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Libby Sentenced: 2.5 years, $250k fine

post #1 of 107
Thread Starter 
Those are the headlines, now for the rumors behind the news*:

In the West Wing, Pardon Is A Topic Too Sensitive to Mention

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The sentence imposed on former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby yesterday put President Bush in the position of making a decision he has tried to avoid for months: Trigger a fresh political storm by pardoning a convicted perjurer or let one of the early architects of his administration head to prison.

The prospect of a pardon has become so sensitive inside the West Wing that top aides have been kept out of the loop, and even Bush friends have been told not to bring it up with the president. In any debate, officials expect Vice President Cheney to favor a pardon, while other aides worry about the political consequences of stepping into a case that stems from the origins of the Iraq war and renewing questions about the truthfulness of the Bush administration.

The White House publicly sought to defer the matter again yesterday, saying that Bush is "not going to intervene" for now. But U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton indicated that he is not inclined to let Libby remain free pending appeals, which means the issue could confront Bush in a matter of weeks when, barring a judicial change of heart, Cheney's former chief of staff will have to trade his business suit for prison garb. Republicans inside and outside the administration said that would be the moment when Bush has to decide.

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If Bush were to decide to pardon Libby, he would have to short-circuit the normal process. Under Justice Department guidelines, Libby would not qualify for a pardon. The guidelines require applicants to wait at least five years after being released from prison. The review process after the submission of an application typically can take two years before a decision is made. During more than six years in office, Bush has pardoned just 113 people, nearly a modern low, and never anyone who had not yet completed his sentence. He has commuted three sentences.

But the president's power to pardon federal crimes under Article II of the Constitution is essentially unrestricted, so he can ignore the guidelines. Other presidents who did so stirred furors, most prominently when Gerald R. Ford pardoned his Watergate-stained predecessor, Richard M. Nixon; when George H.W. Bush issued his Iran-contra pardons; and when Bill Clinton in his last hours in office pardoned financier Marc Rich, Whitewater figure Susan McDougal, his brother Roger Clinton and scores of others.

The current president has not ruled out a Libby pardon but tried to put off discussion of it. Informed of the sentence while traveling in Europe yesterday, Bush sent out a spokeswoman to say that he "felt terrible for the family" but would wait to see what happens when Walton holds a hearing next week on whether Libby goes to prison during his appeal. "The president has not intervened so far in this or any other criminal matter, and so he is going to decline to do so now as well," Dana Perino told reporters aboard Air Force One.

Cheney's office declined to comment beyond giving a statement in which he praised Libby and expressed hope that he would avoid prison. "The defense has indicated it plans to appeal the conviction in the case," Cheney said. "Speaking as friends, we hope that our system will return a final result consistent with what we know of this fine man."
So, it takes this to make this administration squirm. Nice. At least a decision either way should make for some good theater.


*Meaningless gray positive non-rep boxes in perpetuity for anyone who knows where this line's from. And, felt like getting a piece of the asterisk schtick while it was still in vogue.
post #2 of 107
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Originally Posted by Trav McGee
*Meaningless gray positive non-rep boxes in perpetuity for anyone who knows where this line's from. And, felt like getting a piece of the asterisk schtick while it was still in vogue.
Firesign Theater?


Anyways, it's going to be interesting to see which way Bush goes with this.
post #3 of 107
To paraphrase Colbert, "Finally, the one-man taint on the Bush white house has been purged."
post #4 of 107
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
Firesign Theater?
Winner. Good grief but that was impressive.

...Here's hoping Bush denies the pardon, and disgruntled Libby turns canary. Expect Cheney's corner to do nothing but compose paeans for "this fine man" convicted of lying to federal investigators.
post #5 of 107
Tough spot for the Bush Administration. Libby will definitely get a pardon in January 2009. What would the political fallout be for a pardon now? On the heals of the Jefferson indictment and in a non-election year, the political consequences may not be so bad for a lame-duck administration. But it would be a slap in the face to our justice system to keep Libby out of jail after a jury trial and conviction with no sentence yet served. I'm with Jacob. I'll be interested to see which way this one goes.
post #6 of 107
Libby won't have to wait until '09 for a pardon*. They have no choice, and have proved themselves shameless. They have nothing to lose. Justice loses, but Libby's transgressions allowed much bigger fish to get away from justice anyway.

*edited to add: unless the judge allows Libby to stay out of prison pending his appeal, then it will just be a waiting game pending the inevitable pardon.
post #7 of 107
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Originally Posted by Trav McGee
Winner. Good grief but that was impressive.
Eh, not so much -- in olden times, I could often be found hunkered down in the library at NCSA, headphones on, snickering uncontrollably at their albums. Vinyl
albums...

"Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers!
post #8 of 107
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
Eh, not so much -- in olden times, I could often be found hunkered down in the library at NCSA, headphones on, snickering uncontrollably at their albums. Vinyl
albums...

"Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers!
I love it when Singer tells us stories of olden times.
post #9 of 107
I was flipping radio channels and stopped on a conservative talk host going off on how the entire Libby case was an example of a prosecutor realizing the crime he was empowered to investigate didn't happen so he just kept digging until he found something to try to smear the administration with.

Why does that sound so naggingly familiar....
post #10 of 107
Ethically, Bush should recuse himself from any discussion of pardoning Libby since his office was involved in the crime, but that never stopped him from doing anything he wanted to before, so whatever.

I'd be surprised if Bush pardoned him this quickly. It would be a total undercutting of the judicial branch's authority, which Bush is more than happy to do... when no one is looking.
post #11 of 107
Pardon....Pardon....Pardon
post #12 of 107
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
Eh, not so much -- in olden times, I could often be found hunkered down in the library at NCSA, headphones on, snickering uncontrollably at their albums. Vinyl
albums...

"Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers!
Not to keep going off-topic in my own thread, but this was my first "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ___ again." Funny how that applies when my givings mean shit.

Bless you, sir, with a thousand blessings.

Anyway, as referenced in the snipped portion of the second link, here's the shocking National Review's take:

Pardon Him

And my favorite, from the Weekly Standard, Who, Me? from which the Post already pulled the best quote:

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So much for loyalty, or decency, or courage. For President Bush, loyalty is apparently a one-way street; decency is something he's for as long as he doesn't have to take any risks in its behalf; and courage--well, that's nowhere to be seen. Many of us used to respect President Bush. Can one respect him still?
As safe as beating on Bush is these days, I can't help but cry, Oh, please splinter more, far-right, splinter splinter splinter.

Next Republican debate, if the candidates aren't asked for a yes/no answer whether Bush should pardon Libby I'm callin' shenanigans.
post #13 of 107
Bush commutes sentence
Still probation and fine but no jail. This will make is base happy.
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post #15 of 107
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So much for loyalty, or decency, or courage. For President Bush, loyalty is apparently a one-way street; decency is something he's for as long as he doesn't have to take any risks in its behalf; and courage--well, that's nowhere to be seen. Many of us used to respect President Bush. Can one respect him still?
People used to respect him?
post #16 of 107
People already tired themselves out when Paris tried to walk. No way to get the energy back up for this non-debutante.

Seriously - you can't make this kind of stuff up. Who would believe you? If it was fiction, it would be written off as sloppy parody.
post #17 of 107
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Originally Posted by Bush
Statement by the President


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The United States Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit today rejected Lewis Libby's request to remain free on bail while pursuing his appeals for the serious convictions of perjury and obstruction of justice. As a result, Mr. Libby will be required to turn himself over to the Bureau of Prisons to begin serving his prison sentence.

I have said throughout this process that it would not be appropriate to comment or intervene in this case until Mr. Libby's appeals have been exhausted. But with the denial of bail being upheld and incarceration imminent, I believe it is now important to react to that decision.

From the very beginning of the investigation into the leaking of Valerie Plame's name, I made it clear to the White House staff and anyone serving in my administration that I expected full cooperation with the Justice Department. Dozens of White House staff and administration officials dutifully cooperated.

After the investigation was under way, the Justice Department appointed United States Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois Patrick Fitzgerald as a Special Counsel in charge of the case. Mr. Fitzgerald is a highly qualified, professional prosecutor who carried out his responsibilities as charged.

This case has generated significant commentary and debate. Critics of the investigation have argued that a special counsel should not have been appointed, nor should the investigation have been pursued after the Justice Department learned who leaked Ms. Plame's name to columnist Robert Novak. Furthermore, the critics point out that neither Mr. Libby nor anyone else has been charged with violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act or the Espionage Act, which were the original subjects of the investigation. Finally, critics say the punishment does not fit the crime: Mr. Libby was a first-time offender with years of exceptional public service and was handed a harsh sentence based in part on allegations never presented to the jury.

Others point out that a jury of citizens weighed all the evidence and listened to all the testimony and found Mr. Libby guilty of perjury and obstructing justice. They argue, correctly, that our entire system of justice relies on people telling the truth. And if a person does not tell the truth, particularly if he serves in government and holds the public trust, he must be held accountable. They say that had Mr. Libby only told the truth, he would have never been indicted in the first place.

Both critics and defenders of this investigation have made important points. I have made my own evaluation. In preparing for the decision I am announcing today, I have carefully weighed these arguments and the circumstances surrounding this case.

Mr. Libby was sentenced to thirty months of prison, two years of probation, and a $250,000 fine. In making the sentencing decision, the district court rejected the advice of the probation office, which recommended a lesser sentence and the consideration of factors that could have led to a sentence of home confinement or probation.

I respect the jury's verdict. But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr. Libby is excessive. Therefore, I am commuting the portion of Mr. Libby's sentence that required him to spend thirty months in prison.

My decision to commute his prison sentence leaves in place a harsh punishment for Mr. Libby. The reputation he gained through his years of public service and professional work in the legal community is forever damaged. His wife and young children have also suffered immensely. He will remain on probation. The significant fines imposed by the judge will remain in effect. The consequences of his felony conviction on his former life as a lawyer, public servant, and private citizen will be long-lasting.

The Constitution gives the President the power of clemency to be used when he deems it to be warranted. It is my judgment that a commutation of the prison term in Mr. Libby's case is an appropriate exercise of this power.

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In other words, you have to submit to the rule of law. We don't.
post #18 of 107
Good to know that for the price of a starter home in the suburbs you can commit treason.

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF HIS REPUTATION?!?
post #19 of 107

"The reputation he gained through his years of public service and professional work in the legal community is forever damaged," Bush said.

Oh, boo bloody hoo. What about the damage to the professional reputations of his victims thanks to Libby's actions? Gah!
post #20 of 107
What fucking balls this man has...

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I respect the jury’s verdict. But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr. Libby is excessive. Therefore, I am commuting the portion of Mr. Libby’s sentence that required him to spend thirty months in prison
I really hope people howl in rage at this one...This sounds more like the statement of a king than a citizen-executive. What an asshole.
post #21 of 107
They fucking won't. I guess its ok to lie to federal prosecutors on issues of national security, obstruct justice, out covert agents and basically run roughshod over the rule of law as long as you're a Bushie.

Just when I though Bush had run out of ways to embody a complete lack of ethics, he does this.
post #22 of 107
You have to see it from Rove's point of view: a lot of underlings are going to have to lie in ongoing and upcoming investigations. They need to know that it's OK to lie when it comes to covering up the crimes of their bosses.
post #23 of 107
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Originally Posted by Some Dick
His wife and young children have also suffered immensely. He will remain on probation. The significant fines imposed by the judge will remain in effect. The consequences of his felony conviction on his former life as a lawyer, public servant, and private citizen will be long-lasting.
He's now a "senior advisor at the Hudson Institute, with a focus on issues relating to Asia."

That poor man. How will he feed his family? Maybe he can sell his plasma. Who's gonna be the first to start taking up a collection? Is it too soon to name a scholarship after him, what with his intense and ongoing suffering? Will he have to sell his children into Asian slavery where they will likely be raped by bears? Or will he just kind of sit around on his ass and wait for the movie deal?
post #24 of 107
We are living in a world where Paris Hilton has served more jail time than Scooter Libby. Didn't see that one coming.
post #25 of 107
Maybe you should push for a political system that doesn't allow the president to commute a sentence or pardon someone. You know, keeping the estates separated.

I know it would seriously mess up any future seasons of 24 and piss off Justice Scalia but I really think it's a good idea.
post #26 of 107
How...unsurprising.
post #27 of 107
Considering the rhetoric from the right, it really isn't. They found their reality-bending spin and hammered away. Libby's a victim and Valerie Plame is lucky that they outted her. It makes me violently ill.
post #28 of 107
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Originally Posted by the howler monkey in charge
Furthermore, the critics point out that neither Mr. Libby nor anyone else has been charged with violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act or the Espionage Act, which were the original subjects of the investigation.
Kind of like how an investigation into possible real estate fraud somehow became about Clinton getting a blowjob?
post #29 of 107
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Originally Posted by Dranbon
We are living in a world where Paris Hilton has served more jail time than Scooter Libby. Didn't see that one coming.
Sadly I did.

I would like to think this would send people into a uproar and that finally someone is held accountable in Washington for this kind of bullshit.

Do I think the uproar will happen.....Of course not.....Do I think Bush will finally be put in place.....No.

19 more months of this stupidity.....And then god only knows what we're gonna end up with.
post #30 of 107
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Originally Posted by Schwartz
How...unsurprising.
But none the less still upsetting.
post #31 of 107
You know, I've been wondering how Bush hasn't been assassinated yet. Seriously. I'm not saying he should be or anything it's just with all the shit he's pulled and his administration has pulled how has Cheney not been shot? Or Bush? JFK and RFK get killed for doing what? Literally making America and the world better. It doesn't make any sense.

You'd think this would outrage American citizens and politicians enough to call for an impeachment but it ain't gonna happen. The Democrats still don't have the balls to push for that and keep pushing for it and the U.S. citizens are so scared shitless that terrorists will win if their dumb fuck of a President is impeached that they'd rather stay home and watch American Idol.
post #32 of 107
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Originally Posted by Brendan
You know, I've been wondering how Bush hasn't been assassinated yet.
Three words

President Dick Cheney.
post #33 of 107
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Originally Posted by Dranbon
We are living in a world where Paris Hilton has served more jail time than Scooter Libby. Didn't see that one coming.
That'd be great if, when dragged off to prison, Scooter Libby said "MOM!"
post #34 of 107
Olbermann just named Bush today's worst person in the world and then announced that tomorrow he will have a special comment.....Calling for the President and Vice President of the United States to resign.

That should be fun.
post #35 of 107
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Originally Posted by DJ HiPPiE
Three words

President Dick Cheney.
What would be different? Cheney and Co. run the country any way. Bush doesn't do dick all except be an idiot and get lots of money for signing shit that gives more money to his friends.
post #36 of 107
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Originally Posted by Brendan
You know, I've been wondering how Bush hasn't been assassinated yet. Seriously. I'm not saying he should be or anything it's just with all the shit he's pulled and his administration has pulled how has Cheney not been shot? Or Bush? JFK and RFK get killed for doing what? Literally making America and the world better. It doesn't make any sense.
No one wants to make him a martyr.
post #37 of 107
JFK was shaking society up. Bush is keeping the status quo. You don't get shot for keeping the status quo.
post #38 of 107
If anyone was wondering what a "compassionate conservative" does, this would be it.
post #39 of 107
You also have to love how Bush snuck this out via a written statement during what's probably going to be the laziest week of the year.
post #40 of 107
Fun thing is that this will probably rank lower than some Paris Hilton newsitem in your media tomorrow.
post #41 of 107
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Originally Posted by Bitches Leave
Fun thing is that this will probably rank lower than some Paris Hilton newsitem in your media tomorrow.
Actually, tomorrow's news items will probably deal with various 4th of July preparations.
post #42 of 107
I think I saw this "pardon", excuse me, "commutation", from a mile away, but this news still pisses me off. As if Bush doesn't have enough evidence showing us that he is above the law already.
post #43 of 107
The administration has nothing to lose now, and since they're cornered, I'm betting we're in for well over a year of some the most egregious abuses of power in American history.
post #44 of 107
And Frank said this administration wasn't dependable.
post #45 of 107
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Originally Posted by Bitches Leave
Fun thing is that this will probably rank lower than some Paris Hilton newsitem in your media tomorrow.
The Danish monarchy is at least as bad. Say what you will about our monkey in chief , but how many kroner a year go to that charade?
post #46 of 107
Since no one's mentioned it yet, Rove's security clearance was re-upped today. Yep, this day was one for the history books.
post #47 of 107
Who cares? Lindsey Lohan turned 21 today!
post #48 of 107
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
The administration has nothing to lose now, and since they're cornered, I'm betting we're in for well over a year of some the most egregious abuses of power in American history.
And they got the Supreme Court to get away with it!
post #49 of 107
cough, Canadian work visa, cough!
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Originally Posted by Minsky
The Danish monarchy is at least as bad. Say what you will about our monkey in chief , but how many kroner a year go to that charade?

About 100 million. The estimated PR value is set at more than a billion, so what's your point?
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