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post #51 of 69
7/10/07 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by Brendan
http://chud.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102427


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it's America. Defense attorneys are paid solely on how much bullshit they can spew and make people believe said shit is actually a pile of fresh smelling roses.

But, I'm not ruling out it was because they wanted to destroy evidence. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Maybe I'm misreading the tone, but I didn't want to put you on the defensive. I'll grant you that the attorneys will throw out whatever defenses they can, because that's what they're supposed to do. I was only trying to point out that I didn't think the fact that it was used to destroy evidence bolstered the applicability of the insanity plea.
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post #52 of 69
7/10/07 at 9:00pm
Haven't heard of something like this since the Japanese Army at Nanking.
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post #53 of 69
7/10/07 at 11:25pm
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Originally Posted by MissZooey
But I have no idea what should be done with monsters like these boys.
A furnace.
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post #54 of 69
7/10/07 at 11:28pm
I think looking at the suspects' history and records will help determine whether this was an often-supposed act of insanity. Which, in my opinion, is ridiculous regarding the story.
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post #55 of 69
7/11/07 at 1:17am
Thread Starter 
This housing project sounds like hell;

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19698132/

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“So a lady was raped. Big deal,” resident Paticiea Matlock said with disgust. “There’s too much other crime happening here.”

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“I just feel like he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. ... My son is not a rapist,” she said.

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“I was so scared,” the woman told WPTV. “Some of them had sex with me twice, some of them had sex with me three times. They’re beating me up. They make me do those things over and over. The man with the big gun, he put the gun inside of me.”


She said that when she was forced to perform oral sex on her own son, she told the boy: “I know you love me, and I love you, too.”

My God ...
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post #56 of 69
7/11/07 at 1:36am
Need to completely destroy that entire area. No one should be living like that.
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post #57 of 69
7/11/07 at 1:43am
I'm not taking a tone or anything, The LD. I'm mainly just saying Temp. Insane as a sarcastic, cynical approach to this. It seems everyone in America uses that plea for whatever crime they're being charged with. I really wouldn't rule it out that the defense tries to use it though. I really think they will. They'll say something like "the living conditions are so harsh there Judge, that these boys they don't know what to do! This heat too... it just made them snap for no reason! "
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post #58 of 69
7/11/07 at 1:48am
Thread Starter 
The only defense they can come up with I guess is saying that the 2 they caught were not involved in the rape, that's about it besides claiming they are just crazy. I'm sure their background will come into play, in the article they are already trying to justify it that way, but the crime is so horrible it won't matter much.

I'm surprised they haven't gotten any of the other 8 yet.
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post #59 of 69
7/11/07 at 1:50am
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Originally Posted by DaveB
I don't think this demonstrates that, in the moment, they cared about the distinction between sentences for murder and sentences for rape, assault, etc., though. It just means that they didn't want to get caught. Killing the victims wouldn't have eliminated evidence - bleach, at least to their fucked-up troglodyte minds, would. I can't imagine that, if you're this far removed from general human levels of acceptability, you'd be thinking that strategically in the moment.
Right, but I brought this up in the context of the death penalty, which even the most aggressive advocates of would reserve for premeditated crimes (even if it isn't for murder, like here). Premeditated means that there is a significant thought process behind it, so the Heat effect would still probably apply.

Also, temporary insanity is commonly pled in violent crimes, but almost never in the "twinkies made me do this!" context that many seem to attach to it. It also doesn't mean that the perp walks away free; 95% of the time, it just means that the death penalty isn't applied, and decides what kind of institution you're going to spend the rest of your life locked up in.
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post #60 of 69
7/11/07 at 2:09am
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Originally Posted by Schwartz
Also, temporary insanity is commonly pled in violent crimes, but almost never in the "twinkies made me do this!" context that many seem to attach to it. It also doesn't mean that the perp walks away free; 95% of the time, it just means that the death penalty isn't applied, and decides what kind of institution you're going to spend the rest of your life locked up in.
Yeah, but would you rather spend 20 years in a mental institution where you can sit around all day playing Jenga and watching TV, laughing at other people freak out all the while hopped up on meds? Or in a 8x8 cell with Brutus as your cellmate who loves tiny assholes?
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post #61 of 69
7/11/07 at 9:20am
Point is, even a successful insanity defense does not mean that you walk away scot-free.
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post #62 of 69
7/11/07 at 1:56pm
oooh... early post. sorry.
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post #63 of 69
7/11/07 at 1:57pm
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Originally Posted by Brendan
Yeah, but would you rather spend 20 years in a mental institution where you can sit around all day playing Jenga and watching TV, laughing at other people freak out all the while hopped up on meds? Or in a 8x8 cell with Brutus as your cellmate who loves tiny assholes?
This is a very large misunderstanding of what state-run criminal insanity facilities are like. Think instead of playing Jenga all day and watching TV, it's more like you're so pumped full of drugs (since you must have some psych condition to be in the place) that you're just staring at the Jenga pieces instead of the TV. Oh, and you're restrained a lot of the time as well.
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post #64 of 69
7/13/07 at 3:15am
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070713/...rDcgZ6aAus0NUE

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3rd teen arrested in Fla. gang rape

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - A third teenager was arrested Thursday in the gang rape and assault of a mother and her 12-year-old son in a housing project, police said.

Fingerprints in the woman's house linked 15-year-old Jakaris Sansay Taylor to the June 18 attack, West Palm Beach police spokesman Ted White said.

Up to 10 masked teenagers raped and sodomized the woman and beat her son, police said. They also forced her at gunpoint to perform oral sex on the boy, she later told a TV station.

Taylor was arrested at his home in the housing project on charges of home invasion robbery with a firearm, wearing a mask while committing an offense, sexual battery and armed sexual battery with multiple perpetrators. He will be transferred to a juvenile detention center once investigators finish questioning him, police said.

Taylor's mother, Jacqueline Minor, declined to comment when reached by phone Thursday.

Two other teenagers, Avion Lawson, 14, and Nathan Walker, 16, were being held without bail in the assault and gang rape.

The state attorney's office will seek a grand jury indictment to ensure all defendants are charged as adults, spokesman Mike Edmondson said.
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post #65 of 69
7/22/07 at 12:02am
There's a long article in the New York Times magazine about juvenile sex offenders; illuminating, not especially hopeful, but necessary reading on the topic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/ma...ewanted=1&_r=1
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post #66 of 69
7/22/07 at 12:12am
Talk about the scum of the earth. Perhaps we could put them on IED cleanup duty in Baghdad.
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post #67 of 69
7/22/07 at 12:23am
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica
Also, can they really get off easy just because they are minors?

They must have gotten off pretty easy. Some of them went multiple times.
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post #68 of 69
8/1/07 at 1:23pm
A semi-update... not really on the charges or crinimals but the housing project:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/...r.projects.CNN
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post #69 of 69
8/1/07 at 1:32pm
While this is insanely fucked up. I had a gut feeling this took place in Florida. I click on the link and yup I was right.
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