Guys and Dolls: A Real Doll documentary - Page 2

I'll go poke around and look it up, but I'm hung up/puzzled on where you draw the distinction.

If we equate "fucking" with "having sex", "having intercourse" or "getting laid" (and in our culture, it's safe to assume we do), I don't know that I can call any solo activity that ends with me ejaculating anything other than "masturbation". If I humped my favorite pillow all night long, I'm not gonna pass a polygraph saying I had sex last night.

I mean, no one teaches masturbation (not in public school, at any rate), so we all come up with our own techniques, but pleasuring yourself is just that.

My point is, there is such a big disconnect caused by the lack of little things like that that the idea of someone spending 6,000 dollars on one is a bit creepy.

I mean, how much is a bunch of bananas? 4, 5 bucks?

Add in some KY, maybe some soft music, you got yourself a stew goin', baby!

A prostitute in Vegas can run a thousand dollars an hour. Is that out of the realm of consideration as well? If you have enough money, any amount is thinkable.

Which reminds me that nobody has addressed my point about action figures and toys. How much is too much to spend on those, and where do we draw the line on fetishistic behavior? If it involves sex, it's sick?

I'm not judging anyone on the cost, or the choice of fetish.

If it REPLACES sex, it's a problem.

A thousand dollar prostitute is a person.

If someone spends thousands of dollars on action figures they are pathetic. But usually it's over a period of time.

No, Patrick did.


I don't see why. Having sex with a mannequin hurts no one.

Fetish defined as any unhealthy preoccupation is a legitimate use of the term. And personally, I think somebody who lays down thousands of dollars on action figures, Magic cards, or whatever else have you, is pretty unhealthily preoccupied. Then again, as I said, if you've got enough money, any amount is disposable.

I mean a problem in that it's going to emotionally retard the guy using it. Human interaction is important.

And yes, I get that pursuing a real relationship might be extremely challenging or painful for some folks.

I dunno. I've been watching a lot of old classroom scare films lately.

No, because you said that anything other than masturbation or sex with a woman is weird. Which would include homosexuality, by the way.

Sorry I backed up a bit, but I missed that post.

Clearly, those guys were emotionally and socially stunted to begin with. I doubt this is going to do further damage. These people had trouble relating to women and making social connections. That's why they bought the dolls in the first place. And that's why they're easy targets, and probably not indicative of the typical consumer. As you said, it's shooting fish in a barrel.

He can't call it "weird"? he didn't say it was "wrong", or "against God". "Weird" ain't exactly pitchforks and torches.

I think one of them actually mentioned that as a plus to the whole thing, actually.

But calling homosexuality weird (which wasn't even what he had in mind when he said that) WOULD fall under the definition of "sheltered".

That's a bit of an overreaction, don't you think? I didn't call him a fundamentalist.

Sure, but I wasn't talking about the guys in the doc. Any guy, whatever facade he's maintaining in public, is doing himself emotional damage by exclusively fucking an inanimate object. Just like your hips want to pound something, so too do other parts of your body want to connect and interact with a living thing.

(Man, the potential sigs this fucking thread has yielded)

Well, it's 2AM and I'm high. Gimme a pass on that one.

But this is where the potential damage of this documentary enters into it. You're assuming, because of these particular guys, that anybody who buys a RealDoll is only having sex with it, and not with real people. And that's where I think the thing is probably misleading.

By the way, I just want to thank everybody for being able to have an intelligent discussion on this subject. This sort of thing would result in screaming and name-calling on other forums. Then again, Swedish Miyagi hasn't seen this thread yet.

Interesting that I referenced Swedish Miyagi at the same time you did. We need help.

I'm not. Certainly some guys bought it for the variety or whatever. But surely men exist who are fucking these things because they've stopped talking to real women. I'm just saying anyone who IS exclusively fucking the doll might want to think about that.

Holy shit, why did you just do that?

Or when the bars close.

They'll be reading all of this with a raging just-woke-up erection. That's going to cause some problems.

In that case, this doc probably is representing them. I have to think that anybody who buys one of these things because they don't want to deal with actual people anymore is probably pretty far gone to begin with. I mean, that's full-on misanthropy.
It's okay, you have to say his name three times into a mirror to make him appear.

Better back the fuck off, Tim.

There's definitely a gender double standard. If you were dating a woman and found out she had a dildo or vibrator, most guys would think it was cute and naughty, in a "this girl is sexually liberated! giggity!" kind of way. But a lot of women would be creeped out by a Fleshlight, and even more so by a guy spending thousands of dollars to hump an object that resembles the corpse of a porn star.

I've certainly had long, long periods of frustration where I wasn't getting any, but the Five Knuckle Shuffle got me through it; not once did I ever entertain thoughts of sticking my dick in the Uncanny Valley.

Is this really not representative of the average customer of these dolls? The guy who designed the dolls seemed to imply it, they're meant for people who can't socialize and interact with real women.

I also find it interesting that these guys order these dolls with all these exaggerated proportions, one wonders if they would find sex with real looking women unsatisfying because they don't match what the dolls look like at all. To say that these men objectify women is an understatement. They also continually bring up the argument that they don't have to spend much money on food or gifts, showing that they are at the core that not only are they lonely but are very selfish and self centered individuals.

I was really disturbed by the guy who fixes the dolls though. He just handles them without gloves or washing them off, there's no way I would touch these things without any type of body armor knowing what these guys do to them.

And yes, this is really weird, and not surprising that women would be freaked the hell out by it as demonstrated by that couple at the end. The lady was trying to be "open minded" in front of the cameras, but there's no way any self respecting woman is going to accept going out with a person that has all these dolls hanging around his apartment.

Exactly, after watching the doc, there's certainly a necrophiliac vibe coming off these guys that I'm sure fabfunk could describe in greater detail to us.

Jackie Treehorn must have a bunch of these.

I kind of felt bad for The Nuge when he said he once met this woman and she called him a week later... to look after her kids while she went on a date.

If these guys have completely given up on women and just need something to hump AND want to spend 6,000$ on these things, why the fuck not? Sure, they're funny cuz they're all dorky and creepy and shit, but they're not hurting anyone.

Also, you are my hero, Greg.

All we were saying was that they were creepy.

Yeah, right, if you're into this, go for it. But it is what it is. It's fucking just as much as jerking off with your hand is. If you direct this much emotion towards an inanimate object you definitely have problems.

fixed.

Fixed.

Wait a minute that's not better at all!

I don't need that kind of pressure.

I'm guessing Duke Fleed has a whole set of those, each one dressed as a different Sailor Moon character.

I'm just making it to the end of this thing. I couldn't finish last night. That repairman segment is hilarious. His lady-friend is pretty hot too. But even he says it's a "high form of masturbation".

So just to get a female perspective, I was telling my wife about this thread. She actually went to the site and poked around (heh...poked), and found something much more disturbing: you can buy just the torso. That's right, for a bargain-basement price, you can go completely Ed Gein on it.

Pretending that a RealDoll is a real girl kind of pales in significance to fucking a limbless, headless torso.

I don't see the difference. You can also buy a pocket pussy.

That's okay, I can disagree with him too. I'm a professional at this whole disagreement thing.

The thing is, I don't entirely disagree that it is in function. Not to start this whole thing up again, I'm just saying that for some people, the standard form of self-handling probably gets old after a while, and you just want to go through the actual motions of fucking, even if you're the only one making any motions.