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Hate AFI's "new" list? What would you pick?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
To me, the problem with the "new" AFI list is that many of the films were there the last time, and the few more recent titles feel like token acknowledgments. I mean, if you want to update the list, how about limiting it to the past 40 years, so that the audiences who originally saw the movies in question are not mostly dead? That would also make things a bit more relevant to today's society, values and issues.

Maybe I am opening a Pandora's Box here, and I hope that listing 100 films does not presume too much on anyone's patience, but seriously, what about something like this? (This is not just off the cuff; I gave this some thought before doing this post.)

1. The Godfather, Parts I and II (1972-74)
2. Raging Bull (1980)
3. Taxi Driver (1976)
4. Schindler's List (1993)
5. GoodFellas (1990)
6. All the President's Men (1976)
7. Chinatown (1974)
8. Apocalypse Now (1979)
9. Bonnie and Clyde (1967)
10. Midnight Cowboy (1969)
11. The French Connection (1971)
12. Pulp Fiction (1994)
13. Blade Runner (1982)
14. Jaws (1975)
15. The Lord of the Rings trilogy (2001-03)
16. The Shawshank Redemption (1994)
17. Platoon (1986)
18. The Departed (2006)
19. L.A. Confidential (1997)
20. The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
21. Wall Street (1987)
22. The Usual Suspects (1995)
23. A Clockwork Orange (1971)
24. Dog Day Afternoon (1975)
25. Star Wars (1977)
26. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
27. Good Night and Good Luck (2005)
28. A Beautiful Mind (2001)
29. The Elephant Man (1980)
30. Reservoir Dogs (1992)
31. The Insider (1999)
32. A Christmas Story (1983)
33. Unforgiven (1992)
34. Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
35. Contact (1997)
36. Boogie Nights (1997)
37. The Silence of the Lambs (1991)
38. MASH (1970)
39. Planes, Trains and Automobiles (1987)
40. Brokeback Mountain (2005)
41. Magnolia (1999)
42. Lost in Translation (2003)
43. American Psycho (2000)
44. In the Company of Men (1997)
45. Dawn of the Dead (1978)
46. The Shining (1980)
47. Shattered Glass (2003)
48. Clean and Sober (1988)
49. Street Smart (1987)
50. Dead Calm (1989)
51. A Shock to the System (1987)
52. National Lampoon's Animal House (1978)
53. Casino Royale (2006)
54. Alien (1979)
55. Rocky (1976)
56. The Hunt for Red October (1990)
57. Die Hard (1988)
58. Broadcast News (1987)
59. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974)
60. Planet of the Apes (1968)
61. Caddyshack (1980)
62. Million Dollar Baby (2004)
63. Crash (2005)
64. Good Will Hunting (1997)
65. Bad Lieutenant (1992)
66. King of New York (1990)
67. The Accused (1988)
68. Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid (1973)
69. Born on the Fourth of July (1989)
70. Talk Radio (1988)
71. Little Miss Sunshine (2006)
72. As Good As It Gets (1997)
73. Assault on Precinct 13 (1976)
74. Vanishing Point (1971)
75. Dirty Harry (1971)
76. The Terminator (1984)
77. Out of Sight (1998)
78. Slap Shot (1977)
79. Superman (1978)
80. The Mosquito Coast (1986)
81. Ray (2004)
82. A Fish Called Wanda (1988)
83. Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975)
84. The Ice Storm (1997)
85. Traffic (2000)
86. Kids (1995)
87. Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)
88. Affliction (1998)
89. After Hours (1985)
90. Midnight Run (1988)
91. Manhunter (1986)
92. Testament (1983)
93. Borat (2006)
94. Black Christmas (1974)
95. The Untouchables (1987)
96. Aliens (1986)
97. Walk the Line (2005)
98. Evil Dead 2: Dead by Dawn (1987)
99. Ed Wood (1994)
100. Young Frankenstein (1974)

To me, this is a better representation of what we today are all about as a people, and the experiences most of those still breathing have been through. (If this seems to conflict with another post of mine, note that these are my opinions about the best films, not my personal favorites.)

Thoughts? What would your top 100 consist of?
post #2 of 17
Mostly TRANSFORMERS.
post #3 of 17
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Originally Posted by Ron Panarotti
63. Crash (2005)
List invalid.
post #4 of 17
And A BEAUTIFUL MIND at 28. Whammy!
post #5 of 17
All that topped off with no inclusion of Ghostbusters? Bunk.
post #6 of 17
We did this a few years back -- always thought about an update, but I don't want to do that much work. Here's the original thread:

http://www.chud.com/forums/showthrea...pse+now+movies
post #7 of 17
Put Halloween in place of Black Christmas and maybe we'll talk. And I'm someone who loves Black Christmas...

But yeah, the problem with these lists is that they can be nitpicked to death. I really don't think films like Contact, A Beautiful Mind, Bad Lieutenant, Ray, Walk the Line, and Dead Calm had any effect on the state of film as a whole. They may be decent movies, but they made no lasting impact.
post #8 of 17
While your list sucks, I'm all in favor of seeing other people's list.

My main complaint about the original list, however, is... why only American movies? Just because your the A(merican)FI doesn't mean you have to be a raging xenophobe.
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
Fair (and easy) enough to shoot down my picks. We're all entitled to our own opinions ... but if my list sucks, then tell me why, or show me a hundred films that are better, not just a handful. (But at least it got people talking.)
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by KABONG
. why only American movies? Just because your the A(merican)FI doesn't mean you have to be a raging xenophobe.
Most people can't watch foreign films - their lips get tired from reading the subtitles.
post #11 of 17
That and the fact that the list is part of the promotional aspect of the AFI's goal, which is to promote and preserve American film-- it's not just some guys sitting on a couch making a list for the hell of it.
post #12 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Panarotti
I mean, if you want to update the list, how about limiting it to the past 40 years, so that the audiences who originally saw the movies in question are not mostly dead? That would also make things a bit more relevant to today's society, values and issues.
I'm sorry, but that is so fucked-up and wrongheaded. The greatest films of all time should be just that. Omitting films for no reason other than that they were made before the current audience was born is an affront to art. Relevance to today's society, values and issues has got fuck all to do with whether a movie is great. It would just be pandering to the idea that old movies don't matter anymore, and feeding into the unbelievable ignorance of people who won't watch a movie that isn't in color.
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by Greg David
I'm sorry, but that is so fucked-up and wrongheaded. The greatest films of all time should be just that. Omitting films for no reason other than that they were made before the current audience was born is an affront to art. Relevance to today's society, values and issues has got fuck all to do with whether a movie is great. It would just be pandering to the idea that old movies don't matter anymore, and feeding into the unbelievable ignorance of people who won't watch a movie that isn't in color.
Thank you.

Unacademically, I took a shot at making my own list over beer and pizza last night, and this is what I came up with. Apologies to "On The Waterfront", "MASH", "The Seven year Itch", "Munich", "The Killing Fields", "Brazil", "A Streetcar Named Desire" and "The Crazies".

Also, a few of these might be "British" or "Canadian" instead of American, so my apologies.

1. 2001: A Space Odyssey
2. The Godfather
3. Citizen Kane
4. Modern Times
5. Eraserhead
6. The Thin Blue Line
7. Casablanca
9. Apocalypse Now
10. Singin' In The Rain
11. A Woman Under The Influence
12. The Graduate
13. Birth Of A Nation
14. Nashville
15. High Noon
16. Chinatown
17. Do The Right Thing
18. Pulp Fiction
19. The Conversation
20. Dr. Strangelove
21. Raging Bull
22. Some Like It Hot
23. The Last Movie
24. The Sweet Smell of Success
25. The Wild Bunch
26. Mean Streets
27. The Grapes Of Wrath
28. The New World
29. The Apartment
30. Vertigo
31. The Big Sleep
32. The Searchers
33. To Kill A Mockingbird
34. The Wizard Of Oz
35. Fantasia
36. A Night At The Opera
37. Mr. Smith Goes To Washington
38. Blue Velvet
39. Bonnie And Clyde
40. King Kong
41. Bringing Up Baby
42. Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind
43. Stranger Than Paradise
44. 12 Angry Men
45. Psycho
46. Straw Dogs
47. The Treasure Of The Sierra Madre
48. The Texas Chain Saw Massacre
49. An American In paris
50. Annie Hall
51. City Lights
52. The Fountain
53. North By Northwest
54. JFK
55. Taxi Driver
56. Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer
57. West Side Story
58. The Manchurian Candidate
59. Safe
60. Manhattan
61. Fargo
62. One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
63. Frankenstein
64. Unforgiven
65. Birth
66. Videodrome
67. The French Connection
68. Fury
69. Love And Death
70. Halloween
71. The Insider
72. Easy Rider
73. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
74. The General
75. The Last Picture Show
76. Boogie Nights
77. Badlands
78. United 93
79. The Squid And The Whale
80. Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs
81. Robocop
82. Malcolm X
83. Adaptation
84. Night Moves
85. Goodfellas
86. Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid
87. Being There
88. Shane
89. L.A. Confidential
90. Network
91. Heat
92. Blade Runner
93. Mulholland Drive
94. Dead Ringers
95. The Deer Hunter
96. Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
97. Phantom Of The Opera
98. McCabe And Mrs. Miller
99. A History Of Violence
100. Grindhouse
post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 
Good list ... I wasn't necessarily trying to invalidate old movies, but there are some people who contend that you could not come up with 100 great movies if you limited it to, say, the past 30 or 40 years. As one person said, the good thing about these lists is that it showed him how few movies he had seen that predated 1970. I just think the reverse can also be true ... let's not assume that the best days of cinema are necessarily behind us. Many of the "greats" may be long gone, but there are plenty of interesting folks at work in the movies today.
post #15 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Panarotti
Good list ... I wasn't necessarily trying to invalidate old movies, but there are some people who contend that you could not come up with 100 great movies if you limited it to, say, the past 30 or 40 years. As one person said, the good thing about these lists is that it showed him how few movies he had seen that predated 1970. I just think the reverse can also be true ... let's not assume that the best days of cinema are necessarily behind us. Many of the "greats" may be long gone, but there are plenty of interesting folks at work in the movies today.
Why would the reverse be true?

"Man, I can't believe how much cinema I've missed in the past decade while I've been binging on D.W. Griffith and Fritz Lang!"
post #16 of 17
I doubt that any reasonable film enthusiast would make the case that cinema's best days are behind it. Every year brings at least a small handful of brilliance. Anyone with a decent knowledge of cinematic history who refuses to acknowledge that Children of Men and Pan's Labyrinth deserve to be enshrined among the greats is just being a curmudgeon.
post #17 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg David
I doubt that any reasonable film enthusiast would make the case that cinema's best days are behind it. Every year brings at least a small handful of brilliance. Anyone with a decent knowledge of cinematic history who refuses to acknowledge that Children of Men and Pan's Labyrinth deserve to be enshrined among the greats is just being a curmudgeon.
Beyond that, it's not like these more recent movies are in danger of falling out of the collective consciousness like some classics are.

But in addendum, the notion that older movies aren't applicable to today's society, values and ideas is completely laughable.
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