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Dick Cheney claims he's not part of the executive branch

post #1 of 32
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He truly believes he's above the law. Can we please impeach him, at least?


http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1371


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Vice President Exempts His Office from the Requirements for Protecting Classified Information

The Oversight Committee has learned that over the objections of the National Archives, Vice President Cheney exempted his office from the presidential order that establishes government-wide procedures for safeguarding classified national security information. The Vice President asserts that his office is not an “entity within the executive branch.”

As described in a letter from Chairman Waxman to the Vice President, the National Archives protested the Vice President's position in letters written in June 2006 and August 2006. When these letters were ignored, the National Archives wrote to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales in January 2007 to seek a resolution of the impasse. The Vice President's staff responded by seeking to abolish the agency within the Archives that is responsible for implementing the President's executive order.

In his letter to the Vice President, Chairman Waxman writes: "I question both the legality and wisdom of your actions. ... [i]t would appear particularly irresponsible to give an office with your history of security breaches an exemption from the safeguards that apply to all other executive branch officials."

A fact sheet prepared by Chairman Waxman describes other instances in which the Vice President's office has sought to avoid oversight and accountability.

Here's that fact sheet, it's just appalling
http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20070621095118.pdf


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Fact Sheet
THE VICE PRESIDENT’S EFFORTS TO AVOID OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY
Rep. Henry A. Waxman
Chairman, Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

Since 2001, Vice President Cheney has made repeated efforts to shield the activities of his office from public scrutiny. These efforts include exempting his office from the presidential executive order governing the protection of classified information, challenging the right of the Government Accountability Office to examine the activities of the Vice President’s energy task force, and refusing to disclose basic facts about the operations of his office, such as the identity of the staff working in his office and the individuals who visit the Vice President’s residence.

Exempting the Office of the Vice President from the Executive Order on Classified National Security Information. Over the objections of the National Archives, Vice President Cheney exempted his office from Executive Order 12958, which establishes a uniform, government-wide system for safeguarding classified information. In response to the protests of the National Archives, the staff of the Vice President proposed abolishing the office within the Archives that is in charge of implementing the executive order.1


Blocking GAO Oversight. In 2001, Vice President Cheney headed a task force to develop a national energy policy. After GAO sought to learn the identity of the energy industry officials with whom the Vice President’s task force met, Vice President Cheney sued the Comptroller General to prevent GAO from conducting oversight of his office.


Concealing Privately-Funded Travel. Vice President Cheney has refused to comply with an executive branch ethics law requiring him and his employees to disclose travel paid for by special interests.


Withholding Information about Vice Presidential Staff. Every four years, Congress prints the “Plum Book,” listing the names and titles of all federal political appointees. In 2004, the Office of the Vice President, for the first time, refused to provide any information for inclusion in the book.4
Concealing Information about Visitors to the Vice President’s Residence. The Vice President has asserted “exclusive control” over any documents created by the United States Secret Service regarding visitors to the Vice President’s residence.5 This has the effect of preventing information about who is meeting with the Vice President from being disclosed to the public under the Freedom of Information Act.

Allowing Former Vice Presidents to Assert Privilege Over Documents. An Executive Order issued by President Bush in November 2001 provided the Vice President with the authority to conceal his activities long after he leaves office. Executive Order 13233 took the unprecedented step of authorizing former Vice Presidents to assert privilege over their own vice presidential records, preventing them from being released publicly.
post #2 of 32
I just checked Article II. It does not explicitly create the office of the Vice-Presidency, but considering that originally the guy who came in second place would become the vice president, and in the event of impeachment of the president the vice president assumes the role, it was pretty clear the framers intended that the vice-presidency be a creature of the executive.

Dick Cheney is a complete a-hole.
post #3 of 32
And Nixon wasn't a crook, either.
post #4 of 32
I'd love to come up with some well-reasoned, eloquent response to this news, but after 6+ years of the same tired old horseshit all I seem able to do is repeat "fuck these fucking fuckers."
post #5 of 32
This coupled with Tony Snow's assertion that Congress doesn't have oversight powers wrt the executive branch proves that these people have gone completely off the rails.

If I wasn't so grossed out by this, I'd be impressed at the Machiavellian perfection of the little fort of executive orders and informational black holes that they've built for themselves.

Fuck these fucking fuckers, indeed.
post #6 of 32
How many hits did google news come up with for this story?

Exactly one, and it appears to be a news release:
http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publis...le_59615.shtml

Correction: Olbermann is now reporting it: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/0...of-government/
post #7 of 32
Nice. "Vice President Dick Cheney is a rogue nation."
post #8 of 32
I'm starting to suspect that Dick Cheney is really just running some sort of stress test on the constitution at this point. I mean, he's been going going from ordinary political evil to cartoon super-villain evil lately.

Maybe this is all going to be revealed as a viral marketing campaign for his role as the villain in the Casino Royale sequel.
post #9 of 32
Someone needs to tell the GOP that Transmetropolitan is not a How To book.
post #10 of 32
Every time I read a new story like this about the administration, I really have to wonder "What's the endgame here?" Really. Obviously Cheney's more than likely breaking so laws here and this administration has all ready shown in the past other law-breaking, but I just don't understand the point in the longterm considering they leave office in January 2009 (I'm not going to entertain thoughts at this moment about something interrupting this)? Another group of people are going to come in and who's to say that they're going to just pick-up where Cheney and Bush left off? I'm really at a loss over this. Can anybody explain this to me?
post #11 of 32
donde, I think their main problem is they believe their own bullshit and in their own inerrancy. If you listen to them during interviews, especially the Sunday morning talk shows, you seldom hear them point out facts or actual accomplishments they've achieved -- they always say "I believe things are this way", or "I believe we're making progress in blah blah blah". People like Bush and (to a lesser extent) Cheney seem to believe they can just will things into reality.

I doubt they ever thought their ineptitude and corruption might (GASP!) lead to Democratic victories in the future.
post #12 of 32
Hey, I'm not part of the executive branch either!

Oh man, I have SO much graft and corruption to get to work on.
post #13 of 32
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Originally Posted by donde
Every time I read a new story like this about the administration, I really have to wonder "What's the endgame here?"
As Iraq can indicate, this administration has some trouble with the concept of an endgame.
post #14 of 32
I understand that the administration has a very "limited" view when it comes to dealing with reality and dealing with the concept of an endgame. It's just that it really seems like every time you hear one of people from the inner circle speak, it's as if they don't even believe there's going to be another administration after themselves. And that's kind of scary to me.
post #15 of 32
"Gentlemen, to evil!" /raises glass
post #16 of 32
Maybe not Cheney, but Bush is an evangelical Christian and believes end times are nigh. I think Cheney will just go back under the bridge whence he came and grumble "who is that trip trapping on my bridge?" for eternity.
post #17 of 32
Cheney's in it for the money. I predict money will somehow begin to flow once again from Halliburton to Cheney's vault once the need for the appearance of propriety (ha ha) is gone. Why else would he chair an energy meeting with corporate representatives then all but fire the records of that meeting into the sun? Why else is his former meal ticket getting a free ride regarding contracts in Iraq? Because Halliburton is the best there is at running a mess hall?
post #18 of 32
I look forward to seeing Cheney try to explain how he's not part of the executive branch. He's not legistlative, and he's not judicial. Executive is all that is left.

I'm beginning to worry these guys are not going to leave office easily, no matter who wins the election. I can see Cheney taking hostages to keep from being forced out of his office.
post #19 of 32
What will be fascinating (in an Ed Gein: America's Most Bizarre Murder-type way) will be reading the inevitable reports and nonfiction books that begin to dribble out in the wake of the Bush/Cheney administration once they start untangling and backtracing all the behaviors we've seen them, particularly Cheney, display.
post #20 of 32
I'm tellin' ya, this guy is one bald cat away from being a total stereotype.
post #21 of 32
Oh, come on! Karl still has a little hair...

post #22 of 32
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
I'm tellin' ya, this guy is one bald cat away from being a total stereotype.

" 'Less Human Than Human' is our motto here at Halliburton Corporation."

I'm really keen on the new Blade Runner box set. Does it show?
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post #24 of 32
I love how Cheney's not a part of the executive branch until he wants to hide behind executive privilege.
post #25 of 32
Honestly, I haven't thought they thought they were part of the executive branch, or the US government for that matter, since, I dunno... election day 2000?
post #26 of 32
Rahm Emanuel is attempting to defund Cheney's office. It would be hilarious and very appropriate but clearly it's not a very realistic thing to hope for in this world, without means for veto override and with that pleasant 5-4 conservative majority in the SCOTUS.
post #27 of 32
The fact that this isn't front page news for every major news outlet in America signifies how absurdly broken the Fourth Estate is.

The fact that people are not angrily berating those same news outlets for their utter, total failure to provide Americans with coherent, substantive reportage of bullshit like this signifies how absurdly apathetic the public is.

The fact that, even if the public rose up in a fury and demanded real investigative journalism to root out and shame this sort of nonsense , nothing of importance would really change signifies how absurdly impotent our citizenry is.

If this kind of asinine behavior doesn't warrant impeachment, what does?

Oh. Right. Lying about your PRIVATE LIFE does.
post #28 of 32
So, odds on whether or not the Deputy Press Secretary bawled like a baby after this press conference? 1:1, I think. She's pretty cute.
post #29 of 32
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Originally Posted by Jesse Custer
The fact that this isn't front page news for every major news outlet in America signifies how absurdly broken the Fourth Estate is.
Nope. The best any of us can hope for is for Stewart and Colbert to run Cheney's own massively contradictory words multiple times. First, his statement about not being a part of the executive branch because of his stint as Congressional tie-breaker, then his hiding behind executive privilege in response to Congressional requests for details on Cheney's energy task force meeting.

And the media wonders why the kids take Jon Stewart more seriously than CNN.
post #30 of 32
Firedoglake had an insightful post today that presents some refreshing ideas about framing in general, and this situation specifically:

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With only some hyperbole, I’d say that Republicans’ message about Clinton was, “He acted in a way that you’d be ashamed to tell your kids.”

In contrast, Democrats’ message tends to be, “He violated section 12(c) of Chapter 344-7 of the…”. There’s a problem there, I think.

I don’t know if Rahm Emanuel was reading (though I’m sure he’s a big FDL fan), but check out his statement today on the Fourthbranch controversy, via TPM Muckraker:

Yesterday the vice president was forced to admit what even an eighth-grade student knew: there is no Cheney branch of government.

That Rahmbo could phrase the issue this way is testimony to the common-sense persuasive power of the Fourthbranch issue. Liberals/progressives in general, and the left blogosphere in particular, have plenty of people who can compile detailed, legalistic cases and arguments pointing at the Bushites’ perfidy (with few who do it better than the author just below), but IMO what we need are more issues where just a single sentence (”Dick Cheney thinks he belongs to his own separate branch of government”) can convey even to people who don’t follow politics closely what we’re so upset about.

For sheer Democratic soundbite goodness today, I don’t know if anyone can top Rep. Linda Sanchez, pictured above (also via TPM Muckraker), responding to the White House’s claim of executive privilege in the face of Congressional subpoenas:

It’s tough to get lectured on the Constitution from the same Administration that said the Vice President is his own branch of government. The fact is that the Bush Administration, which has publicly declared its commitment to getting the truth on this issue, has stonewalled from the beginning. Mr. Fielding should understand two things: that nobody in their right mind would accept a White House offer that would condone perjury, and that saying ‘take-it-or-leave-it’ for months is not actually negotiation.

That’s three strong lines about the Bushites’ essential two-facedness in one short paragraph, combined with a bonus mention of “stonewalling” to summon up echoes of Watergate. For taking on a GOP mentality that Jane described aptly on the day of Scooter Libby’s sentencing as “The presumption of extreme moral rectitude even in the absence of any kind of moral compass whatsoever,” it’s effective stuff. Let’s hear more like that, please.

post #31 of 32
If you simplify your argument, the Bushites accuse you of being condescending, emotional, or hysterical. These folks control the narrative, and no amount of massaging the message is going to change that.
post #32 of 32
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Originally Posted by The Prankster
If you simplify your argument, the Bushites accuse you of being condescending, emotional, or hysterical. These folks control the narrative, and no amount of massaging the message is going to change that.
Yea, unfortunately what happens when you point out these SOBs for what they are in an open media forum you get labeled as some kind of liberal extremist. I wasn't always so hateful toward this administration, I mean, I never respected them but in my short time as a voter I haven't respected American politics in general. But these guys are as bad as they get, they deserve to crash and burn and I believe that they will get their comeuppance in due time. Not soon enough, but soon.
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