I’m going to go ahead and warn you right now that there are details within this piece that, if my assumptions are correct, could spoil things about Captain America: The Winter Soldier for any reader. This does not involve a story leak or any production rumors. It is simply speculation on my part based on the information at hand involving what we already know of the production, the existing films in the Marvel Movieverse, and the source material. If you wish to remain completely surprised by any possible revelation that may occur in the film upon its April release next year, then stop reading right now.
We know that our Iron Man 3 villains are The Mandarin (Ben Kingsley), Aldrich Killian (Guy Pearce), Savin (James Badge Dale), Firepower (Ashley Hamilton), and to a certain extent, AIM. We know that the big bads in Thor: The Dark World are Malekith the Accursed (Christopher Eccleston), Algrim the Strong/Kurse (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje), and (probably) Loki. Hell, we even have strong evidence suggesting that the adversaries in Guardians of the Galaxy are Thanos and The Controller. But what of Captain America: The Winter Soldier? Let’s have a look at that recently confirmed cast list…
- Chris Evans as “Steve Rogers/Captain America”
- Scarlett Johansson as “Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow”
- Sebastian Stan as “Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier”
- Emily VanCamp as “Agent 13” (aka Sharon Carter)
- Anthony Mackie as “Sam Wilson/Falcon”
- Robert Redford as “Alexander Pierce”
- Samuel L. Jackson as “Nick Fury”
- Cobie Smulders as “Agent Maria Hill”
- Maximiliano Hernandez as “Agent Jasper Sitwell”
- Frank Grillo as “Brock Rumlow” (aka Crossbones)
- Georges St. Pierre as “Georges Batroc” (aka Batroc the Leaper)
- Toby Jones as “Dr. Arnim Zola”
- Hayley Atwill as “Peggy Carter”
Before we get into the nemesis side of this particular equation, let’s backtrack and talk about what we know of the plot. Marvel has described it as such: “Captain America: The Winter Soldier” will pick-up where “Marvel’s The Avengers” left off, as Steve Rogers struggles to embrace his role in the modern world and teams up with Natasha Romanoff, a.k.a. Black Widow, to battle a powerful yet shadowy enemy in present-day Washington, D.C. Between that and Marvel grand poohbah Kevin Feige referring to it as a Clancy-esque political thriller, I think we have a decently clear picture of where this is headed. Assassinations, espionage, lies, deceit, corruption…the works. It also gives Marvel a nice way of covering why the heroes aren’t banding together to tackle every world problem. Thor will be off dealing with Asgardian issues and Iron Man will be fighting terror abroad; leaving Cap and SHIELD to deal with a dangerous domestic threat.
Now let’s take a look at our confirmed villainous line-up: Winter Soldier, Crossbones, Batroc the Leaper, and Zola. None of these shady punks are ever really their own boss. Hell, the first three are mercenaries. Now, given that Russia has yet to be mentioned anywhere in connection with this film, I’m guessing that particular aspect of the source material has been tossed out. This makes a lot of sense, as it will help streamline things and get the story rolling a whole lot easier. We already know that this film will feature some flashback sequences to Cap’s WW2 days; something that the presence of a returning Atwell and Jones only further cements. Does this mean Arnim Zola will remain confined to past memories*? Not necessarily, but for now let’s assume that the bulk of Toby’s scenes will involve the past. Given that he was obviously experimenting on Bucky when Cap busted the troops out of HYDRA’s facility, the streamlining of our Winter Soldier tale had already begun in Captain America: The First Avenger.
So how do Crossbones and Batroc fit in? I’m guessing that our three mercenaries form a small hush-hush Black Ops team that not only works for our government, but for an adversary that is undercover within it. A sleeper cell, if you will, that decides to seize the opportunity that the chaos of the events of Loki’s New York invasion have caused the country. Three of our four confirmed bad guys have ties to one particular major Marvel villain and he is one that Captain America is all too familiar with: Red Skull**. The bread crumbs are all there. The mysterious machine that Bucky was hooked up to in the previous Cap adventure. Zola being forced to defect. The confiscated HYDRA weaponry that appeared in The Avengers. The fact that Red Skull was merely transported somewhere by the Cosmic Cube, as opposed to dying as Cap thought at the time. I believe that HYDRA will be reborn in the Movieverse’s modern age and it will have a disguised Red Skull sitting at the head of its table.
The final piece of the puzzle to this round of speculation is the character of Alexander Pierce. Pierce, a close friend of Nick Fury’s, entered the comics in a storyline that saw SHIELD taken over by HYDRA with Deltites, which is another name Life Model Decoys. What is a Life Model Decoy? It is merely an exact robotic duplicate of a person and something that Marvel has used to write-off characters deaths countless times in the comics. Anyway, Agent Pierce joins with Fury to take back the organization and kick HYDRA’s ass. Pierce is also shown to be Fury’s personal aide/bodyguard. Now I don’t know about you, but I really can’t see Robert Redford playing the role as written. More than likely he will be a cohort of Fury’s with equal power or even his superior, at least professionally.
The inclusion of Pierce is a massive red flag. You don’t just hire someone like Redford to play some random supporting SHIELD character. If you hire him, it’s for a very important part, no matter the screentime. Also why would choose this particular SHIELD character if you don’t intend to pull other aspects from the storyline in which he first appeared? The answer is that you wouldn’t. Are we finally going to see LMDs appear in the Movieverse? I think we are. It just makes sense given the upcoming SHIELD show and ESPECIALLY in reference to the fact that we already know Agent “His Name Was Phil” Coulson (Clark Gregg) will mysteriously return to life in the near future. Not only does the use of this aspect of Pierce’s introductory tale sit will with the plot at hand, but it continues to lay groundwork for future Marvel projects to build on. That my Chewers, is something that Marvel is absolutely fond of doing with these films.
Enough pontificating though. If I am wrong, so be it! My gut tells me that I’m at least partially correct. HYDRA is alive and well in the present day. And it is alive and well within SHIELD. It may or may not have controlled LMDs infecting every area of the agency. It may even have Zola stowed away pulling their strings. It absolutely has a wetwork team comprised of Winter Soldier, Batroc the Leaper, and Crossbones. It has a leader who has yet to officially be revealed to us. That leader is Alexander Pierce. Yep, I’m calling it right now. Robert Redford is the goddamn Red Skull.
Source | My own fanboy lunacy
* – I hope not. With Marvel going increasingly cosmic with the likes of Thor: The Dark World, Guardians of the Galaxy, The Avengers 2, etc., I think there is PLENTY of room in the Movieverse for a giant robot that has a Toby Jones-face viewscreen in its tummy. Besides, it brings us on step closer to seeing MODOK realized on the silver screen.
** – I know many are hoping for the inclusion of Baron Zemo at some point. Chris Evans signed a 6-film contract, which effectively gets us a Captain America trilogy and an Avengers trilogy out of him at the very least. There is plenty of room for Baron Zemo and the Masters of Evil to take up residence in the inevitable Captain America 3 and/or the upcoming SHIELD series.








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Good speculation! I, too, was figuring Redford was more than just a SHIELD boss. He’ll be something else, probably that big bad, but not necessarily Red Skull.
Interesting and quite possibly spot-on speculation. Certainly it would be a perfect callout to the Skull’s usual modern-day MO (Infiltrating the US Government in disguise), and Robert freakin’ Redford as a third tier Marvel supporting character just…doesn’t really make sense unless he’s just REALLY a huge fan of Captain America and wanted to get involved.
Though I’ll admit I found myself wondering if Hugo Weaving’s comments some months back about how he didn’t care for the part were just a smokescreen to make folks doubt he would be back (I fully acknowledge that it may well have been 100 percent genuine…just spitballing here).
Of course, Redford is also just at the right age to play the son of a wartime nemesis of Captain America, too….If they went the “Magneto-casting” route with Baron Zemo…he’d fit perfectly.
Daniel W. Baldwin, Yeah, Pierce is a fairly low level S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent and not a…Natural fit for someone like Redford. I could see Redford as The Red Skull.
the real enemy in CA:TWS is TIME, TIME I TELL YOU! ITS GETTING IN THE WAY OF ME SEEING THIS MOVIE!
I may be wrong, but I’m seriously having a hard time accepting Robert Redford, the man who should have played a 1960s/1970s Steve Rogers, as the Red Skull. You mean with a German accent and all? Bullshit. Is it not possible that Redford saw the success of the superhero franchises and The Avengers in particular and said, “Hey, I haven’t done anything like that before…it might be fun.” I think he recently said as much in an interview.
This is maybe too “out there” for mainstream audiences to follow. Yes, I read and loved the Gruenwald storyline in the late 80s when the Skull showed back up in Steve Rogers’ cloned body, and became the shadowy head of the Commission on Superhuman Affairs HOLY F*** THEY’RE REALLY DOING THIS, AREN’T THEY OMG OMG OMG
That second paragraph was supposed to have a strikeout in it. Sorry. I basically came to an amazing (though probably unlikely) conclusion as I was writing, and it hit me like a firecracker.
To the uninitiated, this is what I’m talking about. http://www.comics101.com/archives/comics101/images/2004/sep22/redskull.jpg
This might be the case though Redford might just have a smaller part too. Tommy Lee Jones is a huge name as well but he had a very small role in the last movie. And also the fact is the villian masquerding as a good guy is rather clique. Thats been done in about half of the Bond movies and were done recently in Batman Begins, Iron Man and TDKR. But with talk about this being an espionage film it would make sense for Redford to be the Red Skull hiding out as Pierce, but it depends how it’s done it needs to be a weighty well written scene. Possibly Redford could still deliver that but I’m not sure. Though I do love that they are bringing back Bucky as The Winter Soldier and Armin Zola and adding Crossbones and Batroc. This might be the most anticipated Marvel movie coming out! Sorry Thor and Guardians.
Wait, wait, wait… You’re not sure if Redford can deliver a weighty, well written scene? Son, you’re on the wrong trolly.
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