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Bush Admits He Made Iraq Safe for Al Queda

post #1 of 11
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... and he wants to use that fact to justify our continued presence in Iraq!

Simply baffling:

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Bush to use bin Laden info to defend Iraq war policy

POSTED: 11:49 a.m. EDT, May 23, 2007

NEW LONDON, Connecticut (CNN) -- President Bush is expected to use declassified intelligence about Osama bin Laden to defend his Iraq war policy during a commencement address Wednesday.

Bush also will outline "three aviation plots" that have been disrupted as part of national security operations, said Frances Townsend, the homeland security adviser. Townsend, who spoke with reporters on Air Force One, offered no other details.

The president also is expected to mention in the speech declassified intelligence that says bin Laden planned in 2005 to use Iraq as a base from which to launch attacks in the United States, according to White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe.

Johndroe said the intelligence was declassified so Bush could discuss it during graduation ceremonies set for 11:15 a.m. at the Coast Guard Academy in Connecticut.

The speech will be aimed at defending a key part of the president's war strategy -- the contention that the United States cannot withdraw from Iraq because al Qaeda would fill the vacuum in the Middle East.
So let me get this straight - in 2005, a couple of years after Bush said bin Laden was "irrelevant", and after the removal of Saddam Hussein, bin Laden feels it's now safe to set up a terrorist staging cell in Iraq, and Bush wants to use this as a selling point?

The mind reels...
post #2 of 11
The lunch rises.
post #3 of 11
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It just makes my blood boil.

Hussein actively tried to keep al Qaeda out of Iraq -- U.S. invades and overthrows Hussein -- both foreign and internal Iraqi insurgency rises exponentially -- bin Laden begins to feel he could finally begin to use Iraq as a staging ground -- and Bush trumpets this as some sort of proof that, by God, we can't quit now, or the terrorists will win!

I'm gonna go get drunk now...
post #4 of 11
I think he's absolutely right when he uses this information to show the risks and dangers of giving up on the fledgling al Malaki government and pulling out of Iraq immediately. But Bush's ill-advised decision to invade Iraq and his poor management of the occupation/rebuilding phase are among the primary reasons these risks and dangers exist in that country. He's trying to have his cake and eat it too on this.

I don't think anyone really trusts Bush to handle Iraq properly at this point, even within his own party. This is just one more reason why the country really needs new leadership. Let me join the growing chorus singing "January 2009 can't come fast enough."
post #5 of 11
When all else fails....BIN LADEN! BIN LADEN! BIN LADEN! 9/11! 9/11! 9/11!

It's like, in the rules or something. And America will swallow this like Linda Lovelace.
post #6 of 11
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Originally Posted by jonvoight's car
I think he's absolutely right when he uses this information to show the risks and dangers of giving up on the fledgling al Malaki government and pulling out of Iraq immediately.
But the thing is, the cell never even materialized.

From the article:

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On Tuesday, White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said bin Laden and a top lieutenant -- Abu Faraj al-Libbi -- planned to form a terror cell in Iraq in order to launch those attacks, Johndroe said.

Al-Libbi was a "senior al Qaeda manager" who in 2005 suggested to bin Laden that bin Laden send Egyptian-born Hamza Rabia to Iraq to help plan attacks on American soil, Johndroe said.

Johndroe noted that bin Laden later suggested to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, then leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, that America should be his top priority. That was followed in the spring of 2005 with bin Laden's ordering Rabia to brief al-Zarqawi on plans to attack the United States, Johndroe said.

Johndroe added the intelligence indicates al-Libbi later suggested Rabia should be sent to Iraq to carry out those operations.

But al-Libbi was captured in Pakistan and taken into CIA custody in May 2005. After al-Libbi's capture, the CIA's former acting director, John McLaughlin, described him as bin Laden's chief operating officer, the No. 3 man in al Qaeda.
So the cell never materialized and we captured the guy that was allegedly going to get the ball rolling in Pakistan. Seems to me the disintigration of the plot had nothing to do with American soldiers on the ground in Iraq, and everything to do with how we should be going after terrorists, i.e. good policework.

Do you think al Malaki's government will eventually be more effective than Saddam was at keeping al Qaeda out of Iraq?
post #7 of 11
I just woke up and read the article on CNN, and I was gonna start a thread... glad someone beat me to it.

Seriously, this is so fucking absurd. Someone, somewhere, in some position of authority that can get the attention of the public needs to call these motherfuckers out.. I mean really call them out on this blatant use of double-think. I mean what the fuck?!

And I'm not even one of you die-hard pinko commies. These motherfuckers need to be impeached, on principle, just to show all politicians that they cannot act like criminals, and speak like retarded children with impunity.

The press should've fucking humiliated Bush for that comment. Not just called him out on it, humiliated him (i.e. caused him to cry on the podium and run to the nearest batch of brandy).
post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
But the thing is, the cell never even materialized.

From the article:



So the cell never materialized and we captured the guy that was allegedly going to get the ball rolling in Pakistan. Seems to me the disintigration of the plot had nothing to do with American soldiers on the ground in Iraq, and everything to do with how we should be going after terrorists, i.e. good policework.
You're right. This busted plot is a better example of how to work with other countries to root out and capture or kill terrorists. But this, along with all of the IED's, kidnappings, beheadings, and the like show that terrorists view Iraq as fertile ground for striking at US interests. If we pull out immediately, it isn't very likely the current government in Iraq would have the means to keep from being overrun by those extremists. That fault lies with the Bush Administration's rush to and mismanagement of the war. But a pull-out at this point leads to even greater chaos in the Middle East and the very real threat that extremists who want to strike out at the West gain control of large portions of Iraq and its accompanying resources. Again, a problem for which the Bush Administration is largely to blame. I don't want to see the US there forever or even next week, to tell you the truth. But I also don't want to see us pull out in a manner that will destabilize the region even more.

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Do you think al Malaki's government will eventually be more effective than Saddam was at keeping al Qaeda out of Iraq?
No. It won't be more effective. Saddam, for all his brutality (and likely because of it), was a stabilizing force in Iraq. But al Malaki's government, with proper support, could be the best chance right now for a democratic government that can keep cells like that from materializing in the future. Maybe it's more faith than that government deserves, but I believe it should have some more time to succeed before we pull support.
post #9 of 11
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Fair enough, jvc. You make good points.
post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by jonvoight's car

No. It won't be more effective. Saddam, for all his brutality (and likely because of it), was a stabilizing force in Iraq. But al Malaki's government, with proper support, could be the best chance right now for a democratic government that can keep cells like that from materializing in the future. Maybe it's more faith than that government deserves, but I believe it should have some more time to succeed before we pull support.
The problem is, Bush has already led America through 4 years of Iraq war; how much more time will it take for the plan to stablize Iraq to consider a "success", and US can start pulling its support? And why should we believe anything Bush has to said, esp. when he is now trying to justify US presence in Iraq with his ridiculous claim that he is keeping the terrorists out with the troop surge(when the reverse is true)?
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Originally Posted by jonvoight's car
No. It won't be more effective. Saddam, for all his brutality (and likely because of it), was a stabilizing force in Iraq. But al Malaki's government, with proper support, could be the best chance right now for a democratic government that can keep cells like that from materializing in the future. Maybe it's more faith than that government deserves, but I believe it should have some more time to succeed before we pull support.
A a bloody five-year occupation, how can it possibly succeed when it does things like give western oil companies control and profit from Iraq's oil for the next 30 years? You can kind of see why Iraqis at large don't really trust it.
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