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post #51 of 286
7/19/07 at 6:02am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
8:54pm on July 18th for those of you in the When Will the Race Card Get Played pool.
How is talking about race as related to this case playing the race card? The article offered no excuses for Michael Vick, nor did it question the motives of the Feds.
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post #52 of 286
7/19/07 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by Bailey
How is talking about race as related to this case playing the race card? The article offered no excuses for Michael Vick, nor did it question the motives of the Feds.
Yes, I agree. I mean, it certainley didn't play the race card when it opened up by telling me I thought Michael Vick was guilty because I'm white, and then went on to make some ludicrous point that white people are all retarded by featuring a probably fabricated story about a white woman saying she didn't know black people owned dogs.
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post #53 of 286
7/19/07 at 10:38am
If you can't read an article like that without thinking the things you're apparently thinking you're basically proving his point.
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post #54 of 286
7/19/07 at 10:50am
The point of the article is that he fears this case will be viewed along racial lines. And how does he start of his piece? By saying if you're white you think he's guilty and if you're black you think he's innocent. He's basically doing exactly what he fears will happen, and even if he's trying to be ironic about it, it's a bad way to start the piece off, because it draws attention to exactly what he hopes doesn't happen.
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post #55 of 286
7/19/07 at 11:17am
Well, since my entire reply just got eaten, I'll do the short version. I'm not interested in defending the article except to say that it is not playing the race card. In this case, the race card would be stating that Michael Vick is in trouble because he's black and not because he's apparently a dickhead animal abuser. Nowhere does the guy do that.
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post #56 of 286
7/19/07 at 11:32am
Furman Bisher has been a writer for the AJC (local ATL paper) forever. Here's "An Open Letter To Arthur Blank":

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Originally Posted by Furman Bisher
To: Arthur Blank, Owner & CEO, Atlanta Falcons,

Flowery Branch, GA 30542

Dear Mr. Blank: This morning, as my wife scanned the disaster headline in the AJC, she mused, “Wonder if Arthur wouldn’t trade it all now for an apron and a little hat with ‘Home Depot’ on it?”

I said, “And give up all this?” I quoted from the Falcons press guide: “Blessed with rare athletic abilities not before seen at the quarterback position in the history of the NFL … called ‘most electrifying and exciting player in the NFL,’ ” writing of Michael Vick.

“Give up all that?” I said. “This was his dream world. Give him Michael Vick and he had an empire.”

No owner of a professional team franchise could have been kinder than you have been to Michael Vick. You have coddled him. You have taken him in as a friend, and team owners can’t have friendships with players. It doesn’t work.

Some few owners have taken to appearing on the sidelines, but you have taken it a few degrees further. Cameras have shown you sallying about with him, arm around him, smiling in victory, frowning in defeat. Another time you were shown pushing his wheelchair when he was injured. Even Jerry Jones doesn’t go that far. Players are field hands to Al Davis. You don’t see him fraternizing with any Raiders.

Of course, where you broke ranks was when you endowed Vick with a $130 million contract. That gave him a bigger chunk of the team than any of your minority owners. That gave him the impression he was the team. The Atlas of all he could survey. I often wondered if you ever had a sit-down, hard-nosed nuts-and-bolts jaw session with him, let him know who’s the boss, not his brother.

During the winter, after you traded Matt Schaub to Houston, I wrote a column suggesting that you had traded the wrong quarterback. Another writer scoffed at it, but the e-mailing public leaped aboard. “Vick is a thug and should have been traded,” one of the gentler respondents wrote. “He is holding the franchise hostage,” another wrote. Of all the responses, some 50 of them, only one took serious issue. I’m sure you must have fielded a few of them yourself. Did that not open your eyes? Now when you need Schaub most, he’s in Texas, not that any guarantee came with him. But at least he was not a Falcons player you had to be ashamed of.

Let me tell you about a man named Clint Murchison. Clint owned the Dallas Cowboys during the Tom Landry heyday, but you never saw Clint on camera. He was Texas-wealthy and didn’t feel any need to have his ego stroked. He could walk the street in Dallas and hardly anybody recognized him. He left the football stage to Landry and Tex Schramm. They built the franchise and made it run. Not that your staying off the sideline in the waning moments of the game is going to change anything, but I think it has thrown a shadow over your relationship with Vick.

Now it really gets touchy. Whatever his role in the alleged fighting-dog scandal, there’s one thing he can’t escape. He is the landlord of the place in Virginia, owns it, is responsible for what goes on there. You must have about $90 million of that exorbitant contract still hanging fire, stands to be written off. Nobody can show you where to go to fill that hole in the lineup, but it would be nice, wouldn’t it, if you still had Schaub in camp. He knew the offense and he wasn’t a magnet for trouble. Looks like you traded the wrong quarterback, sad to say.

Sorry, dear fellow, FB.

P.S.: You have a fellow on your board who could be a help to Vick on how to earn respect. His name is Henry Aaron.
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post #57 of 286
7/19/07 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
The point of the article is that he fears this case will be viewed along racial lines.
His fears have already been realized. All he has to do is come to Atlanta, where the Vick issue is very clearly and sadly split down racial lines. The crackers were already ready to bury him while the bros are still defending him vehemently and putting forth that he's being railroaded.

Heck, just yesterday I heard at least two different callers on a local sports talk station come with the "hey man, these are just dogs!" card.
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post #58 of 286
7/19/07 at 2:23pm
Yeah, a lot of the Vick apologists seem to be using the bizarre 'argument' that torturing animals "isn't as bad as murdering people," as if that somehow means society should turn a blind eye to it. Then, for added racial sizzle, there's "white people care more about animals than they do humans."
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post #59 of 286
7/19/07 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by Ricardo Brady
Yeah, a lot of the Vick apologists seem to be using the bizarre 'argument' that torturing animals "isn't as bad as murdering people," as if that somehow means society should turn a blind eye to it. Then, for added racial sizzle, there's "white people care more about animals than they do black humans."
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From CC:

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Heck, just yesterday I heard at least two different callers on a local sports talk station come with the "hey man, these are just dogs!" card.
People who say things like that should be pistol whipped before they're even finished speaking.
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post #60 of 286
7/19/07 at 2:38pm
I can't tell you how sick I am of the lame-ass "What about UFC?" argument some people are trying to haul out. That's two adult men making a conscious choice to get in that ring, and without the possibility of being taken out and electrocuted if they don't perform well. And don't tell me that this is what these kind of dogs are bred for. That's just apologist bullshit.
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post #61 of 286
7/19/07 at 2:44pm
I was listening to Colin Cowherd at lunch today and he was taking calls about a great e-mail he'd read from a black woman who basically called out anyone defending Michael Vick simply because he's black (solidarity and all). She said it's a moral/legal issue, plain and simple. So he takes several reasoned calls agreeing with the e-mail, elaborates on the racial thing a bit (basically calling it irrelevant), but then at the end, a black guy gets on and claims it's literally impossible for black people to be racist because they don't have any power.

I'm just waiting for Gary Sheffield to chime in.
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post #62 of 286
7/19/07 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Banks is my hero
I was listening to Colin Cowherd at lunch today and he was taking calls about a great e-mail he'd read from a black woman who basically called out anyone defending Michael Vick simply because he's black (solidarity and all). She said it's a moral/legal issue, plain and simple. So he takes several reasoned calls agreeing with the e-mail, elaborates on the racial thing a bit (basically calling it irrelevant), but then at the end, a black guy gets on and claims it's literally impossible for black people to be racist because they don't have any power.

I'm just waiting for Gary Sheffield to chime in.
Good to hear Colin offering more of his "big boy" radio. I hope to be able to catch some of this on his "me-tube" resets later.
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post #63 of 286
7/19/07 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord
Good to hear Colin offering more of his "big boy" radio. I hope to be able to catch some of this on his "me-tube" resets later.
I can't stand him, there just wasn't anything else to listen to. It was either him or a bunch of whining about the Redskins.
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post #64 of 286
7/19/07 at 4:10pm
I got my hair cut at Sports Clips yesterday (here in the 'burbs of ATL), and I was the only customer there. Two girls were working, one black and one white. Of course, the subject of Vick came up, and the black woman went on a 10-minute tirade about how much of a scumbag Vick is, and that they should've traded him, not Schaub, in the off-season.
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post #65 of 286
7/19/07 at 9:20pm
As more and more details of the dog fighting get out, I'm disgusted, but then not really surprised. Why would anyone follow a scumbag like this?

I wanna know who started it, gave it the ok, for the rappers and and the wanna-be rappers to abuse pitt bulls?

What the hell? Are Hookers not enough for this guy?

Why couldn't Vick act like normal wanna-be rappers and shoot a rival?

I hope he spends a long time in jail, I hope his career goes down the toilet and frankly, I hope he dies a violet death.

All of his supporters can go rot in hell.
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post #66 of 286
7/19/07 at 10:27pm
I want an Atlanta Falcons #7 jersey with OOKIE on the back.
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post #67 of 286
7/20/07 at 2:32am
Senator Byrd chimes in:

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Michael Vick Dogfighting Case Makes Way to Floor of U.S. Senate

RICHMOND, Va. — The Michael Vick dogfighting case made its way to the floor of the U.S. Senate Thursday when its most senior member publicly declared his outrage, saying he's witnessed one execution but wouldn't mind seeing another "if it involves this cruel, sadistic, cannibalistic business of training innocent, vulnerable creatures to kill."

The strong words from Sen. Robert Byrd, D-WV, widely known for his devotion to animals, come as dogfighting controversy swirls around the Atlanta Falcons star quarterback. Vick and three others were indicted earlier this week on felony charges of competitive dogfighting, procuring and training pit bulls for fighting, and conducting the enterprise across state lines.

The dogs were housed, trained and fought at a property owned by Vick in Surry County, Va., under an outfit named "Bad Newz Kennels," the indictment says.

Among the grisly findings: Losing dogs either died in the pit or were electrocuted, drowned, hanged or shot. The indictment said purses climbed as high as $20,000 for fights.

Byrd called the activities described in the Vick case "sadistic" and "barbaric." At one point, Byrd began shouting and pumping his fist.

"Barbaric!," he yelled. "Let that word resounding from hill to hill, and from mountain to mountain, and valley to valley across the broad land. Barbaric! Barbaric! May God help those poor souls who'd be so cruel. Barbaric! Hear me! Barbaric!"

Byrd, 89, said he would not prejudge the men's guilt or innocence, but he left no doubts about his sentiments.

"I am confident that the hottest places in hell are reserved for the souls of sick and brutal people who hold God's creatures in such brutal and cruel contempt," he said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290061,00.html
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post #68 of 286
7/20/07 at 3:25am
The ancient senators are always the fun ones.
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post #69 of 286
7/20/07 at 3:33am
I only wish that Strom Thurmond could have lived to see this day.
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post #70 of 286
7/20/07 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by nekkerbee
Good ol' Byrd, it's always fun to see a former Exalted Cyclops of the KKK get worked up over barbarism and sadistic behaviour.
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post #71 of 286
7/20/07 at 5:01pm
His delivery is even better than the article suggests. He reads it like it's a Pinter play. I can nuke a Hot Pocket in the time between the third and fourth "Barbaric!"
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post #72 of 286
7/20/07 at 7:44pm
The Vick Scandal is another case of either the guy is guilty or he is one of the biggest idiots on the planet. He owned the site and had no idea this crap was going on?
I love the whole "It was OK because it was on his land" routine.What part of
"Dogfighting Is Against The Law" don't these people understand.
God knows I am no PETA supporter,but this is just plain disguisting.The fans will be merciless come the season start.
I bet Pro Wrestling is secretly happy about this since it takes the heat off of them for a while.
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post #73 of 286
7/20/07 at 8:55pm
wow. this is messed up

Afganistan: Dog fighting has grown in popularity in Afghanistan since the fall of the Taliban, who banned it. Reportedly, police officers in Afghanistan do not enforce any laws regarding dog fights, and often watch the fights

Japan: Under modern rules, dogs fight in a fenced ring until one of the dogs barks, yelps, or loses the will to fight. Owners are allowed to throw in the towel, and matches are stopped if a doctor judges it is too dangerous. Draws usually occur when both dogs won't fight or both dogs fight until the time limit. There are various other rules, including one that specifies that a dog will lose if it attempts to copulate. Champion dogs are called yokozuna, as in sumo. With generic animal protection laws in place, dog fighting is not specifically banned in Japan, except in Tokyo, and can be seen in Kochi. Currently, most fighting dogs in Japan are Tosa, which is a breed that was developed in Kochi.

Latin America: Dog fighting is widely practiced in much of Latin America, especially in Argentina, Colombia and many parts of Brazil. The Dogo Argentino is by far the most common breed involved in the bloodsport. The Fila Brasileiro is also used, but rarely. The American Pit Bull Terrier is another breed that is commonly involved in dog fighting circuits

Russia: Although animal cruelty laws exist in Russia, dog fighting is widely practiced. Laws prohibiting dogfights have been passed in certain places, and in others dogfights are legally held under the supervision of the All-Russian Association of Russian Volkodavs.

Is North America the only place that actually cares about animal cruelty?

In the 90s, I dated a girl whose family raised cocks and used them in LEGAL cockfighting bouts. The girls I dated had a cock as a pet and was proud that it was such a strong fighter. That relationship did not last long.

I am amazed that Cock Fighting was legal in Louisiana until last month! (JUNE 27, 2007)
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post #74 of 286
7/20/07 at 9:25pm
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Originally Posted by Starving Dog
The girls I dated had a cock as a pet
I always thought fabfunk would be the one to post that...
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post #75 of 286
7/21/07 at 1:18am
He named the facility "Bad Newz Kennels". With a Z.

I'll let that sink in.
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post #76 of 286
7/21/07 at 3:19am
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Originally Posted by Will Kane
I always thought fabfunk would be the one to post that...
wow. just wow...
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post #77 of 286
7/23/07 at 12:20pm
In a perfect world, Vick would be torn from limb to limb by the dogs he abused and taunted.

What scum! He has all that money and this is what he does with it, shameful.

My problem with sports is that they draft these guys, encouranging them to piss on their education, throw money at them and then are shocked when they do repulsive shit like this.
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post #78 of 286
7/24/07 at 1:08pm
So, he's been ordered not to report to training camp until there's a full review of the indictment. Any guesses as to what Arthur Blank is going to say at the press conference this afternoon?
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post #79 of 286
7/24/07 at 1:32pm
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
So, he's been ordered not to report to training camp until there's a full review of the indictment. Any guesses as to what Arthur Blank is going to say at the press conference this afternoon?
Easy. Blank will say that he's disappointed in Michael, the Falcons in no way condone or support dog fighting and that he's sorry to the fans and the city. Basically he'll say nothing he hasn't already. Blank has no backbone and he's a horrible owner. For every good decision he makes he makes two bad ones. You just know he's been praying for the NFL to make the decision and take it out of his hands.
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post #80 of 286
7/24/07 at 3:51pm
"I'm Autha Blahnk. Screw you dog-lahvas. Vick is still my guy."

How great would it be if Blank sends him to play for the Georgia Force, the Arena Football team that Blank also owns?
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post #81 of 286
7/25/07 at 12:07pm
I'll add a disgusting part of this whole thing that involves PETA--they were protesting yesterday, and also selling $20 t-shirts criticizing Vick. So yes, the illustrious PETA organization is using this event to make some money. Nice.
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post #82 of 286
7/25/07 at 12:15pm
To be fair, PETA is a non-profit. I wouldn't think of this as crass commercialism, so much as an opportunity to fund-raise that happens to be exactly in line with their mission statement.
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post #83 of 286
7/25/07 at 12:21pm
My son (4yr old) came home from pre-school yesterday saying "I'm not going to wear my team shirt anymore."

I asked "Why? Don't you like your Yankee shirt anymore?". (I had just given him a navy "Jackson 44" batting shirt.)

"No, not that one. The one with the seven on the back." he replied.

"Oh. You don't like your Falcons jersey?"

"The guy that wears it hurt a lot of dogs, and that's not very nice."
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post #84 of 286
7/25/07 at 12:24pm
Yeah, I just can't see Vick ever wearing a Falcons uniform again. He'd have to be absolutely, completely exonerated, and even then, the cloud would still be hanging over him. People love their dogs.

Then again, this is pro sports we're talking about...
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post #85 of 286
7/25/07 at 12:31pm
You know what the PETA thing makes me think of? That scene in PCU where the protesters whip out markers and signs on the fly for a spur-of-the-moment protest.
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post #86 of 286
7/25/07 at 12:32pm
I have to see this fighting dogs shit every week at work. It's horrific. If Vick did it, I hope they hang him by his balls.
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post #87 of 286
7/25/07 at 12:47pm
Nordling, what do you do for a living? Incidentally, I agree with your last statement.

I also agree with Singer that Vick's days as a Falcon are over.
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post #88 of 286
7/25/07 at 12:55pm
Nordling is a dogfighting announcer.
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post #89 of 286
7/25/07 at 2:31pm
Ironically enough, he works at "Good Newz Kennels".
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post #90 of 286
7/25/07 at 2:44pm
If you watch ANIMAL COPS: HOUSTON on Animal Planet you might actually catch a glimpse of me. I work for the judge that hears most of the animal seizure cases in Harris County. We get several dogfighting cases a month. One time, they seized over 80 pitbulls in an underground kennel.
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post #91 of 286
7/26/07 at 1:43pm
Deion Sanders has weighted in, and utterly embarassed himself.

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs....STS41/70722009

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Some gems:

This is all the result of perspective.

What a dog means to Vick might be a lot different than what he means to you or I. Hold on, don’t start shaking your head just yet. Listen to me.

And some people enjoy proving they have the biggest, toughest dog on the street. You’re probably not going to believe this, but I bet Vick loves the dogs that were the biggest and the baddest. Maybe, he identified with them in some way.

You can still choose to condemn him, but I’m trying to take you inside his mind so you can understand where he might be coming from.

Still, I must ask the question: Where is all of this going?

The reason this is turning into a three-ring circus is that baseball is boring, basketball is months away, football is around the corner and we in the media don’t have a thing interesting to write about.
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post #92 of 286
7/26/07 at 1:48pm
Well, sure Vick loved the biggest and meanest dogs. He KILLED the rest of them. Deion is suck a fucking dolt.

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I believe Vick had a passion for dogfighting. I know many athletes who share his passion. The allure is the intensity and the challenge of a dog fighting to the death. It’s like ultimate fighting, but the dog doesn’t tap out when he knows he can’t win.

It reminds me of when I wore a lot of jewelry back in the day because I always wanted to have the biggest chain or the biggest, baddest car. It gives you status.
W. T. F.
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post #93 of 286
7/26/07 at 2:15pm
Bring back the Easy E look if you want me to take your comments seriously, Deion.

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post #94 of 286
7/26/07 at 2:21pm
Sounds to me like someone is trying to lessen the impact when his name gets connected to dogfighting.
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post #95 of 286
7/26/07 at 3:33pm
Oh, so Vick's only brutally killing animals so that he can attain that fleeting sense of status and self-worth that making $50 million a year, banging supermodels, having his face all over TV and magazines, having the best-selling NFL jersey on the market, being recognized and admired everywhere he goes and having MTV doing half-hour specials on how sweet his mansion is just can't provide?

I'd better tell my secretary to put in an order for another apology muffin basket. Sigh.
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post #96 of 286
7/26/07 at 4:05pm
My favorite part about that was Deion saying "We in the media." Yeah, you're a regular fucking Bob Woodward, you piece of shit.

Anyone who defends this prick goes on the list of "People I Pray Get Maimed Before I Die."
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post #97 of 286
7/26/07 at 4:51pm
Dog fighting makes me sick.

Now that is out of the way, I have a question.

If Vick's house was in Louisiana, would he not be in trouble with the NFL since dog fighting was not made illigal in that state until last month?

I mean, the state said it was OK to have dog fighting and believed it was not illigal at all until last month.

That is messed up to think about, though. A state actually believed it was ok (and the countries I mentioned above that believes it is STILL OK).

If any CHEWERS live in a country where it is legal, what do you think about this?
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post #98 of 286
7/26/07 at 5:19pm
I thought I read that it was illegal in 43 states or something like that. So there are a few states that it's still legal in.

I'm tellin' ya, Vick should've followed Roy Jones' example and went with Cockfighting. There's a sport we can all get behind. Loser doesn't buy dinner...Loser IS dinner!
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post #99 of 286
7/26/07 at 5:23pm
I think cockfighting is still legal in Louisiana. We've had seizure cases where roosters were raised here in Texas to be shipped there.
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post #100 of 286
7/26/07 at 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by Starving Dog
If Vick's house was in Louisiana, would he not be in trouble with the NFL since dog fighting was not made illigal in that state until last month?
But the fighting took place in Virginia so it doesn't matter.

So PrimeTime is on Vick' side and former Bears QB Jim Miller(XM radio) does the BS stance of no opinion till the courts decide, how are the ESPN Gameday/CBS/NBC guys responding? If I see all the players on tv rallying behing this guy I hope they get new guys.

I'm all for innocent till proven guilty but Vick doesn't have a whacked up stripper making up stories to fall back on.
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