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Iran: the next big lie

post #1 of 10
7/16/07 at 3:44pm
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I heard a bizarre soundbite during the news portion of the Stern show this morning. Some Senator was talking about "finishing" the job in Iraq by eliminating all the "Iranian terrorists" that are killing troops in Iraq. Then I read the story about Cheney saying unequivocally that Bush will not leave office with Iran still "in limbo."

Meanwhile, what about Pakistan, which is giving al-Qaeda the red carpet treatment?

What about Saudi Arabia, the country of original of the majority of 9-11 hijackers and the home country of 45% of the Iraqi "insurgency"?

These are our "allies"? wtf?

This wouldn't have anything to do with Iran moving away from the US dollar for its oil trade, would it?
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post #2 of 10
7/16/07 at 4:21pm
I'm not surprised they are trying to lie their way into another quagmire. During the last six-and-a-half years that's the only thing this administration has proven to be good at.

I actually remember them trying to pull another "mushroom cloud as smoking gun" thing last year, claiming they had proof that Iran was very close to building a nuclear warhead. The IAEA blew the whistle on that lie.

what's the most distressing is how Bush and Co. have escalated violence in the Middle East. First 9/11 happens and they try to pin it on Saddam, just because they wanted his head. Iraq ends up a mess and they try to pin it on Iran, just because they want a piece of that scene too. They are just too dangerously stupid.
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post #3 of 10
7/16/07 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by mastronikolas
During the last six-and-a-half years that's the only thing this administration has proven to be good at.
Not really. They lie just as bad as before. People were just too naive and unwilling to listen to other sources back then.
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post #4 of 10
7/16/07 at 4:37pm
Mostly because the people were in a jingoistic feeding frenzy following 9/11.

We should thank out lucky stars the conspiracy nuts were wrong and the Bush administration was not a cabal of Hitleroids but a fairly incompetent, yet totally unscrupulous, corrupt and greedy bunch of politicians.

If they really were planning to consolidate power through quasi-fascist means, all they would need is a fake terrorist attack during the beginning of Dubya's second term. Judging by the way people ate up the official bullshit and all those terror alerts, this would pretty much reset their trust towards the White House.

But that doesn't mean they can't do a lot of damage just out of their lack of morals and intelligence.
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post #5 of 10
7/16/07 at 10:45pm
My favorite part of the current wave of propaganda is how every third Iraqi we kill is posthumously made a member of Al Qaeda by the Pentagon's spokespeople.

If we kill enough of them, the survivors will embrace us as liberators. This is what our President is telling us to accept as truth, every single time he tells us he needs more time for his Iraq strategy to work.

EDIT TO BRING THIS POST ON TOPIC:

It seems to me that the most efficient way of dealing with the threat of Iran would be to pull out of Iraq immediately, and stick them with a civil war in their backyard. Let them waste resources and lives, trying to bring order to their neighborhood before they have more refugees then they can possibly feed.
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post #6 of 10
7/16/07 at 11:51pm
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But if we don't invade Iran, all of Iraq's oil will be sold in Yen, OPEC and the western oil industry will lose control of the price, and Bush/Cheney and all its friends will lose their kingly riches. Isn't that worth dying for?
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post #7 of 10
7/17/07 at 12:12am
It's too bad somebody can't just man up, cut through all the corporate bullshit and go public with an alternative fuel source that isn't either terrible or doomed to be smothered by the oil industry. That way all these greedy bastards at home would be put out of business and we could effectively tell these Middle Eastern powers to go to hell. It's an impossible, beautiful dream.
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post #8 of 10
7/17/07 at 12:37am
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Pick up the new issue of Popular Science. The first couple of pages shows this:



... the world's first commercial solar plant, Spain's PS10. This array can power 6000 homes! The rest of the issue is themed: "engineering a better earth"
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post #9 of 10
7/17/07 at 12:50am
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Originally Posted by yt
But if we don't invade Iran, all of Iraq's oil will be sold in Yen, OPEC and the western oil industry will lose control of the price, and Bush/Cheney and all its friends will lose their kingly riches. Isn't that worth dying for?
If Iraq is a fucking mess, that can't help but escalate world oil prices.

As we are currently seeing.
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post #10 of 10
7/18/07 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by yt
But if we don't invade Iran, all of Iraq's oil will be sold in Yen, OPEC and the western oil industry will lose control of the price, and Bush/Cheney and all its friends will lose their kingly riches. Isn't that worth dying for?
Huh? Iran is a member of OPEC.
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