your wife not being able to have children? What do the two have to do with each other? Is it just that he's going to have a child with his girlfriend and you and your wife can't?
post #5 of 41
Thread Starter 
Mainly that they are having a kid and we can't. They don't really have any other friends because his g/f is from out of state and they talk to us about everything that is going on with it. My wife gets upset everytime and my friend acts like he is sorry but we won't say anything to his g/f and she has no intention of even trying to be a fit mother. Sorry if I am not being very clear, I am pretty upset still myself. Also my friend has the initiative and drive of some of the most extreme potheads I have ever met, so talking to him is not unlike speaking with sticks or maybe squirrels. To add fuel to the fire he is currently going through a police academy and it is kind of turning him into a jerk, although the jerkiness might be unrelated.
post #6 of 41
While I feel for you and your wife in this situation, I don't see how it's any of your friends fault. I'm sure your emotional about this, but taking it out on him seems kind of petty and childish.
post #7 of 41
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Originally Posted by Dabaker1983
he is currently going through a police academy and it is kind of turning him into a jerk, although the jerkiness might be unrelated.
I think Jerk 101 is one of the first classes you take in a police academy.
post #8 of 41
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Originally Posted by Dabaker1983
Mainly that they are having a kid and we can't.
Boo hoo hoo.
post #9 of 41
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Originally Posted by Chavez
I think Jerk 101 is one of the first classes you take in a police academy.
Nope, Tazing Minorities 101 and 102 are first, then Jerk 101.
post #10 of 41
Thread Starter 
Never mind, thanks anyways.
post #11 of 41
I don't know what you were expecting. I could have been mean and wrote that you were acting petty and childish(less).

No one here is going to sugarcoat it for you. You have one friend left, do you really want to destroy that friendship out of jealousy?
post #12 of 41
FUCKING ADOPT FOR GOD'S SAKE. THE WORLD DOES NOT NEED PRODUCT DEVELOPED FROM YOUR SEED. It's really getting to the point where when people have babies I think to myself "Well, that's rude."
post #13 of 41
Thread Starter 
Sorry everyone, I was pretty drunk when I did this last night and I didn't give you much to go on. The reason I don't want to talk to my friend is that he doesn't really seem to care. I'm not talking about not being friends with him anymore, I am saying I don't want to speak to him about this specific thing. We have been friends since Elementary school and I don't plan on ending that because he is having a kid. As far as adopting goes, I am pretty sure I mentioned that in my first post. It is just as expensive as the medicine though. I guess I titled the thread wrong because I really am looking more for a discussion about not being able to have kids. Again, I was drunk last night. At least I deal with my problems in a healthy way by drinking myself into a stupor.
post #14 of 41
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Originally Posted by Dabaker1983
I deal with my problems in a healthy way by drinking myself into a stupor.
You can't go wrong with this approach.
post #15 of 41
Dabaker, even if you and your wife could have a kid naturally, it's going to be expensive anyway (besides the procedure, you have to raise the kid, buy it clothes, food, toys, doctor's visits, get it ready for school, etc.). My advice, save up your cash for about a year or two, get a plan and budget together, and focus on adopting (figure if your wife got pregnant today, you'd still have about 9 months to get all this shit together. Besides, sadly, it's not like there'll be a shortage of kids to adopt a year or two from now). If you and your wife REALLY want to have a child and can deal with all the accompanying stuff that follows, that should be your mantra for the foreseeable future. Also, decide who's going to be home for the little tyke, and who'll be the breadwinner. Fuck nannys or pawning the kid off on your folks - biggest damn problem out there are parents who don't give a shit about their kids and what they're doing.
Also, consider adopting an older kid, not just a baby. By doing that, you eliminate all the attendant baby costs and issues, and shine some light and love into some deserving kid's life.
As to the friends thing - realize your friend has had his whole life change dramatically. I'm assuming he and his GF didn't plan on having a kid so soon, and chances are the relationship is going to crash and burn sooner or later. Use them as an example of what NOT to do. If anything, when the kid arrives, you and your wife can help them out and get some hands on training with a kid at the same time.
The solutions are there, you just have to work on them and be patient. Good luck.
post #16 of 41
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Originally Posted by Dabaker1983
Sorry everyone, I was pretty drunk when I did this last night and I didn't give you much to go on. The reason I don't want to talk to my friend is that he doesn't really seem to care. I'm not talking about not being friends with him anymore, I am saying I don't want to speak to him about this specific thing.
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The reason for this thread is that I don't have anyone to really talk to and I really don't want to speak to my friend who is having the kid again, ever.
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Mainly that they are having a kid and we can't.

Sometimes drinking brings out a persons true feelings. You're friend just found out he is going to have a baby with a girl he has only been dating for 3 months.

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Also my friend has the initiative and drive of some of the most extreme potheads I have ever met, so talking to him is not unlike speaking with sticks or maybe squirrels. To add fuel to the fire he is currently going through a police academy and it is kind of turning him into a jerk, although the jerkiness might be unrelated.
Sounds to me like your friend was trying to get his life in order and then Wham! His new girlfriend drops the pregnancy bombshell. What should he be more concerned with? Your problems or his? Quit being so fucking selfish.

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They don't really have any other friends because his g/f is from out of state and they talk to us about everything that is going on with it.
So your friend is trying to console with you(his only friend) about his situation and you're letting your own problems take precedence. Nice. It's not that he doesn't care about your situation it's that you are the only person he trusts or wants to talk to about this.
post #17 of 41
Thread Starter 
I don't know why I am still defending myself to you guys but I really don't think I am the evil ass you make me out to be.
I have know this girl is pregnant for about 2 weeks now and have talked to both her and my friend on several occasions about them having a kid. The girl doesn't care about the kid, she won't take prenatal vitamins or cut back on work hours or even stop drinking. I have sat and listened to them complain and worry and I have tried to offer help. Last night I was talking to my friend and I brought up the fact that Monica (my wife) and I would get upset when they would talk about it because of our own problems. He told me he did not want to talk about it. I then got drunk and posted this thread.
This afternoon I got together with my friend because I was still kind of upset. He blew up on me. He told me he didn't give a shit about my problems and left.
Now based on what I posted earlier I understand why you guys think I am an asshole. What I don't understand is why he is so pissed at me. I didn't say anything to him before last night and when I talked to him this morning he knew why I wanted to talk to him. I did not say anything besides talking with him about his future kid upsets my wife and I because we can't have one. I didn't ask him to stop or anything. I just wanted to let him know.
post #18 of 41
Well the basic problem here is that when a couple's about to have a kid, they're going to talk about it. A lot. For your wife to get upset every time they talk about it (especially if they're your only friends) is beyond fucking ridiculous.
post #19 of 41
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or even stop drinking...
Sounds like we'll be seeing them on COPS soon, so we'll have a better idea where you're coming from.
post #20 of 41
Thread Starter 
How is it so ridiculous though. I mean we just found out that we can't have a kid, possibly ever, and they won't be there for us when we need them even though we are for them. I mean it isn't like my wife gets upset in front of them but it would be nice if they at least tried to have some sympathy.
post #21 of 41
Ok, so they're the ones acting selfish. Are we supposed to read your mind and figure out these details for ourselves?
post #22 of 41
Honestly, I think it has very little to do with you. Try see it from his POV. The guy sounds like he just got his life flushed down the crapper - he's having a kid with someone he's been dating for only 3 months, and from what you said she doesn't sound like much of a catch either. So he needs to vent. A lot. Now here you are telling him that his venting is bothering your wife. He probly just got pissed off and said some stuff he didn't mean.

And yeah, maybe he's not showing you a lot of sympathy. But to him, his problems are urgent. Like... 9 months urgent.
post #23 of 41
Thread Starter 
I apologize for not being clear. You might not believe it but I was drunk last night and I do tend to have a problem expressing myself correctly. That could be the reason for having so few friends. I do admit I am jealous of them even if they really don't want the kid. I would also like to bring up the fact that my friend is not nearly as bad as his g/f, he just kind of bows to her every whim.
post #24 of 41
Thread Starter 
I am kind of surprised you guys are still giving me a fair shot. Normally on these boards no one lets up until the person freaks out or leaves.
post #25 of 41
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Originally Posted by Quarant
Honestly, I think it has very little to do with you. Try see it from his POV. The guy sounds like he just got his life flushed down the crapper - he's having a kid with someone he's been dating for only 3 months, and from what you said she doesn't sound like much of a catch either. So he needs to vent. A lot. Now here you are telling him that his venting is bothering your wife. He probly just got pissed off and said some stuff he didn't mean.

And yeah, maybe he's not showing you a lot of sympathy. But to him, his problems are urgent. Like... 9 months urgent.

Exactly.
post #26 of 41
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Originally Posted by Dabaker1983
How is it so ridiculous though. I mean we just found out that we can't have a kid, possibly ever, and they won't be there for us when we need them even though we are for them. I mean it isn't like my wife gets upset in front of them but it would be nice if they at least tried to have some sympathy.
Y'know, that's terrible and all, but adoption is a possibility for you and your wife - it might take a while, but, judging from your screen name, you're fairly young. You've got some time. As for your buddy, assuming abortion or adoption is not something he and his (rather new) girlfriend want to consider, his life just drastically changed in a fairly disturbing way. He's having a kid with a woman he barely knows, and one who's apparently dim-witted enough to not care about the baby's welfare. I can see why he might not consider your wife's unease to be all that pressing in light of that.

Now, if your friend was constantly celebrating a happy, healthy pregnancy with a level-headed woman he loved, you and your wife might have some right to politely ask them to downplay it. But I doubt this guy's celebrating. I can't imagine he's bringing up his problems to rub them in your face. He probably WISHES he had your luck with fertility at the moment.

Oh, yeah. Posting drunk is never an excuse for writing dumb things.
post #27 of 41
Thread Starter 
You are right DaveB. The weird thing is that even though they both act like they don't care at all, half the time the can't wait to tell us that an ultrasound was done or talk about decorating the nursery. I think that upsets my wife the most. They don't want to be responsible and make sure the baby is healthy yet they want to talk about how excited they are for a doctors appointment or something. Also adoption is definitely something we are looking into. You're right I am young. I'm 23 and my wife is 21. She just graduated from college in December and started working full time for State Farm. We have plenty of time but we both really want to be young parents.
post #28 of 41
How many times have the four of you gotten together to discuss this in the two week period you've known about it? I mean, two weeks? Of course they're going to want to discuss it with the only two friends they have. One question, though. Does your wife like your friend?
post #29 of 41
Thread Starter 
Yeah she does like my friend. They are really close. We have talked to each other face to face probably 8 or 9 times I guess. On the phone or through email and text messages another few times. Pretty close to once a day if not a little more. We do really spend a lot of time together. My wife and I try to keep our friends as close as possible, like I have said before I lost a good friend a while back.
post #30 of 41
You must force your friends to visit the cracked, scorched wasteland that is your wife's uterus. Maybe they'll finally understand your pain when they're fleeing from a rampaging sandworm.
post #31 of 41
Arrakis. Dune. Desert Poontang.
post #32 of 41
Look, your friend is just under major stress. He probably said some things he didn't mean when you brought this up. The same thing you did when you started this thread.
post #33 of 41
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Amphibatron
Look, your friend is just under major stress. He probably said some things he didn't mean when you brought this up. The same thing you did when you started this thread.
You're right and even though it took a while I am glad I was able to get it out there. I do feel better.

Trust me though, there is no fear like seeing a vaginal sand worm grasping for your dick like a calf at a nipple.
post #34 of 41
Adopt.
post #35 of 41
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Originally Posted by Dabaker1983
You are right DaveB. The weird thing is that even though they both act like they don't care at all, half the time the can't wait to tell us that an ultrasound was done or talk about decorating the nursery. I think that upsets my wife the most. They don't want to be responsible and make sure the baby is healthy yet they want to talk about how excited they are for a doctors appointment or something. Also adoption is definitely something we are looking into. You're right I am young. I'm 23 and my wife is 21. She just graduated from college in December and started working full time for State Farm. We have plenty of time but we both really want to be young parents.

Well, if you have the best interest of your potential future kid at heart, maybe you need to grow up, get some more mature, stable parent-like responsible friends, quit binge drinking.....
post #36 of 41
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Originally Posted by Belethedheliel
you need to grow up, get some more mature, stable parent-like responsible friends, quit binge drinking.....
Now that's just crazy talk.
post #37 of 41
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Originally Posted by Chavez
Now that's just crazy talk.
You know me. Plumb loco.
post #38 of 41
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Originally Posted by Dabaker1983
adoption is definitely something we are looking into. You're right I am young. I'm 23 and my wife is 21. She just graduated from college in December and started working full time for State Farm. We have plenty of time but we both really want to be young parents.
I don't want to give you false hope, and I wouldn't pin much on it, but doctors have been known to be wrong - I know of two couples personally who were told they couldn't have kids who did.

Without trying, yet.

Obviously, if being a parent is important to you, I'd start saving for the adoption process right now, but just because a doctor goes "I sez so" doesn't mean it IS so. Of course, the world working the way it does, you'll probably adopt 3 beautiful children and THEN your wife will get knocked up.
post #39 of 41
Failing all that, you could always steal a kid. And to lure 'em, just erect a swing-set outside your house. Build it and they will come.
post #40 of 41
Thread Starter 
A guy I know offered to break into a hospital nursery and retrieve a kid for us. He is kind of a wuss though, so he probably wouldn't follow through.
post #41 of 41
Babies are overrated.
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