I can’t tell you how disappointing it is to me that Ben Stein is starring in and has cowritten a movie about Creationism called Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. The guy’s been a right wing fascist longer than he’s been a popcult icon (he was a Nixon speech writer, for the love of the Shambling Ones), but he’s always seemed like one of ‘The Good Ones,’ i.e. a right wing fascist with a sense of humor and a stunning intelligence to back up his arguments. Until now – the guy who hosted the very smart quiz show Win Ben Stein’s Money has seemingly turned his back on reason and science.
His film has begun showing to evangelical megachurch groups, and Orlando Sentinel critic and international playboy Roger Moore got an invite to a screening. But just before the screening he learned the invite had been revoked. Moore decided to go anyway, and using his best spy techniques sat amongst a crowd of Holy Rollers and watched the garbage Stein unspooled. He then wrote a scathing review: ‘It’s a rabble-rouser of a doc that uses all manner of loaded images,
loaded rhetoric, few if any facts and mockery of hand-picked “weirdo”
scientists to attack those who, Stein claims, are stifling the
Religious Right’s efforts to inject intelligent design into science
courses, science curricula and the national debate.’
The New York Times tracked down Stein and got some comments from him, including saying that Moore’s charges that the movie uses Holocaust denier tactics is ‘nonsense.’ Says Stein, ‘[T]here’s just a lot of people who don’t believe that big science and
Darwinism should have a stranglehold on academic life, and they have
been waiting for a voice.’
I don’t get this. Science isn’t democracy. You don’t get a voice. I know that Ben Stein understands this, since he’s not a stupid man. Just because you don’t understand science doesn’t make it wrong… and it sure as shit doesn’t make it ‘religion,’ as some especially retarded Creationists like to say. No, you can go to school and learn the basic facts and maths and double check all of the findings of science. I can study theology for decades but there will never be a theorem that allows me to prove God. And in fact I’d wager that most of these Christian morons wouldn’t want to study theology, since that discipline promotes philosophical thinking about God instead of blind dogma swallowing.
We’ll never get invited to a screening of this movie, which is opening in April, but I’m going to keep an eye out for it. I honestly believe that the people who back ‘Intelligent Design’ are among the most dangerous elements of our society, people who are a step away from being American Taliban. When facts and logic have no place in your view of science, what hope does freedom and liberty have in your view of government?





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Speak it brother.
Fuck this guy. I have a lot of patience for many different viewpoints, but I draw the line at this blatant idiocy.
Let's wait untill the Earth is at least ten thousand years old before we start declaring theological or scientific theories as fact!
if there is a god, wouldn't s/he/it make it the easiest thing in a world to dissprove s/he/it, thus bring that whole…'faith' thing into the mix.
as for the movie, fuck this shit. i loves me a good, well thought out argument any day of the week. fuck this shit
"And in fact I'd wager that most of these Christian morons wouldn't want to study theology, since that discipline promotes philosophical thinking about God instead of blind dogma swallowing."
The sign of a true Christian (or anyone believing in faith) is that they find it on their own terms rather than blindly accepting; challenging your beliefs is a positive.
I don't know why I bother to respond. Devin writing an article about faith or opposing political beliefs is about as informed as a man writing about the pains of childbirth from the females' perspective. It was a good laugh, though.
Haha, "big science." I can just imagine a bunch of white-smocked scientists sitting in a smoke-filled room and conspiring on the next wave of verifiable facts to feed to a community that slavishly relies on unbiased logic and reason.
Post #5 by "Tool of Longinus". Oh yeah, this guy really makes me wanna sign-up for the Cross team. Devin's point is that the majority of Christians DO NOT challenge their beliefs and thus try to stay away from things that would lend themselves to it (e.g. studying theology), so please understand the point being made before you bring out the epic fail level metaphor put downs. Also, why did you give Owen up for adoption?
Don't mistake intelligent design for even a misguided attempt at science. It's just the way that evangelical Christians try to force their Creationist views into schools as part of a larger overall strategy to encourage a 'return to traditional moral values.' I don't even think most intelligent design advocates honestly believe what they're saying–it's just a means to an end.
Real scientists are only ever sure of one thing: Science is a method, not the result. Any and all theories put forward in any disciplie of science are only as provalbe as they need to be until the next most logical conclusion takes it's place. Then that theory can be proven or disproven in time as well, and replaced by the next best theory. It's designed so that we keep investigating and learn more as we go along.
I heard him getting interviewed on some movie show about this film and he mentioned the fact that Nazis believed in evolution like that helps his argument. He is despicable. there is no scientific way to prove a magical being from above created mankind. You summed it up best devin. When it comes to hard scientific facts it is no a democracy. this is a non issue and calling it "intelligent design" is just their underhanded way at getting religion back into the schools. They also refer to darwinism as if the idea hasn't been explored any further since darwin was around.I know I am not making mucgh sense it just gets me so mad. although those kirk cameron videos on you tube where he proves creationism is true in clear simple ways for the whole family to agree on are fantastic
Big deal, all this is is a smart way to grab up tons and tons of money from the deeply religious. Like you said… smart guy.
Please, please, please eviscerate this thing every chance you get. People need to understand how balls out stupid this shit is.
Roger Moore is a tool and a hack of a critic. But he's most likely right about this one. Just like a broken clock.
Some folks here seem confused. Just so you all know: Intelligent design is not the same thing as creationism.
Well, I may disagree with you and your kneejerk, reactionary opinions on religion, but at least your making an informed decision having seen the movie.
"Some folks here seem confused. Just so you all know: Intelligent design is not the same thing as creationism."
You better check out Cdesign Proponentsists: http://www.ocellated.com/2006/01/27/cdesign-proponentsists/
Intelligent Design is just a more palatable term designed to sneak creationism in the back door.
Stunning intelligence? Missed it.
Intelligent design is creationism — don't pass off that shit it is something different. A shiny new package, maybe, but the same people making the same stupid arguments. The funny thing is, the very things IDers point to, like the eye, actually are the biggest arguments against creation, because once you know how those organs work, you come to realize no intelligent being would design them that way. Scientific American once ran an illustration of what a human would look like if our bodies were intelligently designed to eliminate all the flaws — the resulting creature was a bit nightmarish.
If God made us why do male nipples and toes exist?
We didn't "evolve" from reptiles so no need for the basic female embryonic form that changes sex later right?
Didn't evolve from apes so why do we have toes that would be more useful if we had webbing or if they were prehensile like say…fucking apes…
As usual, if Fat Fuck Faraci, PhD doesn't agree with it, it must be wrong.
No, it's wrong because it's fucking WRONG. You're free to believe whatever stupid shit you want in this world, but when you try to pass it off as science and teach it to kids, you cross a line and deserve more ridicule than you can stand. And ID is creationism. If it's not really creationism, why did the first 1987 draft of the "Of Pandas and People" book have the word "creation" all through it? The word got replaced in later drafts with "intelligent design" and then dumb people became dumber. Seriously, people.
For a second I thought that said Michael Moore instead of Roger, and I was about to say, how the hell does that kettle get to say anything to the pot?
But yeah, creationism is bad science and bad religion. Yet only one of those is a band. Go figure.
Ad hominem attacks… I suppose it must be true that creationism is a lie because you can swear and name call and provide no facts to support Darwinism… Why don't you watch the movie (I have)… It does make darwinism look uniformed because none on your side want to honestly debate the issue… And yes there is a theorem that proves God exists… it's a LAW called the second LAW of Thermodynamics…. why don't you stop turning purple and give an argument and leave the safety of your mother's basement… my apologies for the ad hominem… I thought it would make me appear cool…
Thank you. Couldn't have said it better.
If intelligent design were real, how do you explain retards?
I hate the way everybody keeps saying Ben Stein is so intelligent. He has an excellent memory and a moderately facile wit, nothing more. He is an _awful_ economist. He just about always gets it all wrong, right on the front page of yahoo finance, and occasionally the nytimes.
Typical quote: “Frankly, aside from the rising cost of oil (the other side of the equation of the falling dollar), the typical family buys little from abroad.''
Look at the "made in" label on the next 10 things you buy and tell me how much you believe that.
Fucking dunce.
Preach it brother. Want to know something really scary though – my brother is in medical school and his professors are vouching for this shit as a legitimate scientific theory. They're giving him books and pointing him toward essays that supposedly 'disprove' and 'poke holes' in Darwinism and evolutionary theory, thus legitimizing I.D. as a valid alternative theory that, they say, should taught in high school SCIENCE classes.
Fuck high school, they're teaching this shit in MEDICAL SCHOOLS!
I told my brother to make a list of every quack in his class that swallowed this bullshit so I don't accidently see one when they start practicing.
I feel divided writing this right now. Because on one hand, I'm right there with Devin; "intelligent design," or creationism, seems preposterous to me. But, at the same time, an argument against the believed theory can still be relevant, or beneficial, right? Maybe I'm being a bit lofty with this idea, but scientifically speaking, evolution is a theory. I'm sorry if some people just think that I'm overstating the obvious, but Darwin's work, evolution, is scientifically unproven. Why should it get to carry so much more weight than another theory, or even a different hypothesis? It's just that, I feel like different manners of thinking should always be encouraged. I'm not saying that creationism should be taught in schools as fact, but by the same token, why should evolution? An expanding of horizons is what should be the idea. If that means that evolution and creationism are both given equal weight, then so be it. But don't just knock something because you feel strongly, you feel as though you know, that it isn't correct.
Granted, I haven't seen the film, so this could just be malarkey.
Gravity is a theory as well, unknown user. A theory in science does not have the same meaning as a theory in Sherlock Holmes stories.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory#Science
You know i'd be right with you Devin about all this " Facts and Logic " as you say it but you don't apply it or that to Michael Moore who you love and idolize therefore you're just another hypocrite which means you're just another hypocrite who writes and has power.
To #28. No, no, no, no. Evolution is not an unproven theory. Evolution is proven. Darwinian evolution is proven. Instead of just believing that 'theory' means hypothesis, look at the actual research, there isn't a legitimate biological scientist that questions evolution as a fact (the reason it is termed theory is because in science a theory is the term you give something that is used to explain observed phenomenon. Thus, the 'Theory of Gravity'). Actually look into this stuff. Everytime I ask for someone to point to a current biologist who disputes the validity of Evolution all I get is snarky commentary and no actual answers. Someone point me in the direction of an accredited scientist who doubts Evolution, I'm begging you.
"Where is your God when you need him? Huh? Where is your beautiful, merciful faggot now? *cough* Here I come, God. Here I come, you fucking rat… *cough*"
Prehensile toes sound nice, but what I'd really prefer is a prehensile tail – one with a stinger at the end…
#23
To quote MC Hawking: "Creationist's always try to use the second law to disprove evolution, but their theory has a flaw: The law is quite precise about where it applies, only in a closed system must the entropy count rise. The earth's not a closed system, it's powered by the sun so fuck the damn creationists, Doomsday get my gun!"
Seriously man, this is something that has been observed for centuries, take corn or bananas, by selecting for the traits we want humans have turned these plants into something unrecognisable compared to what they used to be. Why couldn't this be spurred by natural occuring selection pressures?
If this story proves anything, it's that Roger Moore is still the coolest English gentleman on this planet.
Intelligent design freaks can lick my cock all the way up and down and then shoot themselves in the face. Deluded, idiotic, sinister douchebags. Fuck yourselves.
Hopefully they can get Bill Mahers new anti religious movie to come out the same time to counter this filth. Intelligent design makes a mockery out of science. It is no wonder we are behind the rest of the world when it comes to math and science.
I guess what I don't get is why science and faith can't coexist. There's no way that the Earth just popped up a few thousand years ago, and most creationists are morons who aren't that far from being flat Earthers, but conversely, I do believe in a Higher Power. It's not a Bully God, but it's something, and He/She probably thinks this movie's stupid too.
What the fuck? Michael "fuck-head" Moore does the same thing and you praise the fat fuck? These movies come down to one thing: are they good cinema or shit? If the right wants to film their tantrum let them, if the left does LET THEM…only when they fuck up a good movie do we need to get pissed.
I am a Christian that believes in creation, and I am a geologist. I have studied paleontology (the study of evolution for you Neanderthals out there) and have written many papers debating the finer points between the evolutionary theories of punctuated equilibrium and phyletic gradualism. I understand the inner workings of evolutionary theory and Darwin's Origin of Species, I daresay, better than most of the people on this board. All that being said, evolution and intelligent design do not have to be mutually exclusive. Who knows how God works? It's shocking….but maybe He used evolution. I'll ask Him when I die. As for geology, the Earth can't be 10,000 years old, unless God created the earth with a prior history (i.e. the Earth was created with dinosaur bones in the ground) and dinosaurs never actually walked on the planet. Unlikely, I think. You can't argue around simple sedimentation rates.
Finally, even though I buy into several facets of evolutionary THEORY, it has not been proven. F=MA has been proven. Gravity HAS been proven (F=gM1*M2/R squared). However, we have never seen anything evolve. We won't likely live long enough to either. In following the scientific method a Theory cannot become scientific fact until it has been proven by observable, empirical and measurable evidence.
Also, don't confuse adaptation with evolution. As a scientist, we have absolutely no proof (evidence…yes, proof…no) that interspecies evolution has ever occurred. In order to prove it, we would have to see it happen. Our scientific community is way too arrogant. We have made incredible advances in science and medicine during the past 100 years, but in the scope of the universe, we know nothing.
The truth is that we will probably never know. Until we have proof, we are wasting a lot of time arguing philosophy and theory not fact. Until it is proven, (i.e. we actually watch evolution happen) we should not discount intelligent design. Both are legitimate philosophy's.
To #38,Hudson, I've always thought that religion and science can co-exist as well. The problem is that for fundamentalist Christians, the bible is the literal truth. Everything in it is truem even the parts that contradict each other. So when anyone comes along to challange that view, they freak out. Science becomes, in their mids, the tool of the devil. Literally a way for Satan to disrupt God's plan. And they cannot be reasoned with. So while a majority of Christians (I hope) aren't ID'ers or full blown creationists, the fundamentalists view their fight as one against the forces of darkness. It's a creepy worldview, but I think it's one they genuinely believe. I have no idea why Ben Stein would become an IDer though. Nixon wasn't exactly big on religion, and conservative economists seem like they'd rather worry about free markets than ID.
Religion is a mental illness. There's no pills for it, sadly.
the bible is the best selling work of fiction of all time,people who put thier lives in the hand of an imaginary being are the most dangerous people in our world right now,how can you think that the earth is only 10000 years old,there are so many false and contradictory statments in the bible you would have to be a little brainwashed to buy all that crap
The way God could be put into the arguement of the creation of the universe is that he got the tools, that made the gases, that created the big bang.
#40…"Our scientific communities are way too arrogant." This preceded by…" I understand the inner workings of evolutionary theory better than most of the people on this board." Nice way to prove your point by being it? Hey Denali, replace that non-carbon dated thumb that's up your ass with one of your geode love beads and then contemplate who has the insurmountable lead in the arrogance marathon, science or religion? Stop trying to straddle fences with the distinctive waft of douchebaggery here and go back to tutoring children about your Σταλαγμίτης in the janitor's closet.
Jesus, when did Ben Stein go mental
Organized Religion is the last true evil left on this planet. It is the one thing that still keeps people apart. Organized Religion is a crutch for the stupid and the weak minded.
sidenote: i live in orlando, and roger moore is one of the worst, most vile film critics around.
"Some folks here seem confused. Just so you all know: Intelligent design is not the same thing as creationism."
Shut it, YOU are confused.
God spelled backwards is Dog. One rearrange spells Neo. Rearragne the letters of Creationism and it spells……………….. I am a buffalo, lead me over the cliff.
Put that in your pipe in smoke it, I have had to much already(smoke that it is)
There's a lot wrong with organized religion, but don't mistake religion with faith … religion is based, typically, around men going on and on that they understand the will of God and aiming to impose that belief on you … if God exists (and I believe He/She does in some form, just not the Big White Guy in the Sky), then who the hell are we to even GUESS what God's intentions are? Faith is saying I don't understand God, or Buddha, or Allah, or who/whatever you believe, and being OK with that.
I believe in flying leprechauns. I have faith that exist. Now prove to me that they don't exist. You can't? So then god created flying leprechauns.
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