
You
and I and all those people out there with a vocal love of film have
ruined it for everyone, pimping movies up, falling in love with
mediocre films and championing them to near-legendary status. We’ve
embraced turkeys, legitimized borderline movies, and elevated modest
films in our favorite franchises above and beyond realistic standards.
We’ve even embraced the films everyone likes, somehow adding a
credibility to them that transcends the mainstream. Sacred cows, little
flicks, and everything in between. It’s time we took a look inward and
came clean with 25 movies we think need to be taken down a peg or two.
These are our four categories for this list:
These guys have had it too easy. Far too easy. Don’t believe the insane hype.
OVERBLOWN
Good flicks that have gotten too damn big for their britches.
MISUNDERSTOOD
Asshole, you love this film for all the wrong reasons.
WHAT THE FUCK
Something went horribly wrong here and it’s carried over the the fans, who are blinded by shizer.
CHUD’s Logline: A lonely, anger-prone man tries to find his way in life and heads on down the road towards his first real relationship. In his ignorance and stupidity, he doesn’t see the inevitable disaster looming (not filmed). Based on the true story of a real nutjob!
Its Legacy: A motherfucking Golden Globe nomination for Adam Sandler. Hundreds of people thinking that he can actually act. Scores of socially inept film fans wishing they could find an Emily Watson of their own so they can stop busting up public bathrooms and hating themselves. Paul Thomas Anderson’s third failure as a feature film director.
Why It’s Here: Remember when Jim Carey showed up in The Truman Show and did something a tiny bit different than his usual schtick and people went crazy for it? Remember how people ranted and raved about his performance and said it was a revelation, and started throwing around crazy phrases like “Oscar-worthy”? Have you seen it recently? Doesn’t exactly hold up, does it?
Same applies here with Adam Sandler. Everyone went nuts for this one when it came out, and I had friends going to film school who looked at it as a perfect film, something to strive for in their own work. Critics wondered if this was a start of a new era for Sandler. Roger Ebert compared him to Dennis Hopper, and another even compared him to Chaplin in City Lights… I shit you not.
What’s Punch-Drunk Love, really? Just one short, clunky movie. It starts off slow and boring, much like the protagonist. It tries to kick-start into life a little bit and does even manage to roll along a bit with one or two fantastic scenes (especially when his love interest and sister show up at work- incredible sound design there) but it ends up sputtering and dying before ever really knowing where it was going.
Sandler’s not a revelation in this film. He’s playing the exact same socially stunted man-child he plays in every film, albeit of a slightly different variety. Here it’s as if his usual character grew up in an alternate universe where his goofy voices brought only disdain from his family, instead of them putting up with it for years and years so he can use them to appear impossibly cute to women way out of his league. Here he’s a violent, angry douchebag with some serious mental issues, the kind of person who you’re glad can’t get a real relationship because you know that the world would be better off without his seed running around.
But the biggest fault with the film by far is that for a romantic comedy, there’s not a whole lot of heart here. In fact, there’s really no feeling of attraction between the leads at all. They just seem to be two retards who bumped heads and liked what they felt. Now there’s nothing wrong with awkward love in film- that’s how real relationships are, rocky and strange and generally uncomfortable. But there’s at least usually some feeling or passion there.
It’s so plain that PTA seems to have wanted to spruce up the otherwise boring story with a plot twist and characters ripped straight out of a Coen Brothers comedy. Who’ve lost their scripts and acting ability.
It’s not a terrible film by any shot, but it’s basically the feeling of awkwardness made flesh, and who wants to see that?
One reason I think this movie gets so much love is because the audiences that seem to typically like this film are just as bitter, quirky, and just plain weird as it is. Perhaps that’s why I’m missing something here.
A Moment of Piss: Whenever the Utah phone sex crew shows up and demonstrates how one-note their characters are, or whenever Barry shops or talks about pudding.
These Ain’t Chopped Liver Alternatives: Once, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Popeye.
Nick Nunziata Agrees: Hard Eight [don’t call it Sydney to sound elite], Boogie Nights, and Magnolia were all very significant movies in creating the mystique and name recognition of Paul Thomas Anderson and There Will Be Blood on the tail end of this reminded us of why he was such a big deal in the first place. This little oddity, which was supposedly Anderson’s foray into comedy after the arduous experience that was Magnolia isn’t much of a comedy or much of a love story. Or much of anything but a frustrating and grating time at the movies.
It’s one thing for an artist to do a small film for themselves, but the resulting product doesn’t feel as much like a lighter experience or the director riffing than it does an uncomfortable misfire. Apparently, the filmmaker was a big fan of Adam Sandler and wanted to work with him in a film that stretched his abilities but as Alex said, this really doesn’t do that. I’d go as far to say that I saw more range in the trailer for You Don’t Mess with The Zohan than here. Sandler doesn’t coast on his typical schtick but rather substitute restraint and silence in exchange for the overt and loud persona that made him a chachillionaire.
Why it’s overrated is simple: A P.T. Anderson release is an event film. There’s expectation. There’s a built-in audience who have in some ways attached an increased significance to his films. If D.J. Caruso had made Punch-Drunk Love it’d be one of those films you see on Showtime at 2am, another Adam Sandler film that people dismiss because Allan Covert doesn’t show up and Rob Schneider doesn’t insult a nationality, therefore not part of the Adam Sandler canon.
Adam Sandler canon. Color me surprised that when I did a Google search there were 98,400 hits on that phrase being used [to save you the trouble there are 1,120 for Devin Faraci Asshole and 366 for Nick Nunziata Homosexual].
It’s a minor film. Which was Anderson’s intention I suppose, but regardless of that the community came alive in discussion of this minor film. Critics were positive [80% fresh of Rotten tomatoes, 7.4 average on IMDB] and this site became a haven for some rather heated discussion regarding it. I recently saw it for the second time after loathing it the first time out and find that it’s really undeserving of much love or hate, which further illustrates what a total non-entity it is. Some nice music, much deserved attention to the undeserving instrument the harmonium, and a funny argument between Philip Seymour Hoffman and Adam Sandler is really all it has going for it. Some filmmakers make uncomfortable silence into high art, but here Anderson seems to be toying with us, seeing if he’s untouchable.
People still bring this movie up in conversation when discussing great films, and I cringe each and every time. Fucker’s overrated.
So there.
Another reason it’s overrated is because the bastion of film credibility, Cracked, considers it a classic. As most of you know, as goes Cracked goes the world of film fans the world over.
Devin Faraci Disagrees: It only took a week. Here’s an entry in the list that I really, really
disagree with, especially as an overrated film. After all, I think this
movie is perfectly rated – it doesn’t make people’s lists of the best
of all time (or even the best of Paul Thomas Anderson), it was barely
nominated for any awards, let alone win any (the most prestigious
thing Punch-Drunk Love took home was the Best Director award at Cannes), and it isn’t some of sort of inescapable presence on television. Punch-Drunk Love is a little movie, a transitional movie, and I think it’s appreciated more than it’s adored.
So there’s no way to argue that this film is overrated unless you’re
arguing that it sucks, which is… nuts. It’s certainly not for
everyone, and the way that Anderson melds romantic comedy with
psychosis is strange and sometimes off-putting. But it’s also kind of
beautiful. Way back in the day, the movie Marty was a revelation because it was a love story between two regular – and not that attractive – people. Punch-Drunk Love comes
along almost fifty years later and things haven’t changed much. It’s
still amazing to see people who are not Movie Star Beautiful falling in
love on screen. And it’s even more amazing when the people are a little
bit bent, a little bit odd. Not quirky in the Hollywood accepted way –
think Ally Sheedy in The Breakfast Club, for one. Or Kate Winslet in Eternal Sunshine –
but quirky in the way that the real lonely people in the world are
quirky. Lonely people in romantic movies are never too off-putting or
weird, exactly unlike real lonely people. Exactly unlike the characters
in Punch-Drunk Love. Especially Adam Sandler’s Barry Egan, a guy who is a maybe more than a little scary at times.
The real magic of Punch-Drunk Love is
how Paul Thomas Anderson takes Adam Sandler’s comic persona – a
juvenile guy with severe rage issues, essentially a borderline
sociopath – and not only successfully relocates that persona in a very
different world but also makes that persona sympathetic. Anderson
strips that character down finds the human heart inside, something that
no Sandler movie had ever bothered to do. He also strips himself down,
making a movie that has few of his usual visual flourishes, but still
remains gorgeous. Where Boogie Night and Magnolia (and to a lesser extent Hard Eight) were glossy and ambitious films, Punch-Drunk Love is simple. And it’s a movie that Anderson needed to make to get to the quiet beauty of There Will Be Blood.
Plus, Punch-Drunk Love reintroduced a lot of people to one of the great songs from Robert Altman’s Popeye.
As an unabashed fan of Harry Nilsson, I have to say that any movie
which brings his music to ears cannot be rated highly enough.
Punch-Drunk Love is the kind of movie
we should be encouraging our filmmakers to attempt. It’s odd, it’s
off-kilter, it’s not following the usual rules and conventions. It’s
making everybody involved stretch themselves in ways that are new to
them. It’s not highwire filmmaking, it’s not the kind of movie that, if
it were a disaster, would end careers, but it’s the kind of movie where
personal artistic boundaries are readjusted. The problem with the big
budget, mega zillion dollar world of movies today is that films can
either be FUCKING GREAT or FUCKING TERRIBLE, and we’re losing the
ability to appreciate the films that sort of fall in the middle. It’s
especially bad when it comes to the work of a genius like Anderson –
every film is expected to be life altering. Punch-Drunk Love doesn’t feel like it was ever intended to be that at all.





55 comments
Well, I'll never read one of your articles again.
You're a goddamn idiot.
Fuck. Yes. Devin. Spot fucking on.
…um? the truman show and or jim carreys performance in, is awesome…
Alex and Nick misunderstood this film.
And you people hate Devin for going against the mainstream. Good fucking god you'd have to be a lifeless hater to hate this movie. The kind you guys always rip on who hate jurassic park cause all the other kids have jurassic park lunchboxes.
Devin's stuff is usually hit or miss for me, but the past few weeks I find myself more in agreement with him than I ever did with any of the other chudfolk.
Mr. Riviello, you're a soul sucking scumfucker, shove your post modern one note up your urethra.
i'm glad devin's here to say what i want to say.
"soul sucking scumfucker"
jeez. that hurts me just hearing it.
i suppose i've got to rewatch this one, but i remember fully enjoying it and then forgetting all about it.
Devin, you're exactly right. This is Adam Sandler doing the same character he plays in every film he's ever been in, but for once not in some idiotic cartoon screwball comedy written for a ten-year-old's understanding. And it's beautiful for it.
Also, did Alex just say this was PTA's third straight failure? Fuck you with Dirk Diggler's prosthesis, dude.
I continue to dig these articles.
Ditto Devin, especially the first paragraph.
Since when is this movie overrated? As far as I can tell everyone knows this is PTA's weakest effort. I enjoyed it, but have never revisited it.
What's the point of this new abortion of a column except to polarize the dwindling number of people who still come to this site? This new feature literally reeks of "let's make our readers furious."
Punch-Drunk Love is not overrated. You guys are trying too hard.
I'm really glad this is here. Regardless of what PTA was trying to do, I know people that blew this way way out of proportion. I'm not a huge fan of it, but I do like a lot of elements to it. It's not a masterpiece though, and fuck any scene where he's buying pudding.
Well written thoughtful slam, Alex. But you're dead wrong. Gotta agree with Dev's rebuttal. Punch Drunk takes you back to cinema's golden age of the misfit, the 70's. A little Billy Wilder. A little Robert Altman. A lot of Hal Ashby and James Toback. During this period, portraits of the messed up & maladjusted were plentiful.(You think Sandler's character was fucked up and sociopathic-rent The Gambler or Fingers)I think the one valid charge you can level at the film is giving modern sad sacks of the world a false idol. But shit, we don't fault the Apartment for comforting the Lemmon lovin'Baxters of a generation past. Or blame Harold & Maude for iimpacting a freak & geek fanbase. I haven't felt the need to revisit PDL. But the fact remains, it touched a lot of people. What's to hate about that?
It's a very good movie, and one I'm proud to own on DVD. Plus I don't know many people who dig it or even remember it, which is why I find it odd that some of the writers think it's overrated. Sandler does great work in this, and he's even better in 'Reign Over Me.' There's a great moment when Sandler and Emily Watson are in the restaurant, and I think she mentions an outburst she heard about from his sister, and Sandler for this brief moment at the table grits his teeth. I always dug that.
I think Punch Drunk Love is overrated amongst borderline fanboys. Amongst most filmgoers it seems to be a pretty good movie. Not PTA at his best but certainly not the regular Sandler fair.
But yeah more then one guy I've talked to has pointed out this film as a romantic wooing to aspire too. That's hella creepy. I mean the guy's a sociopath who beats the shit out of some phone sex thugs. NOT A CATCH.
Overrated? No, Devin is right about it – it's a small film, generally disliked (except by cineastes) but not terrible. Overrated is the term for every other PTA movie. And as far as I remember, this is also the only one whose ending didn't leave me with massive disappointment.
Wow! I think the only thing overrated here is this site. Punch-drunk Love is overrated? In what way?
PTA's "third straight failure?" Are you fucking <i>high?</i> Swear to God, I found CHUD because I was sick of the incompetence over at AICN, but that is easily the stupidest thing I've ever read on a movie website. Ever.
I find the vitriol against these "You got it all wrong" columns to be curious. It's as if people take a personal affront to having their cinematic tastes challenged. The sad thing is, these knee-jerk reactions to editorial opinions is turning these message boards into something like the AICN talkbacks, which I don't think anyone wants. I hope.
Yeah, I love how people get their pissed-off immediate reactions out here instead of writing any kind of reasonably thought-out response. Kudos to those of you who do, though, it's respected and appreciated. Opinions and assholes, though, people. I still say that while it's an interesting film with a few good moments it didn't deserve the film student tongue job it received.
Devin for the win on this one. Alex and Nick couldn't be more wrong. Was this entry meant to be the April Fools Day one? Punch-Drunk Love overrated? That's just silly talk.
Y'know, I like having my taste challenged. So keep this up. I agree with Devin on this one as well. But I'm glad I got to reevaluate my assessment of the film. Why did I like? Why DO I like it? Is it knee jerk reaction to what i'm SUPPOSED to think of a PTA film? Or do I really respond to something here? Keep up the good work, fellas. Oh, and are fewer people coming to this site these days? I haven't noticed a major drop off as far as these comments are concerned. Where did this figure come from? No where?
This movie is garbage. I'm glad it made this list. I'm hoping for Goonies next, even if it means Batman Begins gets it too. Fucking Goonies deserves it that much.
Good job, Devin. My thoughts exactly. A 7.4 isn't overrated, unless you'd rather it have a 6.8? If that's the case, I think you probably have bigger fish to fry.
And a Golden Globe nomination should never be used to illustrate any point about a film's quality.
You know, the more I read Alex's comments, the more it seems he doesn't like the movie because some people he knows DO like the movie. Honestly, how many times can you point out that film students were overly positive about it? Film students are overly positive about EVERY new movie that gets great reviews. They grab onto them and champion them as if they were new Casablanca's.
Also, who the fuck is Alex Riviello? This just reeks of a rush job given to someone without the real skill to give a good argument about a movie. Stick with Nick, Devin, maybe Jeremy and Russ for this list, please.
Sometimes the biggest sheep are the ones who try too hard to go against the grain. People just don't understand this movie.
Adam Sandler's performance is underrated here I think. Let me first say that I loathe almost everything this man has done in film. This performance, on the other hand, is a different story. Sure, its like most characters he usually plays, but much deeper. He uses a lot of nuances(some subtle and some not so subtle) to convey his characters inability to function.
Laugh at me all you want, but I too have a personality disorder, and when I saw some of his reactions in this movie, it was almost scary how close they hit to home.
Sometimes in room full of crowded people you get nervous and you don't always understand the things you do. Sometimes the only way to let off some pressure is through an outburst that leaves people staring at you like your some kind of psychopath.
Social interactions make you uncomfortable. You find yourself clinging to objects, using them like a barrier between yourself and the real world(sandler clinging to his coffee mug in the begining-i use my cel).
Sure, he has his redeeming qualities, but they are not that easily identifiable. The true Barry Egan lives beneath the surface.
The only other character in a film that I have identified as much with would have to be Charlie Kaufman from Adaptation. And no I am not likening myself to the genius writer Charlie Kaufman-I am talking about the social misfit Charlie Kaufman. And for the love of god, leave Adaptation off of this list.
If you don't think this film belongs on this list then go back and read the replies again. The fact that so much venom is being spit because of this artical is why this movie is overblown.
I am proud to say that Airheads is the only Sandler movie I have ever seen and will ever see.
Jason
I agree with the fat hairy bastard (AKA Devin) on this one.
1. I love PTA's films, seen 'em all in the theater.
2. I actually enjoy most of Sandlers stuff for what it is- frivolous comedy.
3. I am filled beyond the brim with the sort of impotent rage displayed by Sandler's character in this movie. I really get him and empathise with him.
4. I think this movie blows. Not because everybody else thinks it's great(fuck everyone else and fuck you), not because I can't identify with him(fuck, I've lived that life- I once smashed my stereo 'cause the radio played Jimmy Buffett), but because it's not that good. The plot is outrageous and beyond unrealistic(even for the man who had a rain of fish in his previous picture), the pacing is slower than shit, and the acting is at best passable.
But it looks pretty, so we should forgive all its other faults.
where do they get these people? It sounds like CHUD went to the mall and found this first no-brain frat boy, and just HAD to have his opinion on things. There's really no argument about this film, if anything, it's underated.
Me, I didn't go nuts for this one. Really. I watched it out of curiosity and thought.. well, I thought a lot of things. Sandlers sucked, sucks now and will always suck.. Anyway, I agree 100% with this one
PDL=meh
Punch Drunk love is a great movie. Period.
This film is fantastic. I completely get people being turned off by it, but I just find it to be a very beautiful, odd little love story. If anything it's original as all hell. Sandler makes it work, and though I don't think he's anything to write home about, he made Barry a memorable character.
Good take. I hate the film, but do consider myself a fan of PTA's other films.
I am one of Alex's film student friends who actually likes Punch Drunk Love. I bought it (and loan him the dvd for the review.) I liked the movie mainly cus it was just a total mess but it felt extremely honest. PTA is all over the place with the movie – in tone, performance, style, but it all felt genuine. Its like watching a directorial car accident – PTA is testing things out and seeing if they work and when you slap it all together its mess. And this may explain why film students like it so much – they are doing the same with their films. I would file this movie under "misunderstood." because most people who like it tend to like it because they love PTA's style and can't see that its a total fucking mess – albeit enjoyable.
And just so you know, Alex and I are in fact members of a "Soul-Sucking Scumfucker" club. We meet every other Wednesday to drink beer, beat up puppies and they both the empty cans and the puppy carcasses at the TV screen as we watch Jurassic Park 1, 2 and dare I say 3!
Fuck the guy who said Goonies should be done next, not a great movie by any stretch of the imagination, but I doubt it was made for anyone over the age of 12. The love it gets now is from childhood memories. As far as Punch Drunk Love goes, I couldn't even finish it I was so bored. It totally deserves to be here. It's fine if you like it, but don't tell me it's some groundbreaking piece of cinema from PTA or Sandler. Mediocre, at best, but to be fair I like a lot of mediocre movies, too.
This movie sucked. I left the theter having so clue what the hell it was supposed to be about. It was not revelatory, it was arduous and it was quirky to the point of being completely unrelatable. Sandler showed no range here. He just wasn't supposed to be funny. Thing is, even when he's meant to be he isn't.
Fuck yes. Hell yes. This movie was flat, pretentious, and forgettable. Kudos for putting this movie in it's place. And so far, this column has been incisive and interesting. Keep it up.
right on, devin
I think Devin is correct on this one. A better than average little movie from a filmmaker who can do better (by the way, I seriously take issue with that "third failure as a feature film director" nonsense.) While the movie has its flaws (the phone sex extortion subplot borders on idiotic) it has enough interesting sequences (the pudding scam and the scene where Egan's sister and Emily Watson show up at his warehouse) to keep it buoyant. How can a movie be overrated if it isn't really rated that highly? This is PTA's worst film but it's still not that bad, which is saying something because I pretty much loathe Adam Sandler.
thank you devin
I'm with Alex and Nick.
When it came out I was expecting it to be good. Like that quirky little movie one always finds when they're sick and flipping through channels. Instead all I got was bored.
most people I know hate this movie. I saw it with 8 people and I was the only one who loved it and still love it. One thing you are ALL forgetting is that Anderson takes what Barry Egan is feeling and LITERALLY puts it on screen. This movie is more visual than any film he or probably any contemp filmmaker has made. Each color corresponds to an emotion of Barry's and when he's feeling that, that is the hue that the screen takes. Notice all those weird flashes of light on the screen??? That's what theyre there for. Anderson takes a story of love and literally puts it on the screen. I think it's amazing and probably Hoffman's best Anderson cameo. This is notoriously the most hated PT Anderson film, how can it be overrated then?
3 days in a row of Devin being the only one who's right. Honestly, one of the best thing's you've written. Dick or not, Devin may be the one guy here that truly understands film.
Devin, been following your writing for sometime now. I teach english. The stuff you've written in this series, is by far your best material period.
I'm ambivalent about Scarface, but I love Punch Drunk, and I'm glad you stood up for it; it makes no sense on this list for all the reasons you gave. I think this is just a case of a few writers overwhelming hatred for the film (their right) distorting their world view.
I read this the night I framed and hung up that poster. "Punch-Drunk Love" is great. Fuck that guy. I wanna smash his face in. And not beacuse it's so fucking beautiful. It's because it's stupid. So fuck him and his stupid fucking face.
I wanted to punch Riviello in the face. Nick at least doesn't come off as ignorant. Devin's on point on this one.
Devin totally has it right. It's a document of a first love between maladjusted , un-pretty individuals. My favorite moment of the whole thing is when Adam Sandler is on top of Emily Watson, and he expresses his desire by saying something like, "I want to fucking smash your face in" and she responds in kind, and normalizes his expression into ,well, sweet romantic platitudes. And then he has a love, a love that can stave off Phillip Seymour Hoffman. Because he finally has a woman who can talk to him on his basic child man rage level. And can control him, and appreciate him, like his denigrating sisters can't. That for me was the whole point of the movie: finding acceptance and strength from repression and anger, to a place of appreciation and transmutation of the qualities of the individual that were flawed before appreciation.. The fact that Anderson took Sandler's persona to a more human level through the ordeal makes this one of my favourite movies. It's better than the previous three as a gateway to Anderson being able to tell a story from a protagonist viewpoint, as opposed to a freaking Irwin Allen multiple storyline extravaganza. As well, we all (right now) love what this led to in his next film. And it is off the radar now, but it might come up at a retrospective of Anderson in thirty years, and then we'll all say "oh yeah… I see how that led to that". Kudos to Devin, this is my favorite site.
But what do I know, I'm just a pretentious fuck.
Keep this series going, it's great to create debate. We all love talking about the movies, and an argument is better over beers.
I had no idea so many people liked this movie. I have to say, though, that I completely agree with Alex and Nick. This movie was supposed to be something special, and it isn't…it really is just Adam Sandler doing his usual shtick without ANY kind of charm or humor. Good call, gentlemen.
the truman show is totally overrated – do that one next you fuckers.
It makes me sad that movies that dare to be different, don't spell things out, or wrap up nice and neat, baffle not just the morons, but the good folks at CHUD. P.T. Anderson impresses with his unorthodox love story. The vision harkens back to the 70's. Like say Little Murders, the characters are exaggerated and heightened, but the situations are real. The visual ques are brilliant, and add a level of impact for those paying attention. Also, Adam Sandler hit one out of the park here. He never has or probaly ever will be better.
I own the DVD. Haven't seen it in a while, though. It's a bit rough around the edges, but definitely not overrated. It's honest and entertaining. The opinion of film students (making films or just taking classes? – please clarify) is irrelevant. I do take the opinions of critics seriously, whether I agree with them or not – just as long they hold up to a decent standard of writing and well thought out opinions. This Alex character's knee jerk dismissal of a talented and rightfully praised director on an obscure genre movie site, is pathetic. Lucky for us normal people who enjoy an occasional guilty pleasure, Devin (and to some degree Nick), restored some dignity to this site and dragged it up from the sludge that is the Fanboy Internets.
You made me smile when you mentioned Popeye. Talk about Underrated and Misunderstood!
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