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post #1 of 69
6/20/07 at 6:01am
Thread Starter 
Dear Mitch Kupchak,

Please keep Kobe Bryant out of the following cities:

Chicago
Detroit
Orlando.

Thanks,

Jeremy Smith
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post #2 of 69
6/20/07 at 6:25am
Keep his ass in L.A. I can hate him just fine there.
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post #3 of 69
6/20/07 at 11:23am
I'd be happy to see Kobe go to the Wizzle, the Grizzle, the Kings, or Cambodia. Also any team to be coached by Mike Krzyzewski (jesus, can I buy a vowel?). Keep him the hell away from the Spurs.
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post #4 of 69
6/20/07 at 11:25am
Yeah, please keep him far away from the Bulls.
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post #5 of 69
6/23/07 at 3:17am
Unsurprisingly, Cleveland is going to be making a big push for a sidekick to LeBron--Jason Richardson, Rashard Lewis, Zach Randolph, and Shawn Marion have all been mentioned.

Also, the Suns are mulling over the idea of a trade for Kevin Garnett. Which would pretty much have to involve Marion somehow. Surpisingly (to me), the inside word is that Stoudamire isn't viewed by the Suns as "untouchable" in a possible KG trade.

Of course, the Kobe trade (which I'm now fairly convinced will actually happen at some point; for the Lakers' sake, hopefully sooner--like before the draft on Thursday--than later) will potentially shake up most of the NBA trade landscape.
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post #6 of 69
6/23/07 at 1:40pm
I think Garnett recently turned down a deal to Boston for Al Jefferson and company... so many names on the trading block this offseason. Should be awfully colorful.
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post #7 of 69
6/23/07 at 3:10pm
I was looking forward to fast paced billy-ball action in O-Town, but now it looks like we're gonna get slow paced half court offense and emphasis on the D, thanks to stan van american.

kobe ain't going nowhere. who's gonna pick up that $80+ million tab? maybe if the Knicks can deal Francis, Marbury, Crawford AND Richardson to LA for Kobe. And Dolan is dumb enough to do such a thing.
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post #8 of 69
6/23/07 at 3:54pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Madman Mundt
Unsurprisingly, Cleveland is going to be making a big push for a sidekick to LeBron--Jason Richardson, Rashard Lewis, Zach Randolph, and Shawn Marion have all been mentioned.

Also, the Suns are mulling over the idea of a trade for Kevin Garnett. Which would pretty much have to involve Marion somehow. Surpisingly (to me), the inside word is that Stoudamire isn't viewed by the Suns as "untouchable" in a possible KG trade.

Of course, the Kobe trade (which I'm now fairly convinced will actually happen at some point; for the Lakers' sake, hopefully sooner--like before the draft on Thursday--than later) will potentially shake up most of the NBA trade landscape.
Kobe's got his hand-puppet Ric Bucher declaring the trade inevitable, which leads me to believe it ain't happening (when has an ESPN "insider" ever gotten anything right?; although, Kupchak's incompetent and desperate enough to do something stupid.

Ferry's got the okay from Gilbert to get into the luxury tax. Marion's a definite possibility. Rashard Lewis, on the other hand, doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The guy can score, but he also plays LeBron's position. And, as most Cavs fans have known for two years now, LeBron needs to be receiving the ball in the post rather than pounding it outside the perimeter, thus allowing opposing defenses to load up on him.

I do think the Cavs will get Steve Blake. He's the right kind of pass-first PG the team needs.
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post #9 of 69
6/24/07 at 1:53am
i love that the anti-kobe brigade is calling for kobe to stay out of their towns...

ANY GM in the league would want Kobe on their team...except for maybe Denver (for obvious reasons). And frankly, I am sure Paxon is licking his lips at the prospect of kobe in chicago and willing to do whatever it takes to get him there

Then again, I dont believe kobe will ever be traded.
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post #10 of 69
6/27/07 at 11:25am
No he's not. For the Bulls to get Kobe, they'd need to gut their team to the point where they'd be worse than the Lakers were last year. It's a stupid move. Not to mention, Kobe doesn't play into the kind of ball the Bulls play, and Paxon is one of the few guys who has proven that he'll stick to his guns when it comes to personnel choices.
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post #11 of 69
6/27/07 at 4:56pm
Garnett to Phoenix? Stoudemire to Atlanta? SHENANIGANS!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns
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post #12 of 69
6/27/07 at 5:05pm
no way Garnett is worth 2 top 11 picks at this point in his career. Luckily for the Wolves Phoenix doesn't need a rookie and Atlanta is in need of a star.

I hope it goes through only to see Kobe cry.

This type of trade is also the only way to get Kobe off the Lakers. And if the KG trade goes through he'll really want out.
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post #13 of 69
6/27/07 at 5:43pm
Why the HELL would Phoenix want to trade Amare? He's the perfect fit for what they run. That would be asinine.
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post #14 of 69
6/27/07 at 5:46pm
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
no way Garnett is worth 2 top 11 picks at this point in his career. Luckily for the Wolves Phoenix doesn't need a rookie and Atlanta is in need of a star.
Are you insane? Unless you have one of the top 2 picks in the draft, a smart GM would trade 5 picks in the top 11 to get Garnett. Teams pray that one of the guys they draft would be anywhere near the player he is, so if you can get him instead of Joakim Noah and Brandan Wright, you make the fucking trade.

Not to mention, they're giving up the picks for Stoudemire, not Garnett.
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post #15 of 69
6/27/07 at 6:07pm
If Minnesota is being offered Amare, they would be stupid not to take the deal right now.

But for phoenix this seems like a desperation move. Their nucleus is strong, like top team in the NBA strong. My guess is that they aren't willing to wait for Duncan and the spurs to lose a step and let age bring them down. Garnett does everything Amare does PLUS play strong defense and all the dirty work. Not to say Amare won't do that in the future, but if the Suns want to win now...which they have to because Nash has a lot of miles on him, this deal makes sense.

Although, as a Laker fan, I am PRAYING that LA ups their offer here. Give Minnesota whatever they want. KG needs to be in LA, or like Anya said Kobe is really going to want out.
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post #16 of 69
6/27/07 at 7:46pm
I've heard that about the Suns being nervous/not wanting to stand pat. I don't get it. If they had lost to the Spurs straight up I could see getting antsy. But if the general public feels like circumstance kinda screwed them, certainly they have to feel that way. So why be desperate? Garnett might be a little better than Amare, but basically they have the same skill set and Amare is, what, 8 years younger? Makes no sense.
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post #17 of 69
6/28/07 at 2:18am
Thread Starter 
Nash only has a couple more years of Nash-like ball left with that back. The Suns need to win now, and Garnett is better than Amare at present. I'd rather go with a superstar who's rarely injured than a still-developing stud who's already had microfracture surgery.
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post #18 of 69
6/28/07 at 2:52am
I just don't think the dropoff is that great. I think this season showed they're more than ready to win now, and I'd rather replace one superstar in 3-4 years than two. But I guess that's easy for me to say since I don't have anything invested in the Suns winning.
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post #19 of 69
6/28/07 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by Bailey
I just don't think the dropoff is that great. I think this season showed they're more than ready to win now, and I'd rather replace one superstar in 3-4 years than two. But I guess that's easy for me to say since I don't have anything invested in the Suns winning.
I think it's tough to say they were 'more than ready to win now' when they didn't. Amare is a more explosive player right now, but Garnett is still a better all-around player. Dude does everything on the court and does it well.
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post #20 of 69
6/28/07 at 1:27pm
Draft is tonight.

There are an unusual amount of rumors going on and their could be a fair amount of wheeling and dealing (my money is on none of the major deals actually happening).

Oden is now a lock at 1 to Portland and Durant is going 2 to Seattle.

The Wildcard is what Atlanta does at 3.

My Hornets pick 13 and will more than likely take either Nick Young or Thaddeus Young.
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post #21 of 69
6/28/07 at 5:20pm
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Originally Posted by Clarence Beaks
Nash only has a couple more years of Nash-like ball left with that back. The Suns need to win now, and Garnett is better than Amare at present. I'd rather go with a superstar who's rarely injured than a still-developing stud who's already had microfracture surgery.
It's not as simple as, "Garnett does everything Amare does, he just does it better." Chemistry is a huge part of Phoenix's offense. You take Amare away, you lose one of the offense's biggest contributors and one of Nash's favorite and most familiar targets. They're arguably the best team in the league. It may work out for them, but the risk is too high. I agree with Bailey, it makes no sense.
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post #22 of 69
6/28/07 at 5:42pm
There's no argument one can have where they're the best team in the league when said league still includes the Spurs.
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post #23 of 69
6/28/07 at 5:59pm
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Originally Posted by Matt Sutton
Draft is tonight.
Really?

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Originally Posted by Matt Sutton
There are an unusual amount of rumors going on and their could be a fair amount of wheeling and dealing (my money is on none of the major deals actually happening).
Really?!

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Originally Posted by Matt Sutton
Oden is now a lock at 1 to Portland and Durant is going 2 to Seattle.
REALLY?!?!
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post #24 of 69
6/28/07 at 6:10pm
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Originally Posted by SevenYearItch
It's not as simple as, "Garnett does everything Amare does, he just does it better." Chemistry is a huge part of Phoenix's offense. You take Amare away, you lose one of the offense's biggest contributors and one of Nash's favorite and most familiar targets. They're arguably the best team in the league. It may work out for them, but the risk is too high. I agree with Bailey, it makes no sense.
I guess you missed the '05-06 season where Amare, Joe Johnson, and Q didn't even play for the Suns. Chemistry seemed to work out great that year. Garnett isn't a selfish enigma who would destroy their team. He'd make them better right now, which is what the Suns are probably thinking.
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post #25 of 69
6/28/07 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
There's no argument one can have where they're the best team in the league when said league still includes the Spurs.
People do it every day. Many are still heated over the commissioner suspending two of Phoenix's most effective players during the series with the Spurs. Many say the series would have been over that night if no suspension occurred. I agree, the Spurs are the best team in the league, but it's arguable to many.
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post #26 of 69
6/28/07 at 7:34pm
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Originally Posted by heLL pAso
I guess you missed the '05-06 season where Amare, Joe Johnson, and Q didn't even play for the Suns. Chemistry seemed to work out great that year. Garnett isn't a selfish enigma who would destroy their team. He'd make them better right now, which is what the Suns are probably thinking.
To be honest, I did miss it. You're bringing in a completely new player to the system. You're not losing players and continuing with the rest of your team. I don't think anyone has any notion that KG would cause any kind of trouble. Again, I said it may work out. But there's more to it than Player A > Player B, therefore, Player A is the best fit for the team.
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post #27 of 69
6/28/07 at 7:41pm
Anyone willing to make a prediction on crazy draft-night shenanigans?
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post #28 of 69
6/28/07 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by travishall456
Anyone willing to make a prediction on crazy draft-night shenanigans?
Kevin McHale will make a bad pick/move. Ainge as well. Paxson will pick a player from a big time program.

All safe predictions. I don't see the crazy trades happening untill after draft night. And even though I've never seen Yi Jianlian play I'd like the Bulls to take him. I like Noah but he doesn't score enough.
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post #29 of 69
6/28/07 at 9:08pm
So Ainge has the Celtics tank the 2nd half of the season to get Ray Allen. Brilliant, bold move. How is a 31 year old Vetran going to help in the long run? Ainge will get ripped for this.

And the Chinese guy goes to Milwaukee. Trade bait? didn't think the guy wanted to play there.
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post #30 of 69
6/28/07 at 9:53pm
Just like the night of the lottery, I couldn't help but laugh at the Celtics.
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post #31 of 69
6/28/07 at 9:54pm
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Originally Posted by flyarz
Just like the night of the lottery, I couldn't help but laugh at the Celtics.
Yeah, they really screwed the pooch this time.
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post #32 of 69
6/29/07 at 12:40am
after i got over the idea of Ray Allen being traded (took about 45 seconds), my immediate thought was...what the fuck is this going to do for the celtics?

Delonte west is a good player and its too bad they lost him, but when you think about it, a nucleus of Pierce, Allen, and Jefferson could do really well in the east. Granted pierce and allen are pretty much over the hill now, but the celtics could make a run at the playoffs with that team.

Still, the main problem is that Ainge has done nothing to address the long term situation of the celtics.

Also, Zach Randolph to NY. Portland is now a brand new team...and they look like they could immediately do some damage.
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post #33 of 69
6/29/07 at 1:19am
I like how Stephen A. Smith disagreed with pretty much everything Mark Jackson was saying.
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post #34 of 69
6/29/07 at 2:35pm
POrtland is just plain sick with talent. Best draft for a team in a long while.
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post #35 of 69
6/29/07 at 5:32pm
With Randolph the Knicks are over the salary-cap until 2011. Getting rid of Francis is a good thing, but I would have wanted to keep Frye.

The real improvement for the Knicks is they didn't have a player who would punch a teammate in the face, Randolph is that player.
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post #36 of 69
6/29/07 at 5:50pm
With Isiah around, they'll be over the cap forever.

It's gonna be fun to see Curry and Randolph try and co-exist.
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post #37 of 69
7/13/07 at 5:24pm
I must have fallen asleep, because look at the Bobcats! Felton, Okafor, Jason Richardson and Gerald Wallace? Christ, that's one mighty lineup.
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post #38 of 69
7/13/07 at 9:38pm
Hornets signed Morris Peterson to a 4 year, 23 million contract.

With a starting lineup of:

Paul
Peterson
Peja
West
Chandler

They are a playoff team, even in the West, barring the rash of injuries that plagued them last year.
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post #39 of 69
7/13/07 at 10:39pm
The Knicks keep on giving
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The New York Knicks can't be feeling very lucky on this Friday The Thirteenth.


Show Me The Money
Big spending doesn't always pay off. Just ask the New York Knicks. The Knicks, who missed the playoffs last season with a 33-49 mark, were strapped with a $45 million luxury-tax bill Friday. That means New York owes almost $40 million more than the second-highest paying team in the Mavs, who finished with the league's best record.
The Knicks have to give every team in the league a little over a million. Thank you Isiah.

Who will the Hornets leapfrog? If GS does what they did in the 2nd half they will be much improved. Denver will have Carmello for 15 more games and a full season of AI. Unless Kobe goes they may still miss.
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post #40 of 69
7/16/07 at 6:45pm
Ah, but the Nuggets probably won't have Marcus Camby... where's his big blockbuster contract?

Also, good on the Nets for pulling off what may be the offseason's best stealth deal- bringing in affordable Jamaal Magloire. I can't believe that Mikki Moore was asking- and got, from the Kings- $6 mil a year. Stunning. Also, I don't really watch the Nets that much, but Bostan Nachbar must be the real deal if they send Richard Jefferson to Indy for Jermaine O'Neal. And Indiana seems DESPERATE.

Chicago, re: Joe Smith two year deal. Um, You sure about that?
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post #41 of 69
7/20/07 at 11:11am
As if the NBA wasn't enough of a joke - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2943095

It's without a doubt the worst officiated sport, and now they're looking at refs who are betting on games and influencing outcomes. Top notch work, Stern.
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post #42 of 69
7/20/07 at 11:45am
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
As if the NBA wasn't enough of a joke - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2943095
Joey Crawford?
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post #43 of 69
7/20/07 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
As if the NBA wasn't enough of a joke - http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2943095

It's without a doubt the worst officiated sport, and now they're looking at refs who are betting on games and influencing outcomes. Top notch work, Stern.
What did I say earlier this year? That the NBA was the number five sport in the U.S.? We may have to ratchet that down a bit. Maybe seven if this scandal gets big enough.
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post #44 of 69
7/20/07 at 6:51pm
I expect Donaghy to pull a Eugene Pontecorvo.
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post #45 of 69
7/21/07 at 10:32pm
You can probably kiss any thoughts of a Las Vegas franchise goodbye.
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post #46 of 69
7/23/07 at 4:58am
Looks like Donaghy was one of the officials in that atrocious game three Spurs/Suns series (source, fantasyhurler.com).

This situation is ugly beyond belief. An article on ESPN pointed out that most people's reaction was "which one", not "I can't believe it". I really don't know if the NBA is going to be able to recover from this a decade or so, if at all. Bad officiating has long been a league-wide problem, but when you add in fixed games....wow.

Also, and this is completely non-related to this discussion, my parents reminded me today that Beau Bridges was my basketball coach back when I was in elementary school. I had completely forgotten. Now, back to your regularly scheduled thread discussion.
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post #47 of 69
7/24/07 at 6:37pm
To turn the conversation away from bad officials- because really, who gives a shit?- Apparently MJ just killed a deal to send Gerald Wallace to L.A., Lamar Odom to NJ and Richard Jefferson to Charlotte. Is it me, or would that have been great for everyone but Kobe Bryant?
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post #48 of 69
7/28/07 at 9:07pm
Curry robbed at Chicago home
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In the second such robbery in weeks of an NBA player with Chicago roots, New York Knicks center Eddy Curry and his family were robbed at gunpoint in his suburban Chicago home early Saturday morning.
He stole while he was in Chicago so this is only fair.

First Walker, now Curry. Look out Dickey Simpkins.
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post #49 of 69
7/30/07 at 6:24pm
If I cared, I guess Garnett going to Boston would be a big deal.
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post #50 of 69
7/30/07 at 6:42pm
It would be a huge deal, as, combined with the Ray Allen signing, it would mean Danny Ainge had, in the space of mere weeks, compensated for a lengthy history of bone-headed managerial moves.
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