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Al Gore for President!

post #1 of 42
Thread Starter 
Time has excerpted his book, and this chapter encapsulates the elephant in the room that comes up in so many discussions on this forum.

Here's an example:
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Originally Posted by Al Gore
The potential for manipulating mass opinions and feelings initially discovered by commercial advertisers is now being even more aggressively exploited by a new generation of media Machiavellis. The combination of ever more sophisticated public opinion sampling techniques and the increasing use of powerful computers to parse and subdivide the American people according to "psychographic" categories that identify their susceptibility to individually tailored appeals has further magnified the power of propagandistic electronic messaging that has created a harsh new reality for the functioning of our democracy.

As a result, our democracy is in danger of being hollowed out. In order to reclaim our birthright, we Americans must resolve to repair the systemic decay of the public forum. We must create new ways to engage in a genuine and not manipulative conversation about our future. We must stop tolerating the rejection and distortion of science. We must insist on an end to the cynical use of pseudo-studies known to be false for the purpose of intentionally clouding the public's ability to discern the truth. Americans in both parties should insist on the re-establishment of respect for the rule of reason.
Gore needs to be President. Full excerpt is here.
post #2 of 42
I'd vote for the fucker in a heartbeat.
post #3 of 42
If he had this kind of passion and showed it in 2000 instead of coming off like a dick during the debates this guy would've been pres.

Well that and moronic people who can't understand to punch a card.

But really, word has it he's not going to run. Although anything is possible.
post #4 of 42
It's too bad that Gore was listening to all those stupid DC-insider DLC fucks during the 2000 election and their advice of staying away from Clinton (since the Monica/Impeachment was supposedly "bad") and don't be too "liberal" since Americans wouldn't like it.

God, I hope he runs.
post #5 of 42
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Originally Posted by EdHocken
If he had this kind of passion and showed it in 2000 instead of coming off like a dick during the debates this guy would've been pres.

Well that and moronic people who can't understand to punch a card.

But really, word has it he's not going to run. Although anything is possible.
Gore mentions a bit of this in this excerpt. I can't wait to read the book!

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Originally Posted by gore
As a college student, I wrote my senior thesis on the impact of television on the balance of power among the three branches of government. In the study, I pointed out the growing importance of visual rhetoric and body language over logic and reason. There are countless examples of this, but perhaps understandably, the first one that comes to mind is from the 2000 campaign, long before the Supreme Court decision and the hanging chads, when the controversy over my sighs in the first debate with George W. Bush created an impression on television that for many viewers outweighed whatever positive benefits I might have otherwise gained in the verbal combat of ideas and substance. A lot of good that senior thesis did me.
post #6 of 42
If there ever was a hint that Gore might be thinking of actually running its this book. I don't see how you address the issues he writes about as somebody other than POTUS.
post #7 of 42
Right now, it's Obama for me. If Gore puts his hat in, I'll drop Obama like dirty underwear.
post #8 of 42
Gore/Obama. That's a ticket to fap to.
post #9 of 42
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Al Gore for President!
Yes, please. There's not one guy (or girl) running right now that really does it for me.
post #10 of 42
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Originally Posted by Dranbon
Gore/Obama. That's a ticket to fap to.
I'd prefer Gore/Richardson but that's me.

Damn shame Richardson isn't getting more cred out there.
post #11 of 42
Al Gore jumping into the race would be the kiss of death for Obama. Progressive grassroot support? Gone to Gore. Hollywood fundraising support? Gone to Oscar Winner Gore. Anti-war support? Gone to outspoken-war-critic-from-the-beginning Gore. But he's the Mario Cuomo of this election. If Gore hasn't made his intentions crystal clear by the fall, people will tire of the "will-he-or-won't-he" plotline and move on to one of the declared candidates. The same goes with Fred Thompson on the Republican side.
post #12 of 42
I don't think he's running, but I've been wrong before. My one concern is that if he does run, you can say goodbye to all that nice candor and straight talk.
post #13 of 42
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If he did throw himself into this (and it would be an entirely unselfish act for the benefit of the country if he did choose to run, after the devastation of the 2000 debacle), I don't think he would suffer the same foibles as before. This is a man who has come through the woods.

I would frankly love to see Obama as his running mate. Can you imagine? But that Chris Rock routine does come to mind. I don't know enough about Richardson to weigh in on him one way or the other.

Pending Gore, Obama's my guy too, but the scary racial hatred in this country is so ubiquitous and intense that even if he did manage to get the nomination, he would be a walking target.
post #14 of 42
Well, at this point... anyone repping this country is a walking target. Gore/Obama would be stellar.
post #15 of 42
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny
My one concern is that if he does run, you can say goodbye to all that nice candor and straight talk.
See, that's my thought as well. I hate being so cynical, but that just seems to be the way it is. Having said that, I agree with what most people here are saying--if Gore does run, he has my vote. And at this point, if he doesn't run, I haven't made up my mind yet who I would vote for (between Obama, Edwards and Biden).
post #16 of 42
Why not VP again? Edwards/Gore might not entirely suck.
post #17 of 42
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
Why not VP again? Edwards/Gore might not entirely suck.
Flip it, and you've got my vote. But I'd vote Gore/Obama too.
post #18 of 42
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
Why not VP again? Edwards/Gore might not entirely suck.
One could suck while the other one blows.
post #19 of 42
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Originally Posted by The Nid Hog
Flip it, and you've got my vote. But I'd vote Gore/Obama too.
Gore would make a good president, but I don't think he'd win the election. I'm flattered that you'd vote for me, though. I'm all about habeus corpus and no torture and fewer aircraft carriers and more medical research and space exploration, I'm a Taurus, and I want to become a veterinarian because I love children.

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Originally Posted by Master Chuin
One could suck while the other one blows.
Oh, come on! Conservative or not, you can't possibly think that the Republicans are capable of running the US either conservatively or well at this point. Can you?
post #20 of 42
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
Oh, come on! Conservative or not, you can't possibly think that the Republicans are capable of running the US either conservatively or well at this point. Can you?
No kidding. In fact, how could you be a conservative and still be a Republican?
post #21 of 42
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/ma...in&oref=slogin

After reading this I almost think Al Gore would be unbeatable in an election from here on out. Almost.
post #22 of 42
He is unbeatable; that is, so long as he sticks to his guns. He's the only candidate with the clout to clean up eight years of Bush horseshit, and it's clear that more and more folks are coming to this conclusion.
post #23 of 42
He's the only potential candidate who seems to be interested in the future and not just in the now. And who's actually ready to propose solutions to the problems.

He is also far more charming than he was in 2000 and he could also sell his candidacy as a way for the american voters to correct the mistake they made when they let Dubya run their country.
post #24 of 42
Of course Gore's beatable. Any Democratic candidate is beatable, and will be defeated. The candidate doesn't matter, the issues don't matter. The Republicans will do exactly what they did in 2004, and it will work as well as it did in 2004: a vote for a Democrat is a vote for a terrorist; Democrats want to ban the bible and force their faggy heathen ways upon God-fearing Christians; Democratic Candidate X will be declared a traitor by some private organization that has no more to do with the Republican party than the Swifties (that members of this organization will receive rewards as Sam Fox did is, of course, sheer coincidence). And if that doesn't work they'll fuck up the electoral lists. And the press will be good dogs and provide a conduit for all this nonsense.

Does anyone really think things will be different this time around? Before you answer, think about how the Republicans tried to invent scandals involving Nancy Pelosi because they were sore over losing last year.
post #25 of 42
Thread Starter 
Here's another problem: corruptible voting machines and republican dirty tricks.

It's literally going to take a revolution, an "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!" moment.

But mastronikolas just made a great point: Gore is the only one out there who is really thinking about the future. He is the "morning in America" potential candidate, the only one.

Everybody's points about the necessity of his on-camera presence are true, but I think he's in a place where he could pull it off. He has already felt crushing defeat, he knows what it's like. He has nothing more to lose if he runs. If he went out there with the same sense of calm and not really "wanting it" vibe, and really projected that he's doing it for the country, not for himself, that could be his key to winning over voters.

It's like when you're in a position in which you don't really want a job but a company needs you so badly because you're really the only one who can do that job, it gives you a great sense of confidence to make sound, deliberate decisions and not become lost in indecision, eagerness to please and self-doubt. Gore is in that place. He's right, he knows he's right, and the facts are bearing themselves out for the world to see.

Look at the republican debates! They want Ron Paul out of there because he's the only one with a modicum of sense. The rest of them are so desperate to appear a certain way they come off as also-rans on The Bachelorette. McCain is melting down. Three of them don't "believe in" evolution. "Double Guantanamo"? Who are these people!

Yes, the election will be stolen but if the choice is clear to anyone paying attention, that could challenge the hacked vote count and eagerness of the networks to declare the GOP candidate the winner.
post #26 of 42
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
Of course Gore's beatable. Any Democratic candidate is beatable, and will be defeated. The candidate doesn't matter, the issues don't matter. The Republicans will do exactly what they did in 2004, and it will work as well as it did in 2004: a vote for a Democrat is a vote for a terrorist; Democrats want to ban the bible and force their faggy heathen ways upon God-fearing Christians; Democratic Candidate X will be declared a traitor by some private organization that has no more to do with the Republican party than the Swifties (that members of this organization will receive rewards as Sam Fox did is, of course, sheer coincidence). And the press will be good dogs and provide a conduit for all this nonsense.

I think a lot of the Conservative schtick is wearing thin. At least, I hope it is.
post #27 of 42
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Originally Posted by yt
Here's another problem: corruptible voting machines and republican dirty tricks.
So where did the Republicans steal an election through voting machine fraud in 2006? Didn't the Dems take both the House and Senate?

I'll still take Obama but would love to see Gore/Clinton debate eachother.
post #28 of 42
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You've just touched on the reason Alberto Gonzales has been firing US Attorneys. When you have an overwhelming majority and not as much centralized organization as in the presidential election of '04, it's much harder to steal an election. Because democrats won so many elections in '06, the Rove solution is to attempt to overturn those elections through fake voter fraud cases.

But I have to ask you:

Do you deny that voting machine irregularities and instances in which poor neighborhoods had to stand in line for 6 hours to vote on 3 machines while in nearby rich counties there are more machines than voters and no waiting? Or that republican organizers didn't call voters in poor black districts and give them a different voting day? Or that GOP flunkies registered voters in democratic areas and then destroyed those registrations? Negative vote counts on machines? Are you denying that all the voting machines in the country are run by two brothers with strong ties to Bush? Or that the voting commissioner in Ohio didn't pledge to give his state to Bush and follow through on that pledge?

When you look at the alleged voter fraud cases the GOP wanted prosecuted they're nothing. These genuine irregularities named above went virtually uninvestigated.
post #29 of 42
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Originally Posted by Chavez
I think a lot of the Conservative schtick is wearing thin. At least, I hope it is.
As the saying goes, no one ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the American public. I'd like to think you're right, that no one could possibly buy that guff again, but I can't understand why people did the first time. My model is flawed, and will make flawed predictions.
post #30 of 42
Gore was on Larry King tonight. He danced around the, 'are you gonna run' questions like Fred Astaire, but he did say he's considering it.

I think he'll run. He's still stinging from his miniscule loss in 2000. Guys like him don't take defeats that close without a looking for a comeback.

Gore/Obama would be an interesting ticket.
post #31 of 42
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
Of course Gore's beatable. Any Democratic candidate is beatable, and will be defeated. The candidate doesn't matter, the issues don't matter. The Republicans will do exactly what they did in 2004, and it will work as well as it did in 2004: a vote for a Democrat is a vote for a terrorist....
Well on a big enough scale, everyone's beatable. The mood in the country right now is with the Democrats by a large margin. I don't think that will change in any major way by election day. The Republican candidate pool is a pathetic sight, which doesn't help their cause any. As an aside, this is the first time I can remember in a long time when the GOP ran the same amount of candidates as the Dems.

The question on the other side is what kind of campaign will the Democratic nominee run? The wind is clearly behind Democratic sails, so there's a good chance even Hillary could win, if she's the campaigner that all the pundits are claiming her to be. That's not an endorsement, btw.

Same goes for Gore. He's been great as a non politician, but his campaigning skills are only Better than Kerry® which is not great. If he can maintain his mojo, and not get buried under the constant barrage of attacks, he should win handily. (The GOP is scared of Gore, so expect them to fight twice as hard.)
post #32 of 42
I'm reading Gore's THE ASSAULT ON REASON right now, and although I'm only on the third chapter, you don't write a book like this and not have some sort of political agenda. It systematically breaks down why this administration is failing us, and alternative ideas about what America should be doing now. If he doesn't run, I'd be a little pissed. With this book, he's proved, to me at least, that we need this man in public service again.
post #33 of 42
Gore is old news, we need new blood in the White House.
post #34 of 42
Mitt Romney has that Mr. Fantastic look going on at the temples. Bill O'Reilly tells me that's what Americans want in a President.

No, really.
post #35 of 42
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica
Gore is old news, we need new blood in the White House.
What does that even mean? People toss out that shit like a fanboy wanking to a Mary Jane statue. Or, you know, you could read the book and have some sort of logical critique, but that would damage your "off the cuff" cred.

I think Gore makes Republicans nervous. Good.
post #36 of 42
Wasn't this guy in the executive branch for 8 years? Didn't he already try to run for president?

I want to read the book, it sounds interesting, but I'm really sick of the same group of people running for the presidency. If you really don't have a problem with the same last names being associated with the presidency for the last couple of decades, if that doesn't bother you, then I guess I'm the only person that is truly bothered by this.
post #37 of 42
It doesn't bother me. Why should it? This isn't a beauty pageant. Al Gore is a very intelligent man and I like what he has to say. I'm not voting for Hillary in the primary because I don't like her record. It has nothing to do with her last name.

I don't think the Al Gore of 2007 is the same man of 2000. I've said it before earlier in the thread, if he does run, my one concern is that his candor will evaporate, and if that happens, I'll reconsider my vote. If he runs. But I'm not going to blow him off just because he's supposedly not new blood. After World War II, it took almost 50 years for a President to be elected that wasn't of that era. By those standards, Al Gore's practically a baby to the scene.
post #38 of 42
I'm not aware of beauty pageants were the same people or same families keep winning over and over.

We've had, since the 80s ...

*Bush, *Bush, Bush, Clinton/*Gore, Clinton/*Gore, Bush, Bush.

An argument can be made to have "citizen Gore" be more involved in the political arena, that sounds good. But he already had his shot at the White House (he's already been in it) and he blew it.

I also think the reason why people like Barack Obama have more buzz is because they seem new, and I think Gore would not fare better than him.
post #39 of 42
Nixon had his shot at the White House, blew it, and then won the presidency later.

So basically, we have every reason to think Gore will be as good as Nixon. No wait.
post #40 of 42
Historically speaking, presidents who lost the election but won the popular vote and then ran again, have won by huge margins. If Gore ran, it'd be his to lose. And that's not just because of statistics.
post #41 of 42
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica
Wasn't this guy in the executive branch for 8 years? Didn't he already try to run for president?

I want to read the book, it sounds interesting, but I'm really sick of the same group of people running for the presidency. If you really don't have a problem with the same last names being associated with the presidency for the last couple of decades, if that doesn't bother you, then I guess I'm the only person that is truly bothered by this.
Other than wanting this vague thing you call "new blood" in the White House I haven't seen a single substantive reason for you saying Gore would be completely wrong for America right now. If you listen and pay attention to the shit hitting the fan beyond the last names of the candidates, you'd see that a Gore presidency in 2009 will be nothing like the Clinton Presidencies of '93 and '97 and polar opposites of any three of the Bush Presidencies.

In fact, Gore being Clinton's VP is still somewhat of a political anomaly. They were and still are very far apart on many issues.

Gore ran in 2000 the way a Clinton would have. In 2008 should he run, it would, God willing, be done his way and not the advisors' way.

But hey, go ahead and stick to your feathery surface-deep non-issue of the last names of the executive branch dating back to 1980. It's bland, holds little historical knowledge save for the back of a grade-school 16" ruler, and ignores actual issues that are facing the entire world. See what I care.
post #42 of 42
I think he wouldn't win the election, so that's an issue too, but yes I've had it with the same characters running around the White House even if that sounds infantile or stupid to you. Heck, I don't care if you want to vote for a Gore/Clinton ticket in '08, be my guest.
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