The other day my brother and I were talking about the cartoon version of Justice League: The New Frontier* and we started laughing about Green Lantern and his ridiculous vulnerability to the color yellow. Frank Miller’s subversively brilliant All Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder has done a nice riff on how stupid the character and his weakness are, and modern day attempts to explain the inanity of being powerless against not an object but a color have only made things dumber. Now a ‘yellow fear demon’ somehow mucked around with the Green Lantern power source back in the day and… well, it’s just stupid.
Comic fans laughing about the yellow weakness is nothing new. We’ve been doing it for decades. But I think this weakness, and the mental gymnastics required to accept it, are indicative of the problem with superhero comics in the 21st century. Superheroes are inherently juvenile concepts that have been dragged, kicking and screaming, into a world of more ‘adult’ storytelling.
When John Broome and Gil Kane sat down and created the Silver Age Green Lantern, they didn’t give the plausibility of his weakness a lot of thought. They were thinking along the lines of what would be the most visually striking. A character who is defined by his primary color battling against another primary color – you can see how this would jump off the comic book rack at the hordes of readers. And because those hordes of readers were almost all kids, who cared if it made sense?
Almost all of the superhero characters who originated before the 1980s were aimed at children, or at most high school and college age people in the case of some Marvel Comics. They were created with logic that would appeal to children, and they were created at a time when realism wasn’t as highly valued in our entertainment as it is today (that’s a whole other Advocate I intend to write some day – how much is the insistence on realism hurting movies today?). As the comic reading community aged and the the creators began trying to keep up with them, the characters suddenly found themselves being put under a kind of stress they had never been meant to endure – they were suddenly psychoanalyzed and scientifically dissected; every adventure that didn’t fit the new view of comic book superheroes as complicated and ‘adult’ characters was thrown out. Batman alone lost about twenty years of stories during the course of Crisis on Infinite Earths.
This attempt at realism started in the 70s, but it really hit in 1986 with The Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen. It’s interesting to note that the two creators who jumpstarted the modern age of superhero comics more or less left superheroes behind afterwards; I think that both Frank Miller and Alan Moore understood how they had broken the basic concept of the superhero. Moore would return to superheroes in a very Silver Age way with his America’s Best Comics imprint,where fantastic adventures were more important than angst ridden characters, and Frank Miller’s return to superheroes have mostly been parody. It’s like he is coming back to the body he left in an alley and peeing on it.
To put this all in context, imagine if Alan Moore’s The Lost Girls – a pornographic story about Dorothy from Wizard of Oz, Alice from Alice in Wonderland and Wendy from Peter Pan – suddenly became the de facto way we approached those characters. The power of the story comes from examining them in deconstructive ways in which they were not consciously intended, but once you’ve done that you can’t just keep doing that. If the mainstream image of Dorothy becomes a cum drinking bisexual, you’re inherently damaging the character forever. Imagine if Disney decided to bring the same realism to their characters that DC and Marvel have brought to theirs, and Minnie and Goofy have a torrid affair and Donald becomes a drunk after the death of Huey in a car accident. These characters just aren’t built for that; they’ll fall apart if you insist on keeping them going in that direction.
There have been some superhero properties here and there that are successfully adult in a non-embarrassing way, but the comic reading base doesn’t reward these titles and instead keep flocking to books that endlessly wrestle with unmanageable continuity and use sex and violence to signify a more serious demeanor. It’s been depressing to see Grant Morrison, the most brilliant comic book writer perhaps ever, wasting his time in DC Comics’ sandbox for the last few years. His All Star Superman has been an amazing book, one that manages to capture the feeling of the Silver Age while being enjoyable for adults without being ‘adult,’ but most of his time is being spent on boring superhero crossovers. I think his intentions are good – he’s trying to reconcile all of Batman’s history with the character, including the goofy stories of the 50s and 60s – but he’s still toiling in a genre that’s dead. The money must be good, but the man who brought us one of the singular achievements in comic book auterism, The Invisibles, should probably be working on something less futile.
It’s my belief that the superhero should move on to his own Valhalla, the movies and TV. Superhero movies, aimed squarely at an all-ages crowd and appealing in huge numbers to kids in their early teens, have managed to capture the spirit of comics of decades ago in ways that surprise me. Modern fans went apeshit about ’emo Peter Parker’ and the dance scene in Spider-Man 3, but to me that scene read so true to the character’s 60s origins that it helped me forgive the movie’s disastrous finale and confused storytelling.
But as a comic book phenomenon, the super hero is completely broken. The envelope pushing of the 80s left the superhero naked, making his status as a teenage fascist, sexist power fantasy explicit instead of subtextual. The genre should have died then, and the creators who finished it off should have followed Moore and Miller on to new glorious places that can only be reached in the pages of comic books, but as so often happens in comics, the fans refused to follow. The world of comics is more diverse now than it has ever been, but it’s still hobbled by the immature, and thematically retarded, super hero, hogging all the dollars and all the creators. Until the new series by a genius like Jeff Smith (the already excellent from the first issue RASL) is getting as much attention as the latest iteration of Clusterfuck on Infinite Crossovers, the comic book as a medium just isn’t going to be able to make it to the next level.
*Absolutely terrible. It’s a Cliff’s Notes version of the story, mostly comprehensible to those who have already read the comic, filled with unexplained characters and cameos and rife with dialogue where the themes are painstakingly explained as opposed to communicated through action. A piece of shit.





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Interesting read.
I realize this is hyperbole intended to make a point (and I'm sure, bait out some fan-boys for hilariously indignant responses), but I'm pretty disappointed at the bile in this article, especially from someone who clearly knows comic books. Yes, constant cross-overs, ret-cons and other assorted nonsense by both DC and Marvel have taken a lot of the simple, stupid fun out of their big characters, but these events are just part of the huge world of comics. For every major character that's been stripped of their charm, there are plenty of others who have come to shine under new creative teams. Titles like Nova, The Punisher, Terror Inc., Moon Knight and Ghost Rider have taken the new, more adult nature of the comic industry and run with it, each becoming far greater than its original incarnation. Even better known heroes like Daredevil and Captain America have had some of their best runs in recent years (Especially impressive considering the latter's demise). As to that vintage appeal of simple fun over gloom and violence, there are plenty of new titles to fulfill that need as well. How about Deadpool, The Spirit or Atomic Robo? Yes, the days of pink Kryptonite are probably over, but that doesn't mean comics can't still be fun. To say the superhero as a character is inherently flawed is like saying comics themselves are broken because they no longer cost a dime. Superheroes have simply changed, and while there's certainly plenty of crap in the comics industry today, guess what? There was a lot of stupid stuff before Miller and Moore came along. No, RASL will probably never outsell the aptly put "Clusterfuck on Infinite Crossovers," but it would be a shame if someone's cynicism prevented them from enjoying a medium and a genre still ripe with potential.
Green is a secondary color. Just sayin'.
A few good points, but seriously, the level of bile in this article left a bad taste in my brain…comics should be, above all, fun and entertaining, even if it means throwing maturity out the window.
Also, the whole yellow thing is stupid as hell, but it was put to use and made sense of much later in comic books…all im saying is that the worse thing a comic can do is being bad and boring; its pop culture entertainment, and rightly so.
Ill take a blissfully moronic yet entertaining comic over some pretentious, elitist tripe everytime.
Comics are a terrific storytelling medium that is too often wasted on superhero stories — which are the science fiction genre's equivalent of day-time soap opera. Your column hit it right on the nose, although I doubt the rapid fans will want to hear it.
Complaining about the plausability of Green Lantern is akin to asking about the cell count of a dream. The Green Lantern stories (and all super-hero comics of the Silver Age) are potent pop-mythology for children. Attempting to deconstruct them (in much the same way one would a literary work like the Iliad) seems like an intellectual bankrupt exercise.
This column just seems pointlessly contentious, and not for the first time.
I agreed with everything you said (always good to see more Morrison love) until the conclusion that superheroes are broken, which I just don't think follows. What I think is that THESE superheroes are mostly broken (although I think Batman and a few others have stories in them). The real problem is that creators are continually forced to do riffs on a character that's kept stagnant by editorial policy – just look at the One More Day fiasco, where the amazing change was only to return Parker to an earlier state of the character. Most of the established superheroes have no established character as a result – hell, there are usually five authors writing the big ones, and never consistently. That doesn't mean the idea of superheroes are done, though. Take, for example, Invincible over at Image – Kirkman made his own characters, and with no powers that different from those found in other books (i.e. no gimmick), distinguished them by their personalities. Take what Fraction's doing with the Order, Invincible Iron Fist, and Casanova, who's gone exponentially beyond a traditional superhero. You might also be seeing the superhero as broken because you're only citing DC, which has royally fucked up its properties in the wake of the abysmal 52. But when you go outside of the established heroes, there are all sorts of great comic book superhero stories, and – let's face it – they're often only allowed to exist because the developmentally retarded buy the four variants of the silver foil Hulk Smash #0. When I hear people say that "There are no more stories in superhero comics" I think of the same type of people outside of the clique saying "All comics are just for little kids." There's genius in everything, if the right person does it in the right way.
Will, I'm curious if you read past the first two paragraphs. I'm curious because my whole point is that the attempt to make these characters into complex, adult-skewing, continuity laden and plausible things has broken them.
Mickey Mouse is meeting with his divorce lawyer. "I told you", says the lawyer, "You can't divorce Minnie just because she's stupid." Mickey looks at him, angrily. "I didn't say she was stupid", he says, "I said she was fucking Goofy".
Devin; there are other comics out there. That's the point you seem to be missing. A lot of people are deciding to buy comics that are not necessarily related to the SUPERHERO GENRE. They have been decided to do so for years. However, much like in the way the Summer Blockbuster funds all of the dependents Fall movies, the comic industry would be fucked without the SUPERHERO COMICS. The few comic book stores left in this country would be FUCKED without the SUPERHERO COMIC. They are a necessary evil. Either accept it, or move on.
I've almost completely dropped superhero monthly books, and its because of that exact reason. I'm not fourteen any more and the appealing aspects of the characters have been lost on me ("teenage fascist, sexist power fantasy" is about as perfect a description of the superhero as I've ever heard). The only time I really ever dabble in spandex books is when a great creator gets involved, like Grant Morrison's All-Star Superman or his current Batman run, or Whedon's Astonishing X-Men. Devin's 100% right about the characters (and the genre) being broken, and it's an issue I have with a lot of geek fiction. People who've complained about the Indy IV trailer being too silly, for example, just don't get the point. These are children's properties and they always have been. To expect more mature content from a superhero story is asking for too much of inherently childish material. I'm not saying that there haven't been great works with these characters, but you're not likely to get another Watchmen or Dark Knight Returns. Books like those are classics because they were fresh, original and had something to say. Identity Crisis, for one, is a recent example of a genre geared toward an adult audience that's eager and hungry for mature thematic material but isn't yet ready to give up on their childhood fictions.
My attitude with anything fantastical is that you're never going to convince me that giant monkies, dinosaurs in manhattan, and flying men are real. So why bother trying to convince me of their realism in the first place? Superman Returns was rubbish for all it's fancy angst and self-glorifying symbology. I would have been happier if Lex had concocted a giant robot and Superman had to fight it for the finale. That's a Superman movie.
if devin had his way all superhero movies and comics would be like his beloved Fantastic Four Movies. Retarded.
I'm not sure I even understand the point of this rant. Devin's slowly starting to lose credibility with me over the last year.
I find the comic book medium to be making some interesting strides, at least in regards to certain characters and titles. Take Captain America. His current book is the best CA has ever been. It takes a somewhat ridiculous character (aren't they all?) and portrays him and his world into a somewhat realistic setting while keeping the action and intrigue high. How is CA as a character broken? I can still go back and read older CA issues and enjoy them. I just think this new take works for our time.
How about Iron Man? How is he broken as a character? Yes, during Civil War he was portrayed as something of a Nazi. Still didn't make him broken. In fact, he's more complex that he's ever been. Was he broken when the classic Demon in a Bottle storyline came out? In fact, there's your deconstruction of the super-hero, and it's years before the lauded (and overrated) DKR and Watchmen. If anything, recent directions with IM had gotten him back on track as a complex and flawed character.
And isn't this what we're talking about? Flawed characters. Making them more realistic and layered. Ancient myths and stories always had flawed heroes. Those early superheroes (like Superman) had physical flaws and later ones (like most of Marvel's) had personality flaws. This allows them to still be relevant. The characters have a built-in grounding that people can relate to. There's a reaon these characters endure and are starting to thrive in other media.
I'm amazed that superheroes still exist. And not only exist…they have evolved. They are unique to all previous fictional characters and stories because they're evolving to fit the times. The same characters are moving forward with their audiences and still feel relevant to their audiences. It's an incredible testament to their viraliity.
If you want to personally regress to your early years, read something from that era. If you're interested in reading about adult heroes in fantastic settings, try picking up some current books. There are good books out there. There are excellant stories being told. Just seek them out. And start by avoiding crossovers (they've never really been the cream of the crop).
I've lurked on this site ( and it's forums ) for years, and for some reason feel the need to comment this time. First off….Devin, I think you a fucking great writer. I know this because there have been equal amounts of colums written by you that have made me wish you were in the room so I could hug you, and an equal amount of stories where I also wish you were in the room so I could slap the smug, self importance out of your face. You remind me a lot of Bill Maher, another person who I mostly agree with, but who can barely contain his attitude of " If you disagree with me, I pretty much think you're stupid" that often turns me off. But anyone who can bing out both sides of me on a regular basis is a great writer in my book, that I will say.
And to a certain extent, I agree with some of what you are saying here. Certainly not all Super Heroes have been helped by the post Dark Knight/Watchmen "real" approach to them, as the 90's proved. But I think this past decade has been mostly really great towards super heroes; Bendis' Ultimate Spider-Man, Grant Morrison and Joss Whedon's runs on X-men, and Brubaker's Captain America at Marvel. At DC, no one has been doing Super Hero comics as well as Geoff Johns and the previously mentioned Grant Morrison. You say Morrison is "wasting his time" in the Super Hero sandbox, but I've enjoyed few books as much I loved his JLA, Batman and All Star Superman.( Now Warren Ellis? THERE'S a great writer who IS wasting his time when doing super heroes. He clearly has the same elitist attitude about the whole genre that yo do, and it comes across whenever he attempts to write them as anything but parody, like Nextwave was. ) The reason you can't enjoy Morrison's super hero books Devin, isn't because they are bad, but because you simply can't do the "mental gymnastics" as you put it, to enjoy them. Sure…to enjoy these kinds of stories, you gotta shut off part of your brain ( and indulge another ) But I don't see it as being any different than shutting of a similar part of your brain when watching things like Star Wars. I mean, you KNOW that there's no sound in space, but you ignore that. Why is this any different? And yes, to a large extent to enjoy these things one needs to get in touch with their inner 14 year old. So what? We've all got one. And as far as I can tall, MOST men spend their waking hours indulging that inner 14 year old, even if it's watching and obbsessing over sports or playing video games. I have no interest in either of those things, but I don't begrudge or look down upon those who do. And Devin….don't tell me it's not your inner 14 year old that loves all those exploitation horror movies you have written about so well. C'mon now.
I'm a pretty damn smart guy who LOVES him some Super Heroes. I always have and I always will. I know many a self loathing geek who turn their noses up at them ( but actually kinda like 'em, sorta….just don't tell anyone ) but life's too short for that shit. And as for your comments about the New Frontier movie, I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it. Yeah, it is just the Cliff Notes version of the graphic novel, but I can't think of any movie adaptation of a book that isn't.
And hey…weren't you on G4 last week wearing the same Spider-Man shirt from Target that I have? Talk about mixed signals Devin.
Thank God someone finally called "The New Frontier" movie on being as bad as it is. Completely pointless to those who haven't read the book, completely disappointing to those who have, it's an artless, pointless endeavour that insults more than it does anything else. Harry Knowles' glowing review for it only continues to cement his status as the world's most inept and clueless film reviewer, incapable of disliking any film or using critical reasoning in any capacity.
Bullshit. What Geoff Johns and company are doing in GREEN LANTERN today are proving that this character and his whole mythos is still rich with storytelling potential. The same goes for almost any superhero.
There are no bad characters, just bad writers. Period.
Yeah I have a love/hate relationship with you too Devin, your love for film is great and I abosrb your insight like a sponge, but why is it whenever you venture out from your comfort zone you seem like a total douche. You think Anime needs to be sterilized without seeing some of the more better examples of the genre, you don't have much use for video games but goddamn you'll play some Guitar Hero, and anyone who's feeling nostalgic must be a man-boy idiot, now you're on to comics.
The difference with Captain America and Daredevil is that neither book is a superhero comic anymore. Captain America turned into an espionage thriller starting with Brubaker's first issue, and Daredevil has been part crime story, part courtroom drama since back when Bendis started writing it. In fact, most of the comics everyone has been citing rarely use the superhero idea anymore in their telling of their stories. They're not just trying to be dark, realistic superheroes. The writers are trying to make them something unique. Who can honestly call Ennis's Punisher a superhero comic? Why not just classify Iron Fist as a martial arts comic?
Yeah, I was starting to think there was something really wrong with me, cause everyone is worshiping that silly New Frontier cartoon but me. I mean, there was some nice stuff in there, but as a whole it was simply *bad*. And yet people want to take it home and have babies with it. It's disgusting.
To repeat what I said in the forums, because I really don't think it can be said enough: everyone will be a lot happier when superheroes go back to being just one comic book genre among many. As THE dominant mainstream genre, it's being asked to carry a weight that it can't bear, and it's forcing people who would be much happier elsewhere to write for this obnoxious niche genre. Even if you're a hardcore superhero fan, you'll be doing your chosen genre a favour to occasionally venture outside your comfort zone and support a good non-Marvel or DC book.
Well, how about the original GL, whose main weakness was wood? As dumb as it may be, it still makes some sense in that character's origin story, as his powers were aligned to magic, not big-headed Guardians out in space.
As to superhero movies – the Fantastic Four films probably capture more of the spirit of comicbooks than even I like to admit. I had to watch them three times to see that they had any worth, as I'd been conditioned by the attempts at realism done by Donner, Singer et al. Does anyone here wonder how George Miller is going to film JLA? What if he did it in such a manner as to just make it FUN and not worry about complex psychological piffle aka Frank Miller? Just my two cents.
Is GL's yellow "weakness" really any weirder than Superman deriving his power from Earth's yellow sun?
Remember, Devin is the idiot who thought the Fantastic Four movie was better than Batman Begins.
The guardians created the GL Corp as a inter galactic police force.
This was their second attempt, the first being the 'Manhunters' who went bad in a very bad way.
They deliberatly put in the achilles heel of the colour yellow, so you know… they dont get to big for their britches.
Just when I thought Devin was a 10 on the pompous elitist ass scale, he goes to 11.
I'm kind of confused by all of the bile from the talkbacks. What Devin's saying isn't any different from what people have been saying for almost 20 years. Superheroes are for people who are teenagers, who never grew out of being a teenager or those just enjoy the feeling of the childish escape fantasy. Superhero comics that do more than that are usually doing so in spite of their superhero trappings (the aforementioned Daredevil is a good example of this).
I'm not a fan of this logic:
1. I'm saying something controversial about a beloved geek icon (ie Green Lantern)
2. The fans are rabid and will argue vehemently against my opinion.
3. Therefore, since I predict the "rabid" fans to react negatively, their reaction isn't worth paying attention to.
4. The fans' arguments are inconsequential to the primacy of my opinion.
Consistently I see this logic in forums and in editorials. This has got to stop.
You're an idiot Devin. Why don't you read Geoff Johns' Green Lantern and Dave Gibbons Green Lantern Corps. Both are the best books out at the moment and probably of the decade. It's Star Wars meets Sueprheroes. Talking shit on what Green lantern has become is like saying Star Wars, Aliens and terminator is shit. So don't talk shit when you obviously haven't done all your research. And the Yellow fear monster was introduced almost 4 years ago. But you suddenly found out now? Look at how Geoff Johns has used that idea and put it into Sinestro Corps War, the greatest Superhero story ever. A story up there with The Empire Strikes Back. Ohh and no one takes the ramblings of an overweight Serpico seriously, you just look like the loser no one likes but you also talk like one.
You are an idiot, Devin!! I still love to roll around naked on my pile of comic books, and use my Green Lantern #64 to rub cocoa butter all over my delicious body plums. Superheroes are not broken! We have the technology, we can rebuild them!
Nice article. Well said, Devin.
It was just as much comics losing space in convenience and grocery stores that killed them being an art form primarily for kids and older geeks. In the early mid 90's US, when they became only available in specialty shops and bookstores, that is when you saw the true change into the mature-themed slant blanketing most major comics. The younger base was gone, or at least seriously dwindled, so all that was left were older arrested development fantasy junkies.
Thats why I dont exactly jibe with this statement- "The world of comics is more diverse now than it has ever been,…" At least in the older days, you had some fridge geeks and a lot of kids and some casual buyers (because comics were on those super market shelves) into comics. Now the number of kids and overall casual buyers is down and all that you are left with is the geek, a smaller audience than it would like to admit.
Devin, I'm beginning to see a pattern in your little diatribes. In almost every case, you develop an outrageous or controversial opinion that elevates you from the "geek horde," and then you manipulate facts to support your high-minded, intellectual superiority. This automatically makes you immune to criticism, because you've put yourself above the geeks, implying that their fanaticism is embarrassing, and obviously they have nothing of importance to say, because they like x-piece-of-trash or y-genre. But the simple fact that you spent hours writing a disenchanted fanboy rant places you explicitly into the group that you seem to despise. It makes you a low-minded fanboy who spent hours he could have used to produce something useful or contribute to society writing about how super heroes are broken. Really? REALLY? Broken super heroes that you are done with require that much effort and attention? This reeks of so much insecurity it's scary. If you're so done with super heroes, then be done with them. Stop spending hours berating people for liking the things they like, just because you don't.
Great article, Dev. you at your venomous best! Flame On!
It is worth noting that Frank Miller used the Green Lantern to save the day at the end of Dark Knight Strikes Again. While Miller might be joking around with the character in All Star Batman, he clearly respects the character enough give him the savior role in that book.
To me, it was never how stupid the "yellow impurity" was, in as much as how consistantly the rules used to explain it were enacted, explained and accounted for. Good writters know that a hero with no weakness is less of a hero, and that is why Superman has his Kryptonite, and GL had the yellow impurity. It's why Batman scares the shit out of the rest of the DC community, because his only weakness is his drive, which is scary at the least. Being that GL's power was all about "will" and "courage", and that was steeped in morality, the weakness was never really a weakness, as a good hero always works around the problem, rather than hide from it. That has been the consistancy in a majority of the GL portrails since the silver age, and Geoff Johns' current run only shows how a good writter can work aound a rediculous idea and turn it into a epic storyline.
besides the yellow weakness, I don't think Green Lantern is a 'stupid' character at all. He's no more silly than Thor or whomever. I'm sorry Devin, you lost me on that.
Believable? Really?
He flys by using the power of a piece of jewelry and his "will power." The hardest part of all of this for you to believe that he is weak to yellow? Honestly?
How is it worse that Kryptonite, flame, metal, etc… Hell, if we're talking Batman and Green Arrow bullets would do the job. With the exception of many Marvel heroes, Superheroes always have a weakness, and Marvel's weanesses are just more obscure, like Storm's claustropobi, Spiderman's guilt, etc…
How about we spend our time, I dunno… Doing something meaningful with your life. That may help.
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