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The Snootyness of Slate or How they Hate Fletch

post #1 of 33
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I was over at Slate's site and have typically found them to be kind of wonky or just plain boring. But here, I think this writer has one helluva large stick up his ass:

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Snob vs. SnobDon't let your memory fool you. Chevy Chase's Fletch is abominably bad.
By Reihan Salam
Posted Friday, May 25, 2007, at 1:00 PM ET

FletchAs we head into the late '00s, the wave of '80s nostalgia is receding quickly. We've pretty much exhausted British New Wave. Enormous, dazzling-white Nike Air Force 1s have long since reconquered street fashion. And, in a bout of what can only be called collective insanity, a few beautiful young women even dare to don leg warmers. So, before Generation Y's fast-growing purchasing power displaces '80s nostalgia forever with platinum-plated collector's editions of Britney Spears' Oops! ... I Did It Again, the culture industries are gearing up to sell us the decade's detritus. I'm talking about Patrick Swayze, white denim, and Fletch—the last just repackaged in a special "Jane Doe" edition that unapologetically includes some of the worst special features ever stamped onto a DVD.

As a movie, Fletch is all but unwatchably bad. But as a cultural artifact, it is invaluable. Reagan had just been re-elected by a landslide when the film hit theaters in 1985, and Fletch reflects, in a strange and roundabout way, an era of wrenching liberal despair. While the enlightened bourgeoisie and their scruffy spawn were no longer running the country, they could at least laugh along with Chevy Chase as he poked fun at Reagan's America—the nouveau riche, the pig-headed cops, the Mormons.

Two years before Fletch infected movie theaters nationwide, Michael Kinsley boasted in Harper's that he was a reverse-snob: Not only did he self-consciously eschew the shmancy Lacoste alligator—he and his friends sported decidedly down-market discount polo shirts emblazoned with the J.C. Penney fox.* And so it is with the always-informal Fletch, who rocks his L.A. Lakers jersey while posing as an "amiable junkie"—and also while cracking wise with his uptight editor in the newsroom of his very serious paper.

Watching Fletch again, I experienced the shock of recognition: The film perfectly captures the rise of the ironically detached hipster sensibility. Chevy Chase, then at the height of both his career and comedic powers, plays an investigative reporter named Irwin Fletcher. Throughout the movie, he dons a seemingly endless series of "comical" disguises in the haphazard pursuit of a big scoop on the Los Angeles drug trade. And yet he always radiates the same genial contempt. Fletch is handsome, self-confident, and he certainly sounds affable. Listen closely, though, and you'll find that his pleasant demeanor masks the condescending jackass within.

Fletch has no time for squares. He's happy to charge many a Bloody Mary and steak sandwich to some rich asshole while he's infiltrating a posh country club.


But then again, he can't resist muttering some pointless crack about tacos when a Latina housemaid offers him a polite "buenos dias." Talk about a class act.


Any working stiff, rich or poor, gets the same rhetorical punch in the nose from our Fletch—but it's always carefully concealed, the better to avoid getting a well-deserved actual punch in the nose. Even when he's being "charming"—notably when he's wooing the winning WASP Mrs. Stanwyk—he comes across as a childish boor.


As in any adolescent fantasy, Mrs. Stanwyk coos and giggles at every boneheaded remark. What better way to highlight Fletch's abandonment of the hypocrisy of middle-class convention than to have him treat everybody like crap?

I should say almost everybody. There is one category of person that is near and dear to Fletch: the somehow uniformly lovable druggies and dealers who populate the Santa Monica beach. These are the innocents of Fletch, and our hero is—for a change—kind, respectful, and even protective toward them. That's because (naturally) these drug-addled dropouts are victims of crooked police Chief Jerry Karlin. In a particularly inspired bit of casting, Chief Karlin is portrayed by Joe Don Baker, the same actor who portrayed Sheriff Buford Pusser in the Nixon-era crime-busting parable Walking Tall. In 1973, the take-no-prisoners lawman was the hero. This time, the same man preys on the poor to line his own pockets.

(Of course, Chief Karlin isn't the only bad guy. The man who draws Fletch into the whole tangled web is Alan Stanwyk, a well-coiffed Mormon bigamist who plans to off our hero just to make a quick buck. Thanks to this random anti-Mormon drive-by, you might say Fletch is Angels in America for really dumb people.)

Granted, there is something funny about George Wendt, better known as Norm from Cheers, wearing a beret and speaking fluent jive. And the scene where Fletch imagines he's a 'bow-dropping L.A. Laker with an enormous Afro is mildly amusing. Even so, I dare say I'd find a DVD of my own leg being sawed off more entertaining than the mostly mindless "gags" that have made Fletch a modern comedy classic in the eyes of so many critics, whom I for one will never trust again. Hey, he just told one guy his name is Ted Nugent! And another guy that his name is Don Corleone! Whoa, did he just say his name is John Cocktoastin! Watch as he convinces some elderly rustic that his name is Harry S. Truman.


These are, the aforementioned all-too-brief moments aside, the movie's comedy highlights. What they all have in common is that they employ cultural references accessible enough for a stupid person to easily understand, thus giving him a chance to feel superior. Charming.

So, why is Fletch such a failure? It could be that—like it or not—hipster liberalism just doesn't mesh well with screwball comedy. Animal House, the ur-text, pits the lovable ne'er-do-wells of Delta Tau Chi against the duplicitous and icily priggish Dean Wormer, and we know from the start whom we're rooting for. Or take the more recent smash hit Wedding Crashers, in which a pair of charming scoundrels square off against the privileged scion of a great American family. To the extent there's any political subtext here, you might think it's simple, straightforward egalitarianism: You can't let some two-bit tyrant ruin all your fun, and you can't let some J. Press preppie bastard get the girl.

But there's more than a passing resemblance between this narrative and classic right-wing populism. Like "Bluto" Blutarsky rallying his fraternity to ruin the homecoming parade, crafty conservatives have been riling up middle America for decades against champagne-sipping limousine liberals. The boys in Animal House aren't, say, fighting tooth and nail for a living-wage ordinance. These mostly privileged young men are fighting for their right to party—a libertarian cause if there ever was one. And consider that the villain in Wedding Crashers is a Kennedy clone, a cultured environmentalist who hides his woman-hating ways behind earnest platitudes.

Fletch is so abominably bad because it's trying to be a slobs vs. snobs comedy, but all the while, Fletch is the biggest snob of them all. He claims to stick up for the downtrodden. But like the über-educated hipster kids clamoring to secede from "Jesusland," his disdain is directed against the God-fearing, hard-working rubes of the Heartland. There are two things Fletch badly needs. The first is a slap upside the head. The second is a copy of What's the Matter With Kansas? Sure, Fletch, you might be right about the class war. But can you please wipe that smirk off your face?
post #2 of 33
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Originally Posted by EdHocken
I was over at Slate's site and have typically found them to be kind of wonky or just plain boring. But here, I think this writer has one helluva large stick up his ass:
I think stick up his ass is a nice way to put it. Basically he is talking out of his ass to look important - taking a film like Fletch this seriously? What next, the dialectic behind Beverly Hills Cop?

Fletch fucks with people and shows how most middle class to rich people (especailly white, male and smug) are full of shit. The only people he's nice to is the kid at the beach (2 kids? it's been a while.), Sam, Larry, and the blond chick he ends up banging. How exactly is this different from Animal House?
post #3 of 33
I've never seen Fletch. I'd be curious how younger (by that I mean those who weren't really of age to catch the film at the time of it's release) viewers perceive the film? I'm not sure Fletch is quite the classic some believe it is.
post #4 of 33
i was 3 when Fletch came out, so needless to say i discovered it later in life. And i love it. Its Chevy at his finest, and is chock full of great quips and one liners. Slate can suck a nut. or Reihan Salam can anyway. "unwatchably bad?" hardly.
post #5 of 33
When did you see it? A few years ago or when you were ten? That's what I want to know.

It's like the Escape from New York thread. Never saw it in the 80s when I was a kid. Saw it last winter and was mildly entertained, nothing more.
post #6 of 33
It's a classic.
post #7 of 33
Any movie with the line "Hey, Fred. How are those herpes?" belongs in the National Film Registry.
post #8 of 33
Slate acts better than you because they usually are.

And Fletch does kind of suck.
post #9 of 33
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Originally Posted by Mary H.
I think stick up his ass is a nice way to put it. Basically he is talking out of his ass to look important - taking a film like Fletch this seriously? What next, the dialectic behind Beverly Hills Cop?
Why not?
post #10 of 33
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Originally Posted by The Alexor
I've never seen Fletch. I'm not sure Fletch is quite the classic some believe it is.
Excellent point.
post #11 of 33
Why the fuck is this movie being taken seriously? "Hipster liberalism"? Go shit in your hat. Isn't the point that Fletch (in the film, at least) just an asshole? Not some class-warrior, crusading to "stick it to the man".

I'd like to think that Greg McDonald is spinning in his grave at the suggestion that "What's the Matter With Kansas" proves fault in this movie, and he ain't even dead yet.
post #12 of 33
Coincidentally I saw both Fletch and Escape From New York this week. I liked EFNY, but Fletch kind of left me cold. Don't know why.

It also occurred to me that Chevy Chase was the Will Ferell of his day. And I hope that Will Ferell does not become the Chevy Chase of HIS day.
post #13 of 33
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Originally Posted by Ninhead
Why the fuck is this movie being taken seriously?
Why not?
post #14 of 33
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Originally Posted by Junior
Excellent point.
You got me there.
post #15 of 33
While the article does make a halfway decent point - Isn't it hypocritical for the movie to attack snobs when Fletch is snobbish himself? I think it's the wrong movie to do it with.

As noted above, Fletch is an asshole. He just travels throughout the movie being smarmy to everyone except the people he wants to sleep with or sympathizes with. I am 22 and saw the movie for the first time about two years ago (and saw the sequel as well). I just thought they were clever, funny movies with some dumb moments. I didn't see Fletch as role model or anything - just a jerkoff anti-hero.
post #16 of 33
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
It also occurred to me that Chevy Chase was the Will Ferell of his day. And I hope that Will Ferell does not become the Chevy Chase of HIS day.
I don't think Ferrell ever thought he was such hot shit nor got into fistfights with other cast members. Not to mention his movie output I think is larger than Chase's and I'm including cameos also.
post #17 of 33
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Originally Posted by The Alexor
You got me there.
Sorry about that. I look at the CHUD boards as an asshole contest, and I inevitably end up playing. And then I feel like an asshole.

The review is just another conservative busting a nut over a rarely-seized opportunity to stick it to Hollywood liberals (their "Hanoi Jane" glory is beginning to wane). He'll probably get a job with that Fox News "comedy" show.
post #18 of 33
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Originally Posted by The Alexor
When did you see it? A few years ago or when you were ten? That's what I want to know.

It's like the Escape from New York thread. Never saw it in the 80s when I was a kid. Saw it last winter and was mildly entertained, nothing more.
i cant remember the first time i saw it. maybe when i was 18? i dunno. i do know ive watched it a shit ton of times since, it goes by pretty face, lots of laughs throughout. for me its the tits and it has nothing to do with nostalgia or "liking the movie for what it is" bullshit. its funny. chevy at his best (this and Caddyshack).

Records Nurse: Oh, Doctor, are you all right?
Fletch: Where am I?
Records Nurse: You're in the records room.
Fletch: The records room? Oh, then I'm fine.
Records Nurse: Can I get you something?
Fletch: Yeah, do you have the Beatles' White Album? Never mind, just get me a glass of hot fat. And bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia while you're out there.
post #19 of 33
Well I guess he told him! Take that, make-believe character!
post #20 of 33
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Originally Posted by Gatorboy
Well I guess he told him! Take that, make-believe character!
You're right! Nobody wrote or directed that movie. All the lines and situations came from the ether!
post #21 of 33
Fletch was a lot funnier when I was 13. Now, not so much. I thought the Slate article was a bit padded as it didn't have that much to say. But it's funny to see people get so riled up about it.
post #22 of 33
I'm still sort of mad at Slate.com for convincing me Kerry would win.
post #23 of 33
Chevy Chase has always seemed like a distilled version of Jimmy Fallon's annoying tendencies. He thinks he deserves laughs for a smug grin. I've never found him funny, including in Caddyshack, and hearing how much of an asshole he is from no less than Will Ferrel was the final bullet for me.
post #24 of 33
He's so great in Caddyshack and the first few Vacation movies. Loved him in Fletch, too - but I haven't seen it forever, so maybe it doesn't hold up. Guy was great, but it's like he hit the funny-no-longer wall harder than most comedic actors.
post #25 of 33
I guess the guys at Slate have never read the original novels, as the movie actually pulled back a little on the "smarminess" of the Fletch character. If you read the books, nearly every sentence by Fletch is a one-liner.

I watched the movie about 3-4 weeks ago when the DVD was re-released, and I still laughed and still enjoyed it. It's a comedy movie based on a mystery novel starring an SNL alum. How deep is it supposed to be?
post #26 of 33
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Originally Posted by Kevin Matchstick
He's so great in Caddyshack and the first few Vacation movies. Loved him in Fletch, too - but I haven't seen it forever, so maybe it doesn't hold up. Guy was great, but it's like he hit the funny-no-longer wall harder than most comedic actors.
When you factor in the case of Dennis Miller, it seems that sudden bouts of non-funny hit ex-SNL anchors hard. Beware, Tina Fey...
post #27 of 33

Question...

 

Why does Fletch pour some champagne into the bucket after serving Mrs. Stanwyk and himself at the country club?


 

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Originally Posted by The Alexor View Post

I've never seen Fletch. I'd be curious how younger (by that I mean those who weren't really of age to catch the film at the time of it's release) viewers perceive the film? I'm not sure Fletch is quite the classic some believe it is.


That's quite the ...uh... informed opinion you got there.

post #28 of 33

Fletch really does kinda suck, frankly.

post #29 of 33

Even though this thread is quite old, I want to talk because I love my opinions.

 

I remember renting Fletch on a non-eventful weekend and being kind of underwhelmed by it. I was expecting a comedy classic and I got a film with conflicting tones. Maybe that's just me and my snootiness as a young 'un, but Chevy Chase seemed to be doing jokes because they were jokes, not because they were furthering the story. That was kind of confirmed when I watched the documentary, as everyone seemed to be in awe of Chevy's comedic skills. They were letting the actor take control of the movie, which kind of makes it suffer some 25 years later.

 

I haven't read the book so I can't gauge what the tone of that work was. But I feel like Fletch was being pulled apart in two equally strong directions, which makes it an atonal mess. Also, I just kind of wanted to use the word atonal because I don't get to use it enough.

post #30 of 33

It's actually got a lot in common with WHO'S HARRY CRUMB? Revisited both recently. Simple murder plot peppered with lead tomfoolery, disguises, and one-liners. Quality's not much different IMO.

post #31 of 33

I think Crumb was a lot more cartoonish than Fletch was.  Although I can't think of any other movie where I've found Annie Potts so attractive.  And if you're so inclined check out the scene where she's in a bra rolling around the bed with Tim Thomerson, you can pretty much see right through her sheer bra.  You're welcome.

 

And as I mentioned (wow, all the way back in '07), the books are filled with one liners from Fletch.  This one follows the story somewhat closely, but the ending is completely different in the movie. 

 

Oh, and Darkmites, I took the pouring of the champagne into the bucket as a usual way to keep stuff colder in ice.  If you add some water (or champagne) to ice, it actually keeps it colder.  Plus, with the liquid in the bottom of the bucket, it's easier to put the bottle back in there instead of trying to cram it in around all the ice.

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Originally Posted by Kenny Madison View Post

Even though this thread is quite old, I want to talk because I love my opinions.


I like your style Kenny Madison.

 

post #33 of 33
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Originally Posted by Martianman View Post
Oh, and Darkmites, I took the pouring of the champagne into the bucket as a usual way to keep stuff colder in ice.  If you add some water (or champagne) to ice, it actually keeps it colder.  Plus, with the liquid in the bottom of the bucket, it's easier to put the bottle back in there instead of trying to cram it in around all the ice.

Hm, probably right. Interesting. Nice touch there.

 

And it's funny, I had forgotten Potts was in CRUMB until I revisited recently. Took me off guard.

 

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