The strange predjudices of the young geek generation.

This isn't comics or movie-related, but I got into a similar argument with this twenty-year old about Public Enemy. He claimed to be a "true" hip-hop fan, but dismissed P.E. as "stupid". He'd also never heard of Kool Keith. I just turned around and walked away, rubbing my temples. P.E. "stupid". Alright.

"Fuckin' young cunt. I hope he dies!" - Louis C.K.

Wow. Did you ask the sad, sad teen who he thought represented "true" hip hop?

All the young people I know who talk the talk (i.e. know a lot about film and read comics) just want to talk about Tony Scott movies and 300 all day long. In other words, to quote Bart Simpson: "We need another Vietnam, that'll thin out their ranks."

Bro I so feel what you're talking about. I've had young kids try and tell me that Eric B. and Rakim were nothing next to (insert whatever hip-hop MTV has decided to play on that day.) So many of these kids think hip hop is good now when in all honesty it's become so commercial as to sound watered down compared to old school stuff. Where's todays De La Soul? I could go on but I might get depressed if I have to keep thinking about it.

Movie opinions are subjective, like taste in food.

Everyone was stupid at that age, I was, you were, and thank god. Who wants to look back on their life and say "man I was a lot smarter and had much better taste when I was a teenager"?

But don't you have to first watch a movie before having an opinion on it? I'm referring to the guy that watched FF2 but refuses to watch Spiderman.

He didn't have an opinion on it, He had some unknown hang up about it. Maybe he hates Toby Mcguire, maybe he hates Spiderman, maybe he hates the Evil dead movies, maybe he thinks that if Ashton Kutcher isn't playing Spidey then no-one should, maybe he thinks spiderman is such a sacred property that it should never be adapted. There are potentialy millions of dumb teen reasons to not go see a movie.

hell, I enjoyed FF2 more then Spiderman 3 just for the simple fact that I was expecting more out of Spiderman then FF. In the long run I had more fun with FF2 and Spiderman 3 just annoyed the hell out of me.

and how can you be a movie geek and not even see "The Thing" WTF....

Personal affinity is subjective. Appraisal of quality not so much. I have no problem with the kid who has no interest in seeing X movie, even though they watched the first act and can acknowledge how well made the film is. I do that all the time, I'll come around to actually watching the thing later when I'm interested.

The kid who constantly talks shit about this or that, good or bad I really don't have a problem with either, because that is a kid. That's what they do. I said stupid bullshit like that when I was a kid, it's a way to challenge authority. The actual subject is pretty irrelevant.

The 20 year old who still says things like that has head-in-ass disease. Or left-foot-still-in-childhood disease.

Right, that's pretty ridiculous. But I'm pretty sure that can chalk up to the stubborn teen geek. He'd probably not seen anything before 1990, and he doesn't feel he has to. But when he's growing older, he'll run into more and more people recommending it, and one day he'll rent it or watch it on TV, sit down and say..

Keith David is badass.

That pretty much describes a lot of classmates in my past three years of college. It doesn't help to be going to school for sequential art either. Because now these guys have this chip on their shoulder like they suddenly have the right to talk shit about something they've never seen simply for the fact that it's related to their major.

Not to mention how close minded some of these kids are. They never want to go and read/watch/listen to something that they normally wouldn't. If there was one thing that i learned in school so far it's been to never close yourself off to one specific path. A lot of the people I'm around have done this and it's rather sad. Now i just find myself ignoring them, because they sound like a broken record.

It could be the other way around, where everyone keeps telling him any true film buff loves the Thing, The thing is the greatest movie of all time how could you have not seen it etc. So he's rebelling against being told what he has to watch in order to be considered a film geek.

You know, it's that very thing (no pun intended) that caused me to put off watching it until I met somebody who actually had a print of it on film, just because that's cool. I enjoyed the badass characters and the shock value of the effects, but I can actually understand it not being appealing to a lot of people. I've also been a fan of the Hawks Carrot Man version since I was a very small child, so that might have played into my early lack of interest in a remake.

I think it has alot to do with what we had to please ourselves with growing up. Starlog, Fangoria, G.I.Joe, Transformers, M.A.S.K., Go Bots and if you were lucky you had a C64 or 2600 or NES. Then we had solid flicks like Raiders, Aliens, Full Metal Jacket, Khan, Untouchables, Die Hard etc. Shit most people were lucky to have cable and a betamax with a copy of The Black Hole that you would watch over and over....

Sorry lost track. You know as a kid you read an article on a new ST movie or saw a cool poster for something in the theater and you would be jazzed until it came out. Shit I saw a one page add for Buckaroo Banzi in a comic book and Iwas DYING to see it after that There was really little to zero outside influence at the time. I know I would go to the movies and see the same shit over a whole summer (Raiders 6 times, Jedi like 11 times, Robocop every weekend for like 3 months) now most flicks are gone in 2wo weeks unless they make a gazzilion dollars opening weekend.

Kids and young adults these days have so much bullshit on there platter I dont think they have time to appreciate anything before moving on to the next fad. Before ANY movie comes out it is scrutinized down to the costumes. Myspace, Internet, Cell Phones, Consoles, PC's, parents who have to dress there kids in $60 sneakers when there 6 years old and all this other bullshit. The fact that most kids can't name 5 or more presidents or dont know who Paul McCartney is just shows how twisted our little younglings have become. Just listen to any Pop station and its stunningly bad music then there is 1500 rock bands that all dress/sound the same. Its just a sad state of affairs.

We have a 22 year old guy at my work who tells me we have the same taste in movies and so one day I quote some Tombstone and he looks at me like he lost his mom. He didnt know WTF I was talking about. I ask him if he had seen Tombstone and he says "I hate Westerns". I then ask him about Unforgiven, Magnifecent Seven etc and he really hasn't seen shit! I wanted to punch the guy in his kneecaps.

Oh, and yes John Carpenters The Thing is required viewing for any self respecting Horror/Movie fan.

I agree with you guys that the kid doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about and needs to be pistol whipped, but here's a thought. What did you products of the '80s think about movies from two decades prior? If someone told you a million times over that The Dirty Dozen or The Guns Of Navarone were the most badass movies ever did you acknowledge this or did you roll your eyes thinking they must be antiquated idiots?

I don't know about others but I absolutely adored The Dirty Dozen even when I was younger.

These kids today with the poke and the mon and da blah blah blah!

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And turn his head into a canoe.

Don't know about "better", but "rather listen to"? Yes.

Oh, and kids today blah blah blah...

Actually thanks to the internet you'd think today's teens would have greater appreciation for things of old then we did, since it's so easy now to dig up information and video/audio clips at the touch of a button.

It's all this bullshit specialization. When I have a kid, he's getting no IPod, no cell phone, and I'm sending him into record stores blindfolded, and whatever he accidentally buys, he's fucking listening to it.

Yeah, my generation sucks.

See, that's what I'm about. It can go either way. Unfortunately, it's easier to not care so that's what most will do.

I hate Ironic Appreciation, I'm pretty sure it existed before, but now it's everywhere and it seems to have become the bastion of people my age.

Blindfolded.

Your'e different. You're an 18 year old with 6 green rep boxes on the CHUD message boards. You are a freak of nature.

I'm 33 now, soon to outlive Jesus himself, and I am officially constantly annoyed by most people your age, Patrick. But I'm talking about the rabble, not the freaks.

How ironic. But honestly, I'm all about sincerity.

One thing you have to remember about young people who want to be cool is that they are always afraid to say they like something for fear that "something" is not cool in the eyes of their peers. It's much safer to say that something is uncool, and to make fun of it. And that's quite insincere.

But you know, I have a friend who is my age who hasn't grown out of that. I don't even know what he likes anymore. He disses almost everything, most especially things he knows nothing about or doesn't understand. And he's like 33 years old. Arrested development. He can't get laid either, big surprise.

Even more ironic: Complaining about someone bitching out a movie he hasn't seen, while posting on the message board for Cinematic Happenings Under Development

I can't help it if I "Ripple with Charm and Deliciousness".

Pretending to not know shit is just as bad.

Back in high school, there were the occasional days in Economics where we didn't do shit. For such occasions, there were board games. Me and two other classmates started playing Star Wars Monopoly. I picked Han. Another player picked Darth Vader. He said, "Uhh, I'll pick guy man here. I dunno his name."

I fucking flipped.

"It's Darth fucking Vader! I don't care if you never seen the movies before. That's like not knowing who Mickey Mouse is. Quit pretending to not know shit, ass."

I'm 19 and most of my friends have pretty dubious taste in movies, especially older ones. Even the people my age who will go see movies like Zodiac, don't appreciate movies like The Thing or even Die Hard, often because they consider their taste "above" what they percieve to be a cheesey '80s relics. It's really annoying and pretty snobby, especially when they insist on the virtues of movies like Snakes on a Plane, which, ironic or not, is a piece of shit.

It's that classically annoying question you hear at the video store when someone is given a recommendation: "Yeah but is it new?"

I have to agree that most of it stems from the modern youth having a million different things they can do at any given time. They aren't interested in old movies because there are too many new ones for them to look at. On the same note a lot of young people won't watch older movies simply because they don't look like modern ones. I have two younger brothers and even though I have tried to foster their recognition of quality, the battle is constant because idiot friends tell them the old movies are lame.