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Seed of Chucky (2004)

post #1 of 43
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"What? Oh no, I put on Bound, Gina Gershon is just fingering me."

Jesus, I was prepared for a film that was more comedy than horror, but this film was just plain fucking bizarre. I'm a sucker for anything meta, and madly in love with Jennifer Tilly, so for me this was a match made in heaven. So much oddity here, it doesn't even attempt to be a horror film of any kind. Just...what the fuck did I just watch?
post #2 of 43
I never saw it, but it lost me with the Britney Spears bit in the trailer. And that wasn't even really her, so what's even the point?
post #3 of 43
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It's a tiny 15 second gag that happens on the way to a spectacular John Waters death.
post #4 of 43
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Nevermind.
post #5 of 43
So is this really worth seeing?
post #6 of 43
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Not really, except as an exercise in meta. And John Waters melting. It's just bizarre, really.
post #7 of 43
I don't enjoy this as much as I do Bride Of Chucky, but for some New Nightmare-style weirdness it can't be beat.
post #8 of 43
I love this movie, if only because Glen is so damn adorable. Even when he's dressing as a woman and murdering chicks, he's still cute.
post #9 of 43
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Originally Posted by Quarant
I don't enjoy this as much as I do Bride Of Chucky, but for some New Nightmare-style weirdness it can't be beat.
I suppose every horror franchise with a sense of humor ultimately deteriorates into meta "making a movie based off the legend of the so-and-so killer" entry.
post #10 of 43
The Billy Boyd voiced puppet is strangely hilarious to me (as is its play on Ed Wood's Glen or Glenda). And John Waters is funny as shit but...other than that, I think it's kind of a dud.

I don't find Redman funny at all, either. Though I do share Patrick's fascination with Tilly. Weirdly, it's that voice.
post #11 of 43
I saw Bride of Chucky in theaters and really dug what they did with it, in terms of Ronny Yu's visual style and the franchise finally embracing its bizarre destiny of being inherently silly and trashy while talented people just wander through.

By the time Seed came out, though, I was just too burned out to care. I was tickled by the sleazy marketing, such as the doll eye/sperm teaser poster and a talking keychain my friend brought back from an exhibitor show that said "Chucky is...COMING...this Halloween." When I finally caught it on DVD, I did just sort of scratch my head. It delivered on the doll effects and gore. It was a decent send-up of 50's and 60's era identity crisis/family melodramas (the aforementioned Glen or Glenda, the scene where Glen goes all Rebel Without a Cause on us). But it was just...so...strange...
post #12 of 43
I gave up after the second one. Now you guys are making me want to see this.
post #13 of 43
Bride of Chucky is the best of the 'franchise'.
Which I guess isn't saying much.
post #14 of 43
Hey, Bride of Chucky has 500% more Katherine Heigl than the other Child's Play movies.

Make that 500% plus 1. I think otherwise it comes out to zero.
post #15 of 43
Worth seeing if only for Tilly. She makes me pitch major trouser tent.
post #16 of 43
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The commentary track with Tilly on the Seed of Chucky dvd is great. Tilly cuts through the bullshit every time.

"Well, ever since we heard Redman was a fan of the Child's Play movies, and I saw he had great natural comedic talent on How High, I was excited to cast him."
"Well, really it was more like they thought that it may appeal to a crossover demographic, and you were hoping he'd do a song for the film."
"Well, yes, but-"
"And that never really panned out."
"No."
"I think the official word was something about, like, label conflicts or whatever, but really I just don't think he was terribly inspired."
"Well I don't think that's the case."
"Well I do. That's what I think."

and

"But I like the coloring outside the limo, it's so obvious they're on a soundstage, it makes it look like an old timey movie. Just like how big the Hollywood sign is, it's so fake."
"Well I wouldn't say fake, I was going for more stylized..."
"Yeah, definitely, it's got a fakish kind of style going for it."

"Don't you own a lot of those clothes that ended up in your wardrobe?"
"I do now."

(during the 'birth canal' opening sequence)
"Look that's the inside of my vagina!"

Worth it for the commentary.
post #17 of 43
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Originally Posted by Gabriel Williams
Worth seeing if only for Tilly. She makes me pitch major trouser tent.
Hell yes. Since I saw The Getaway when I was 15.
post #18 of 43
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll
The commentary track with Tilly on the Seed of Chucky dvd is great. Tilly cuts through the bullshit every time.

"Well, ever since we heard Redman was a fan of the Child's Play movies, and I saw he had great natural comedic talent on How High, I was excited to cast him."
"Well, really it was more like they thought that it may appeal to a crossover demographic, and you were hoping he'd do a song for the film."
"Well, yes, but-"
"And that never really panned out."
"No."
"I think the official word was something about, like, label conflicts or whatever, but really I just don't think he was terribly inspired."
"Well I don't think that's the case."
"Well I do. That's what I think."

and

"But I like the coloring outside the limo, it's so obvious they're on a soundstage, it makes it look like an old timey movie. Just like how big the Hollywood sign is, it's so fake."
"Well I wouldn't say fake, I was going for more stylized..."
"Yeah, definitely, it's got a fakish kind of style going for it."

"Don't you own a lot of those clothes that ended up in your wardrobe?"
"I do now."

(during the 'birth canal' opening sequence)
"Look that's the inside of my vagina!"

Worth it for the commentary.
Damn it...now I have to rent this. Thanks, Ripoli. Thanks a lot.
post #19 of 43
It's definitely second right after Bride. Oh, Brad and Jennifer, the chemistry!
post #20 of 43
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For such a special feature heavy disc, Brad Douriff is curiously absent. He voices Chucky in a couple of lame shorts, but he's not on the commentary, and he wasn't in the making of doc. Wonder what happened there.

I still don't think I've seen Douriff in anything else other than the Child's Play movies. What are the other notable Douriff performances?
post #21 of 43
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll
For such a special feature heavy disc, Brad Douriff is curiously absent. He voices Chucky in a couple of lame shorts, but he's not on the commentary, and he wasn't in the making of doc. Wonder what happened there.

I still don't think I've seen Douriff in anything else other than the Child's Play movies. What are the other notable Douriff performances?
First and foremost is Doc Cochran in "Deadwood." Then there's Grima Wormtongue in the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. He was also a Piter Devries in Lynch's adaptation of Dune. There is also his turn as The Gemini Killer/James Venamun in The Exorcist III. And of course, how could one forget his role as Al Bert in Critters IV?

However, all these roles pale in comparison to his tour de force performance in the Tobe Hooper classic, Spontaneous Combustion.
post #22 of 43
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Originally Posted by Chris O.
First and foremost is Doc Cochran in "Deadwood." Then there's Grima Wormtongue in the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. He was also a Piter Devries in Lynch's adaptation of Dune. There is also his turn as The Gemini Killer/James Venamun in The Exorcist III. And of course, how could one forget his role as Al Bert in Critters IV?

However, all these roles pale in comparison to his tour de force performance in the Tobe Hooper classic, Spontaneous Combustion.

He's also in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Heaven's Gate and Blue Velvet...
post #23 of 43
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He's also in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Heaven's Gate and Blue Velvet...
He's also the exterminator in Graveyard Shift. As with some of his movies, he's definitely the best thing about it.
post #24 of 43
He was nominated for an Oscar for Cuckoo's Nest
post #25 of 43
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I haven't seen Cuckoo's Nest in years, I don't remember it too well, or at least not specific supporting performances.
post #26 of 43
He was Billy, the guy with the stutter whom Jack Nicholson gets laid. It all ends very badly for everyone involved. It's pretty much Dourif's one memorable sympathetic role, but he nails it.
post #27 of 43
Did Ripoll not see any of the Lord of the Rings movies? 'Cause if so, that's sort of weird. Even if the material didn't interest you, that's a hell of an omnipresent movie trilogy to manage to avoid this long.
post #28 of 43
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I saw em, and forgot them. I own Fellowship (a Christmas gift) so that's the only one I've seen more than once. Maybe one day when I'm less retarded I'll see those films as something other than a very impressive bore.
post #29 of 43
I disagree, but respect the balls it takes to say something like that. The internet might take physical form and kill you in your sleep. Just a friendly warning.
post #30 of 43
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Oh, I'm under no impression that I'm right, just saying why I'm not so familiar with the characters of the trilogy.
post #31 of 43
In all seriosness, there's plenty of action in the last 2, especially "The Two Towers". The battle at Helm's Deep is very impressive. As is the siege of Gondor. The 'It still only counts as one" quip in Return of the King never fails to raise a chuckle.
post #32 of 43
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The climax of Two Towers is fantastic, but, to me, the battle sequences in Return of the King aren't nearly as compelling as the parts with Sam and Frodo. CGI battles just aren't that exciting to me.
post #33 of 43
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll
The climax of Two Towers is fantastic, but, to me, the battle sequences in Return of the King aren't nearly as compelling as the parts with Sam and Frodo. CGI battles just aren't that exciting to me.
I hope you never have to watch 300, then.

Um, to bring this back on topic a bit, what did you think of Child's Play 3? I thought it was crap even back in the day, but it does have the immortal "Don't fuck with the Chuck!" Also, who would have thought that the biggest person to come out of that movie would be Mrs. Ari from Entourage?
post #34 of 43
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300 was stylized enough that it was fairly entertaining.

Child's Play 3 is a movie that has lots going for it on paper, but fails miserably in execution. Chucky replacing the fake bullets for real bullets, the psycho barber etc. "Don't Fuck with the Chuck" doesn't really do much for me. The character's not really that funny (except that spectacular expletive laden outburst in Child's Play.)

I always liked it more when Chucky felt more like Charles Lee Ray who had to reluctantly pretend to be a doll. To me, that's a hundred times funnier than a doll who can't stop making jokes about how he's a doll.
post #35 of 43
I used to think the replacing bullets thing was a neat trick until I started wondering if they would even work in those guns.

Interesting point there, about pretending to be a doll. I wonder who I should feel worse for, the feared and respected psychopath who has to keep his cover by cuddling up with a little boy and going on stupid imaginary adventures, or the little boy whose only friend is just using him to play "Hide the soul."
post #36 of 43
Seed is a bizarre child. Well, I love the voice work of Dourif and Boyd, and Jennifer Tilly is one hell of a milf (can't believe she turns 50 next year). The opening is funny, so is the Waters scene and some other bits throughout the flick, but overall I can't really decide wether I like it or not. I own it, though.

Bride is a way better flick as such, nothing great, but an entertaining little bloody comedy.

Child's Play III is cheesy, but I really like it as some other trashy sequels from the early 90ies. "Just think, Chucky's gonna be a bro." "You know what they say. "You just can't keep a Good Guy down."" "Don't fuck with the Chuck." that's so bad, it's nearly good again.

Somehow, I like Child's Play II less than all the others. It's pretty much boring, except that showdown in the toy factory. The first is a classic. It could have been way better, but the puppet stuff is well done. Probably the best doll-based horror movie around. (Dead Silence, anyone seen that one?)
post #37 of 43
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Child's Play 1 takes no single point of view, but since we hear Andy talking to Chucky but are not allowed to see Chucky talk for ourselves, I believe that it operates mostly from the point of view of Andy's Mother. It's through her we get the doll, through her that the fact that the doll is alive is finally confirmed. One of the fears it works on is that something out there is corrupting your kid. You get home, your best friend who was babysitting him has been murdered, and he's so deep inside his fantasy world of his "Good Guy" doll that he doesn't even care, it isn't real to him. You have to always be there for him, but at the same time you have to teach him how to properly control his imagination. It's a distressing situation.

But Child's Play 2 is the only film that really works on what is probably the scariest possible angle using this premise: You're a kid, powerless, and no one believes you or cares to help you. Andy's frustrated, frightened, there's a killer after him and his mother is unavailable because she's been locked away. I almost feel like he should have been adolescent in this one, as opposed to part 3, to better work these themes of aggression, frustration and having to grow up and stand up for himself. The film itself is not great, but I think it keeps the story moving and it raises the stakes fairly well, making Andy's world crumble around him more and more.

The only reason I don't like it as much as part 1 is because I love the aspect of the first Child's Play that this Voodoo strangler asshole has been forced into the body of this fucking little doll. A common complaint is that, at the end of the day, a doll is not intimidating. The best part about Chucky in part 1 is that he KNOWS this and he HATES it. He can't even wrap his hands around people's throats anymore! Instead, he is forced to sneak around and make do killing whichever way he can, whether it be surprising you so you fall out a window or stabbing a voodoo doll of yourself you keep around the house (by the way, why the fuck would you do that?). Part of the reason he's such a bastard is because his present condition makes him cranky. Every other entry, he seems to enjoy being a killer doll too much.

Also, in every other entry, he's too much of a character, which diminishes the effectiveness of the puppeteering. In Child's Play, he really only has that scene with the Voodoo priest where he's in full view, walking around and talking, the rest is achieved through very good editing and a wide variety of puppeteering techniques.

Now this long post may lead you to think I consider the films to be classics, or even good. Not the case. Most of the films amount to an interesting waste of potential, most the time. Still, there IS a reason that he continues to freak little kids out after all these years.
post #38 of 43
The toy factory's a good set piece and is the logical place to end one of these movies. I like what you're saying about Andy's main problem in Child's Play 2, but I feel like if he were any older, they would have immediately locked him up as some deranged school shooter threat after the first murder. Also, the helplessness comes in part from the fact that, unlike the adults, he's not that much bigger than Chucky. They're more or less physical equals.

One thing I don't get about Chucky though, is how different movies (all written by the same guy) change his M.O. It seems like sometimes all he wants is to be human and kills only to achieve this goal. Yet other times, as Patrick said, he relishes in being the sneaky little plastic wacko who will go out of his way to kill people (like the garbage truck guy in 3). Heck, even in the same movie, Bride of Chucky, we discover that as a human killer he did it to rob people, yet later on it's presented as a hobby/addiction.
post #39 of 43
Child's Play 2 is by far my favourite, beginning with Chucky killing that irritating fuck from Ally Mcbeal - and ending in the toy factory where Chucky replaces his hand with a knife. Fuck yeah! Also, I remember that one taking the whole killer who never dies thing to the extreme. Doesn't Andy kill him like 20 times or something?

Also, can someone please explain this to me: In the first couple of films they emphasize how Chucky must(!) transfer his soul into Andy's body since he's the first kid to whom he told his secret. But later on they completely ignore that and have Chucky trying to tranfer himself into any fucking person who crosses his path. To me, that's kinda like going "Oh, and Mogwais like a good swim once in a while!" ... What gives?
post #40 of 43
It's messed up. In the first they say Chucky can only transfer himself into the first human contact and only in a specific duration of time. In the second, Chucky gets all furious when he learns that he waited too long. Now part 3 completely loses it and suddenly Chucky can transfer himself whenever he wants to.

One thing I always liked about the Childs Play flicks... the villain always gets an amazing death sequence.
post #41 of 43
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One thing I always liked about the Childs Play flicks... the villain always gets an amazing death sequence.
Or several, in the case of Child's Play 2.
post #42 of 43
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It's pretty much Dourif's one memorable sympathetic role, but he nails it.
Watch DEADWOOD. Doc Cochran was the soul of the show.
post #43 of 43
...I sadly lacked HBO during the run of the show. But I have thought about checking it out on DVD.
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