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post #101 of 149
1/31/08 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by slagar View Post
As an English professor once said to me. I paraphrase as this was many, many yeas ago. English is a living language; not like one of the dead ones which rules are now set by the stone. English has changed and will change. You, as you've survived four years of me and my colleagues, some insufferable, prattling on about the importance of the structure of the language, I release to use the language with the full knowledge of it and the let it live through you.
Your professor voted w00t for Merriam-Webster's Word of the Year 2007, didn't he?
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post #102 of 149
1/31/08 at 4:23pm
EDIT: w00t!
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post #103 of 149
1/31/08 at 4:27pm
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I hate it, when people use commas incorrectly. It really really really pisses me off! I mean read a book or something.
*flops onto the ground and starts gargling and twitching uncontrollably*
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post #104 of 149
1/31/08 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by Minsky View Post
I hate it, when people use commas incorrectly. It really really really pisses me off! I mean read a book or something.
Minksy, that's like nails on a chalkboard. I just spent two days editing a 12-page article for a professor. It was chock full of interesting ideas and nearly devoid of commas. About halfway through, I found myself repeatedly yelling "independent clause! INDEPENDENT CLAUSE!!" at the monitor.
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post #105 of 149
1/31/08 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by slagar View Post
As an English professor once said to me. I paraphrase as this was many, many yeas ago. English is a living language; not like one of the dead ones which rules are now set by the stone. English has changed and will change. You, as you've survived four years of me and my colleagues, some insufferable, prattling on about the importance of the structure of the language, I release to use the language with the full knowledge of it and the let it live through you.
By "professor", do you really mean "Crazy Louie, the bearded hobo that stands in the courtyard by the library talking to a sneaker filled with poop?"
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post #106 of 149
1/31/08 at 4:44pm
There's a living language, and then there's completely twisting the language around to make yourself "different". Capital letters exist, they have for a long time and will continue to do so.
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post #107 of 149
1/31/08 at 4:46pm
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 View Post
Your professor voted w00t for Merriam-Webster's Word of the Year 2007, didn't he?
Hardly, as he was dead. Dead for a number of years if fact.
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post #108 of 149
1/31/08 at 4:47pm
.you of all hell, to Go !!"academics" called-so by up made "rules" the by captive held be to refuse I
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post #109 of 149
1/31/08 at 5:04pm
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Fuck that. I'll write to you barbarians in my own made-up space language. MADE ENTIRELY OF CAPITAL LETTERS.
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post #110 of 149
1/31/08 at 5:12pm
That's pretty funny, probably more so than you realize Minsky, as the rules for English were based on the dead languages before them. It was like imposing an organization on something which wasn't yet created. One of those lanuages was Latin. Hence the rule in English not to end a sentance in a prepostion, which was never done in Latin and those imposing the rules on English felt it a needed rule. The rule has no meaning other than it was something not done in a previous language but some still hold it as a rule despite knowing why they do so.
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post #111 of 149
1/31/08 at 5:15pm
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Originally Posted by slagar View Post
That's pretty funny, probably more so than you realize Minsky, as the rules for English were based on the dead languages before them. It was like imposing an organization on something which wasn't yet created. One of those lanuages was Latin. Hence the rule in English not to end a sentance in a prepostion, which was never done in Latin and those imposing the rules on English felt it a needed rule. The rule has no meaning other than it was something not done in a previous language but some still hold it as a rule despite knowing why they do so.
OH MY GOD!!! You mean to tell us that human beings create systems based on... arbitrary rules?!?!

NOOOoooooooooooooo... why, God, why?!
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post #112 of 149
1/31/08 at 5:18pm
Blowin' my mind here, slag.

The end-of-sentence preposition rule is arbitrary, but that's not why it's bad. It's bad because it doesn't help. Rules about commas and capitalization, however, are huge and important in communicating and understanding the meaning of a phrase.
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post #113 of 149
1/31/08 at 5:26pm
You seem like a nice guy, slagar. I didn't mean to come off as condescending.

There are lots of prescriptive grammar rules that make very little sense, like "don't split infinitives" or "don't end a sentence with a preposition." However, the vast preponderance of grammar rules aren't prescriptive. They serve to help each of us understand one another's writing.
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post #114 of 149
1/31/08 at 5:27pm
Maybe it's not such a bad idea to convert the entire boards to Latin. Too bad* the only words I remember are "hello" and "farmer".

*or is it?
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post #115 of 149
1/31/08 at 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by MissZooey View Post
OH MY GOD!!! You mean to tell us that human beings create systems based on... arbitrary rules?!?!

NOOOoooooooooooooo... why, God, why?!
It's so people can break the rules so as to seem unique and individual, MissZooey. Without arbitrary rules how would we know who the real rebels are on teh Internetz.
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post #116 of 149
1/31/08 at 5:32pm
It's a fine balance between form and meaning (now those are Wonder Twin powers.) As long as the form the words take on conveys the meaning infered in them, I really can overlook a lot. But when the form is a mess that leads to a missed message or unrecognizable message then there's a problem. Capitalization does not, for me, mess with tthe intent of the message. I still see the words and can intepret their meaning.

I'd rather have someone try and get their message across in whatever means they can. Silencing a voice because they do not write so their words appeal to your visualization seems wrong. Silencing a voice because their words and meaning are unrecognizable I have no problem with. <-------
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post #117 of 149
1/31/08 at 5:37pm
Let's say I walk into Costco wearing nothing but a sports bra and a fan belt strapped around my balls. My intent is the same as everyone else in the store: I plan on buying large quantities of cheese and vodka. But there's something strange about the way I'm doing it, isn't there?
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post #118 of 149
1/31/08 at 5:41pm
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Originally Posted by slagar View Post
It's a fine balance between form and meaning (now those are Wonder Twin powers.) As long as the form the words take on conveys the meaning infered in them, I really can overlook a lot. But when the form is a mess that leads to a missed message or unrecognizable message then there's a problem. Capitalization does not, for me, mess with tthe intent of the message. I still see the words and can intepret their meaning.
While I agree with you to an extent the problem becomes what was the author's intended message by not following 'proper' form. Are they attempting to subvert society through a denouncement of arbitrary rules? Or are they lazy shits who never felt the need to learn proper form? And how do I tell as a reader which it is?
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post #119 of 149
1/31/08 at 5:41pm
NOOOoooooooooooooo... why, God, why?!*

* Pretty soon we're just going to start communicating with links to youtube videos.
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post #120 of 149
1/31/08 at 5:41pm
Yes, but it's not also what you write, it's how you write. Voices can poke through not just in content, but in your hold of the grammatical rules of the language. When someone doesn't capitalize, it tells me that they're either too lazy or not educated. Is that elitist? Hell yes, and I wear that proudly.
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post #121 of 149
1/31/08 at 5:49pm
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Let's say I walk into Costco wearing nothing but a sports bra and a fan belt strapped around my balls. My intent is the same as everyone else in the store: I plan on buying large quantities of cheese and vodka. But there's something strange about the way I'm doing it, isn't there?
Yeah.

I get the fan belt, but why add a sport bra to your already wrapped balls?

Comfort?
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post #122 of 149
1/31/08 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
Yeah.

I get the fan belt, but why add a sport bra to your already wrapped balls?

Comfort?
I like to pamper my manmaries. I'm also wearing a Sonic the Hedgehog mask.
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post #123 of 149
1/31/08 at 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by Minsky View Post
You seem like a nice guy, slagar. I didn't mean to come off as condescending.

There are lots of prescriptive grammar rules that make very little sense, like "don't split infinitives" or "don't end a sentence with a preposition." However, the vast preponderance of grammar rules aren't prescriptive. They serve to help each of us understand one another's writing.
I'm wasn't offened in any way.

Yes, but there are some rules, the arbritray ones, which throw people off of learning the correct usage, not because they need to know it to communicate. You learn to communicate by doing so. They more you do so the more learn how to do it. You need to know the rules so you can speak with confidence when someone says you are doing so in the wrong manner. Sure I might have been "wrong" when I didn't capitalize. I had a reason but no one bothered to ask. The assumption was I was not learned, lazy or rebelious. I was fine with that because they still responded to what I said. They overlooked the form and listened to the message. As a writer that's what you wish to achieve.

How do you tell? Does it matter? Hell, I could be a precocious 5-year-old with hippy home schooling parents. Does that invalidate everything I've said?
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post #124 of 149
1/31/08 at 6:00pm
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Originally Posted by slagar View Post
Does it matter?
Writing differently like you seemed proud to do is a sure way to have your posts skipped, no matter what the content is.
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post #125 of 149
1/31/08 at 6:24pm
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Originally Posted by slagar View Post
I had a reason but no one bothered to ask. The assumption was I was not learned, lazy or rebelious.
It's not our job to ask, it's yours to explain even if it's obliquely. You are the primary sender so the onus is on you to impart knowledge correctly and properly. If not, we are allowed our assumptions based on what little knowledge we have been given ie) failure to capitalize.
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post #126 of 149
1/31/08 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by harrybeanbag View Post
Also, if you're so dedicated to going against the grain when it comes to capitalization, why isn't your username 'iloveblood'? If you're going to champion this as your driving force, go hog wild.
Don't forget to toss that pesky shift key while you're at it there, Slick.
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post #127 of 149
1/31/08 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
Writing differently like you seemed proud to do is a sure way to have your posts skipped, no matter what the content is.
A friend was discussing his latest musical tastes. He said he wanted his music to sit in his lap and lick his face - nothing complicated. In the future when respnding to your posts or posting in threads where you read I will make sure to leave a little spittle on your cheek.
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post #128 of 149
1/31/08 at 7:11pm
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It would still be better than you writing like a retard because Captain Crunch told you to do it.
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post #129 of 149
1/31/08 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by slagar View Post
A friend was discussing his latest musical tastes. He said he wanted his music to sit in his lap and lick his face - nothing complicated. In the future when respnding to your posts or posting in threads where you read I will make sure to leave a little spittle on your cheek.
Are you saying you want to be his music?
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post #130 of 149
1/31/08 at 7:23pm
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Originally Posted by Minsky View Post
Are you saying you want to be his music?
No, just be in his lap.
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post #131 of 149
1/31/08 at 8:01pm
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 View Post
* Pretty soon we're just going to start communicating with links to youtube videos.
Shaka, when the otters held hands.
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post #132 of 149
1/31/08 at 8:07pm
Uzani, with fists closed!
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post #133 of 149
1/31/08 at 8:10pm
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

(I am saddened that I know this)
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post #134 of 149
1/31/08 at 8:13pm
Be proud. It is like Temba, his arms wide.
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post #135 of 149
1/31/08 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~ View Post
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

(I am saddened that I know this)
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Originally Posted by Minsky View Post
Uzani, with fists closed!
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Be proud. It is like Temba, his arms wide.
Oh, Dear God! I'd freed up that brain wrinkle for something important and now you've gone and taken it back. So thanks for that.
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post #136 of 149
1/31/08 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by Minsky View Post
Let's say I walk into Costco wearing nothing but a sports bra and a fan belt strapped around my balls. My intent is the same as everyone else in the store: I plan on buying large quantities of cheese and vodka. But there's something strange about the way I'm doing it, isn't there?
Not if you live in certain portions of Arkansas.
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post #137 of 149
1/31/08 at 10:24pm
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Originally Posted by Bill Brasky View Post
Oh, Dear God! I'd freed up that brain wrinkle for something important and now you've gone and taken it back. So thanks for that.
Shaka, when the walls fell.
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post #138 of 149
2/1/08 at 2:03am
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Originally Posted by slagar View Post
I'd rather have someone try and get their message across in whatever means they can.
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post #139 of 149
2/1/08 at 2:21am
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Originally Posted by Cervaise View Post
Shaka, when the otters held hands.
I wish I could rep you right now. Green box, my friend.
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post #140 of 149
2/1/08 at 2:38am
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Originally Posted by slagar View Post
I'm wasn't offened in any way.

Yes, but there are some rules, the arbritray ones, which throw people off of learning the correct usage, not because they need to know it to communicate.
I'm so confused. You mean that rules such as "don't end a sentence in a preposition" (which actually isn't arbitrary; your preposition needs an object or it doesn't need to be written) make it more difficult to learn?

You're one of those people who uses "incite" when he wants to say "insight" aren't you?
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post #141 of 149
2/1/08 at 11:00am
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 View Post
This has turned into a very weird thread indeed. Nice pic, Darkmite!
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post #142 of 149
2/1/08 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by Belethedheliel View Post
You're one of those people who uses "incite" when he wants to say "insight" aren't you?
See also: wearing shorts and T-shirts to job interviews. Wouldn't want to be pinned down by someone else's arbitrary rules of fashion, would we?
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post #143 of 149
2/1/08 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by Ahoatam View Post
See also: wearing shorts and T-shirts to job interviews. Wouldn't want to be pinned down by someone else's arbitrary rules of fashion, would we?
Wait! So, my cargo shorts and this shirt were a bad idea to wear to a job interview? Suddenly explains being self employed.
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post #144 of 149
2/1/08 at 2:36pm
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~ View Post
Nice pic, Darkmite!
Temba, his arms wide!
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post #145 of 149
2/1/08 at 2:37pm
I'm making an imaginary list of people to rep when "the system" rises from the ashes.
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post #146 of 149
2/1/08 at 2:53pm
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Wait! So, my cargo shorts and this shirt were a bad idea to wear to a job interview? Suddenly explains being self employed.
Nobody's gotten a handjob in cargo shorts since 'Nam, Ryan.
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post #147 of 149
2/1/08 at 2:56pm
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Nobody's gotten a handjob in cargo shorts since 'Nam, Ryan.
Actually since 1992 (What? My then-boyfriend and I were on vacation - what do you wear to a vacation handjob? A suit?).
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post #148 of 149
2/1/08 at 3:10pm
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Nobody's gotten a handjob in cargo shorts since 'Nam, Ryan.
Damn it! Are there rules somewhere that I need to know about? What about sandals? Can I wear my cell phone on my belt?
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post #149 of 149
2/1/08 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~ View Post
What about sandals?
I'd recommend galoshes. Trust me.
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