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post #101 of 545
6/25/07 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by DaveB
I know there's some stereotyping about "hipsters," but I don't think "dumb" is really one of the key associated qualities. While some of that coffeeshop-and-thick-rim-glasses demographic may come off as obnoxious, patronizing, and overly affected, the average "hipster" is usually pretty skeptical when it comes to this sort of advertising.
It was a joke. I just find most hipsters to be silly.
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post #102 of 545
6/25/07 at 3:42pm
Count me in. I did a Chewer Christmas gift swap a few years ago and enjoyed the hell out of it.
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post #103 of 545
6/25/07 at 7:31pm
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Originally Posted by DaveB
I don't know about that. To winkingly establish cred may even be the intent, as you say, but I think the Carnival Cruise folks look more clueless than edgy when they use "Lust for Life."
Dammit, I thought it meant you could get smack once they were in international waters. Am I wrong?
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post #104 of 545
6/26/07 at 3:21pm
Geez. All this stress.

I'm sending stuff I think is interesting right now, and I'm shooting for some sort of musical continuity so that it all fits together nicely. If that means I follow up Van Halen with Barbera Dennerlein, and it does, so be it. I'll send it in whatever format my pigeon likes, but I hope they like mp3s because I can send more music that way.
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post #105 of 545
6/26/07 at 3:51pm
I'm in. Never did anything like this before, though. So Crow, be gentle.
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post #106 of 545
6/26/07 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
Geez. All this stress.

I'm sending stuff I think is interesting right now, and I'm shooting for some sort of musical continuity so that it all fits together nicely. If that means I follow up Van Halen with Barbera Dennerlein, and it does, so be it. I'll send it in whatever format my pigeon likes, but I hope they like mp3s because I can send more music that way.
Just so I know the limitations here: I thought mp3 data discs were out of the running, and we were talking about CD-player-ready formats only. I could be wrong, but I think that when you burn MP3s to a CD-player-ready format they're automatically converted to WAVs or something, anyway, meaning they take up exactly the same amount of space they would have had they been WAVs or CD tracks in the first place. In short, MP3, WAV, MPEG, whatever - when you burn it to an audio disc, you're basically dealing with about 80 minutes worth of music. No?
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post #107 of 545
6/26/07 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by DaveB
Just so I know the limitations here: I thought mp3 data discs were out of the running, and we were talking about CD-player-ready formats only. I could be wrong, but I think that when you burn MP3s to a CD-player-ready format they're automatically converted to WAVs or something, anyway, meaning they take up exactly the same amount of space they would have had they been WAVs or CD tracks in the first place. In short, MP3, WAV, MPEG, whatever - when you burn it to an audio disc, you're basically dealing with about 80 minutes worth of music. No?
Nope- I'm currently listening to a single CD-R populated with 95 tracks. I'd prefer to send and receive mp3 files for this reason, but I'm aware that some people may not be able to use them (although this case is not very likely).
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post #108 of 545
6/26/07 at 4:04pm
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1. Create an audio CD of songs you think somebody would want. New music, old music, your shitty garage band's demo, whatever. Sky's the limit.

2. CDA, WAV, or MP3 format only. No data discs, you lazy bastard/bitch you.
Going by the op's guidelines Data Discs are a no go.
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post #109 of 545
6/26/07 at 4:04pm
To continue the tangent, the weirdest Autumn I ever spent musically was about seven years ago. I was just getting into the Velvet Underground and Lou Reed (a 14 year old with his parent's record collection is a dangerous combination) when the BBC used Lou Reed's perfect day as their Charity Fund Raising song, getting tons of celebrities to sing a verse each. Subsequently this song was played on the Radio, all the time, in an effort to raise money for Children in Need .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXgRepmpmYI

The last shot of Lou Reed suggests that at least some people are in the sheer weirdness of the song choice.

Also: When do the Partner's get chosen?
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post #110 of 545
6/26/07 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by Minsky
Nope- I'm currently listening to a single CD-R populated with 95 tracks. I'd prefer to send and receive mp3 files for this reason, but I'm aware that some people may not be able to use them (although this case is not very likely).
Mp3-ready CD players aren't that ubiquitous. Especially in cars.
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post #111 of 545
6/26/07 at 4:20pm
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Originally Posted by Matt M
Mp3-ready CD players aren't that ubiquitous. Especially in cars.
True, but CD burners and blank CDs are ubiquitous. From there, any number of mp3s can be converted into car-friendly cds.

One more great reason to send mp3s: If I want to rip a copy from the non-data audio disk you send me, the quality of the song won't be nearly as good as the original mp3, since (keeping it simple) it's a copy of a copy. If you send me the mp3, any copies I make (for my own personal use in my mp3 player, of course) will be identical in quality as the one you sent me.
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post #112 of 545
6/26/07 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by Minsky
True, but CD burners and blank CDs are ubiquitous. From there, any number of mp3s can be converted into car-friendly cds.
Which ruins the whole concept of the "mix."

Rules say no data CDs.
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post #113 of 545
6/26/07 at 4:50pm
Well, you could simply burn them to a cd in the same order in which they appear on the data disk, but if you'd have lossy .wav files instead of mp3s to avoid that hassle, it's none of my business whatsoever. I guess we can work that out with our match.
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post #114 of 545
6/26/07 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by Matt M
Which ruins the whole concept of the "mix."
Gotta agree. A "mix" isn't a dump of your hard drive's mp3 contents. IMO, there's something to be said for discretion and taste in concocting a mix. It's not just "a huge bunch of cool songs."
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post #115 of 545
6/26/07 at 5:11pm
Are you guys still taking offers? If so, who wants a mix CD from me?!?
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post #116 of 545
6/26/07 at 5:14pm
I'll throw my hat in. Can't guarantee anything special, but what the hell.
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post #117 of 545
6/26/07 at 5:15pm
Edited to reflect my neglect of re-reading the first post. I was going to ask when the cut-off and pairings begin, but I now see that it is tomorrow.
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post #118 of 545
6/26/07 at 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by DaveB
Gotta agree. A "mix" isn't a dump of your hard drive's mp3 contents. IMO, there's something to be said for discretion and taste in concocting a mix. It's not just "a huge bunch of cool songs."
It could be two songs or fifty, but I'd still rather have a song in a lossless format. I guess I'm just Cuckoo for sound quality.
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post #119 of 545
6/26/07 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by DaveB
Just so I know the limitations here: I thought mp3 data discs were out of the running, and we were talking about CD-player-ready formats only. I could be wrong, but I think that when you burn MP3s to a CD-player-ready format they're automatically converted to WAVs or something, anyway, meaning they take up exactly the same amount of space they would have had they been WAVs or CD tracks in the first place. In short, MP3, WAV, MPEG, whatever - when you burn it to an audio disc, you're basically dealing with about 80 minutes worth of music. No?
[Pee Wee Herman]I DON'T KNOW![/PWH]

I know nothing about automatic converters; I've never made that happen with the software I have. I'm easy, I'll send whatever I'm asked to send. The rules say:

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CDA, WAV, or MP3 format only. No data discs, you lazy bastard/bitch you.
MP3 format seems okay. How this differs from a data disk eludes me.
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post #120 of 545
6/26/07 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by Minsky
It could be two songs or fifty, but I'd still rather have a song in a lossless format. I guess I'm just Cuckoo for sound quality.
Maybe I'm not up on my sound quality issues or something, but if I rip a track from a CD at the highest quality, burn it at the highest quality, then you rip that same track into an mp3 at the highest quality, there's seriously a perceptible difference in sound? It's not like I'd be recording vinyl to cassette or something here.
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post #121 of 545
6/26/07 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
MP3 format seems okay. How this differs from a data disk eludes me.
Good point. What the hell is a data disk?
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post #122 of 545
6/26/07 at 6:14pm
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
How this differs from a data disk eludes me.
Me, too. MP3 format is not readable by standard audio CD players, as far as I know. When you burn an audio (i.e. readable by a standard, old-fashioned, non-MP3-capable discman or car CD player) disc of MP3s using iTunes (or what-have-you), I'm pretty sure it automatically converts the files to WAV or CDA or something - old-fashioned CD players can read those, but not MP3s.

Maybe Crow can clarify what he meant by differentiating between data and MP3 discs.
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post #123 of 545
6/26/07 at 6:18pm
Part of the reason to steer clear of data discs is to also avoid having someone simply dump 50 or 60 songs onto a disc with no thought to theme or flow. You gotta kick off with a killer, to grab attention. Then you got to take it up a notch, but you don't wanna blow your wad, so then you got to cool it off a notch. There are a lot of rules.
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post #124 of 545
6/26/07 at 6:19pm
I'm think the rules are implying that it needs to be a standard 80 min audio disc, rather than cramming as many MP3s or other data files to fit the standard 750MB worth of data that a CD can hold.
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post #125 of 545
6/26/07 at 6:21pm
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Originally Posted by DaveB
Maybe I'm not up on my sound quality issues or something, but if I rip a track from a CD at the highest quality, burn it at the highest quality, then you rip that same track into an mp3 at the highest quality, there's seriously a perceptible difference in sound? It's not like I'd be recording vinyl to cassette or something here.
Every time I've done it, it's been painfully obvious.
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post #126 of 545
6/26/07 at 8:26pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jason P. Thompson
I'm think the rules are implying that it needs to be a standard 80 min audio disc, rather than cramming as many MP3s or other data files to fit the standard 750MB worth of data that a CD can hold.
Winner. Sorry for the MP3/WAV/CDA confusion, everyone, but yeah, all I meant was that this is a strictly audio CD affair and anyone thinking of burning a disc with thousands of computer friendly files is missing the point.

That said, anyone disappointed they can't send more music, remember that you can send three CDs at a time if you so desire. (and, not to spoil the surprise, but whoever is matched with me is getting just that)

Lastly, for those wondering, I stop taking sign-ups 6pm EST tomorrow, the pairings will be posted at 7pm. So, consider this last call.
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post #127 of 545
6/26/07 at 8:36pm
Is it silly that I am excited to get a mixtape from someone, because I am. I love blind music recommendations. Love 'em.
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post #128 of 545
6/26/07 at 8:51pm
I'm really excited to do this. I love making mixtapes.

Edited to ask: How are we going to decide who is paired with who?
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post #129 of 545
6/26/07 at 8:54pm
I make 256 kbps mp3s, and they sound pretty good to me. Not everything I send is pulled from my CD collection, though, so there are a few at a lower bit rate. If I send WAVs, I'll pull what I can right off the CDs and they'll be as lossless as can be.

Okayokayokay. Data Disc is apparently a burning option in iTunes. I just started with iTunes as I've been using other burning software before now, which I guess is why I never heard of it used this way before. iTunes says that clicking the Data Disc option will burn all files in the playlist to the disc, regardless of format. It allows for multi-format discs, I guess.

Whatever. I'll send what I'm asked to send.
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post #130 of 545
6/26/07 at 9:11pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jack C.
Edited to ask: How are we going to decide who is paired with who?
I'm putting a Secret Santa name randomizing program to good use. As much as I'd beat any one of you plus your family dog senseless to get a disc from DaveB, I've got the same chances as everyone else.
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post #131 of 545
6/26/07 at 9:14pm
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Originally Posted by David Stern
I'm putting a Secret Santa name randomizing program to good use. As much as I'd beat any one of you plus your family dog senseless to get a Ewing to the Knicks , they've got the same chances as everyone else.

I thought that sounded familiar.
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post #132 of 545
6/26/07 at 9:44pm
I rip all my music as 256 kb mp4s. Btw, we always have the option of IMing the data to each other. I would imagine that if my mix CD turns out gangbusters I'd like the files at some point.
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post #133 of 545
6/26/07 at 9:47pm
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun
I make 256 kbps mp3s, and they sound pretty good to me. Not everything I send is pulled from my CD collection, though, so there are a few at a lower bit rate. If I send WAVs, I'll pull what I can right off the CDs and they'll be as lossless as can be.
Unless you use FLAC or Apple Lossless 256 kbps/48k mp3s are your best bet. If you use dither when you burn them to a CD then you shouldn't get the distortion that Minsky is talking about hearing.
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post #134 of 545
6/26/07 at 9:54pm
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Originally Posted by Pop Zeus
I rip all my music as 256 kb mp4s. Btw, we always have the option of IMing the data to each other. I would imagine that if my mix CD turns out gangbusters I'd like the files at some point.
Then why wouldn't you just rip the CD to your hard drive?

I really don't care what format anybody is using. Once it's on the audio CD, if it's listenable, I'll listen to it.
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post #135 of 545
6/26/07 at 10:00pm
The only reason I brought this up is because I predominantly listen to music on my mp3 player, and ripping music that has already been burned from a heavily compressed source doubles the compression on the same audio frequencies makes the music sound like weirdness. Not a big deal since it could end up sounding okay depending on the bitrate, just throwing it out there.
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post #136 of 545
6/26/07 at 10:08pm
I'm halfway considering converting some vinyl and old, dubbed cassettes to WAV just to throw off the audiophiles here.
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post #137 of 545
6/26/07 at 10:21pm
Yeah, if I go through my dad's basement, I might still have some cassettes of stuff I recorded off the TV with a Radio Shack mike when I was twelve. I'd love to throw some of that on there.
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post #138 of 545
6/26/07 at 10:29pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
You gotta kick off with a killer, to grab attention. Then you got to take it up a notch, but you don't wanna blow your wad, so then you got to cool it off a notch. There are a lot of rules.
Yes! There is a skill to this. For that same reason of "listen to the whole disc" aesthetics, there might be a song or two you know - sometimes you need to be reminded of some good shit, or hear it in a certain context. Not personally invested in playing "most obscure collection".
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post #139 of 545
6/26/07 at 10:58pm
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Originally Posted by Greg David
Yeah, if I go through my dad's basement, I might still have some cassettes of stuff I recorded off the TV with a Radio Shack mike when I was twelve. I'd love to throw some of that on there.
In the interests of keeping it real, I'm dubbing in a non-stop farting orangutan.
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post #140 of 545
6/26/07 at 11:27pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
You gotta kick off with a killer, to grab attention. Then you got to take it up a notch, but you don't wanna blow your wad, so then you got to cool it off a notch. There are a lot of rules.
Rob? Rob Gordon? (Or was it Fleming? Sometimes I drank too much!)

I've been looking for you! You made me a killer mixed tape back when you used to DJ! Anyway, I've just broken up with my boyfriend, and I was hoping that maybe we could get together and talk about... things. You know, like how "The Chronic" had the number one all-time Solomon Burke sample and maybe why you and I never worked out?

ETA: Which is a roundabout way for me to say "I have to spread rep to give it to you again". If my rep, you know, actually counted.
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post #141 of 545
6/27/07 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by Crow
As much as I'd beat any one of you plus your family dog senseless to get a disc from DaveB, I've got the same chances as everyone else.
We all want a DaveB CD. But I pity the fool who will have to make him a mix CD. What the hell do you put on it ?

German-Japanese Techno-Pop ? Hungarian trash metal ?
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post #142 of 545
6/27/07 at 10:26am
I've already got my contingency plan in case I get DaveB: I'm just going to send him The Return of Bruno.
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post #143 of 545
6/27/07 at 10:34am
I think I would just send him $10.
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post #144 of 545
6/27/07 at 10:55am
With all this hype, there's no way my mix disc is going to be anything but underwhelming.
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post #145 of 545
6/27/07 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by DaveB
With all this hype, there's no way my mix disc is going to be anything but underwhelming.
You should send silence.
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post #146 of 545
6/27/07 at 11:10am
And the thing is, he would after that successfully debate the musical merits of it.
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post #147 of 545
6/27/07 at 12:23pm
If the chewer who draws DaveB would like some insight into what to send to him, you know where I am. But I might lie, just to toy with him/you. Hey, Dave, how about an asston of jam band stuff? Or whatever it was that they were playing on World Cafe last night that made you swear at the radio and turn it off?

I have had three mix discs from Dave, designed for me.* Don't listen to him and his false modesty - they're all hilarious.


*Librarian Mixes I-III. I got two of them - "Everyday I Write the Mix CD" and "The Mix CD I Read" for my birthday last week. As they are given to me without artists or song titles, I'm still working on figuring out the track listing. The only rule? Each song references a text or author and the songs are arranged in chronological order according to said reference. A mix CD that requires research - oh, yes.
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post #148 of 545
6/27/07 at 12:29pm
Do we start this today? How do we get partners? How does it work? I'm excited! I've got ideas and I've even been doing mixing some samples together (I make my own intros)...
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post #149 of 545
6/27/07 at 3:25pm
After we get our partners, how much time do we have before we have to send out our mix-CDs?
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post #150 of 545
6/27/07 at 3:36pm


Seven days.
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