It’s lonely here. I feel like the only guy watching Lost this season and getting twitchy at the more prominent sci-fi elements. The show was always science fictiony – there was a monster in the jungle from the start! – but it’s never been more in the forefront with time travel, teleportation, anomalous cabins and more being the foci of recent episodes. I have faith in the show runners that Lost won’t turn into a dweebfest.
Being twitchy about the sci-fi elements may have led me to be more critical of some aspects of the show, but I think that no matter what I would be bothered by the way Lost continues to treat the secondary, background castaways. It all culminated in this past week’s episode in a scene that not only made Sawyer seem like a real dick (and not the kind of dick that he’s supposed to be) but that was also unintentionally hilarious. When the military squad from the freighter descended on Othertown, Sawyer ran off looking for Claire, and only Claire. While other castaways had followed Locke to Othertown, none of them were of any consequence to Sawyer; I understand that these nameless folks aren’t important in the grand scheme of the storytelling and this is why we don’t know who they are, but Sawyer should, by now, have some basic concept that he is living with other human beings and not nameless redshirts.
As bad as it was seeing Sawyer being essentially annoyed by having to warn a redshirt to hide inside the house, we were then treated to the sight of the rest of Othertown’s redshirts running out of a doorway in rapid succession, each being shot dead as soon as they came outside. The military guys were able to off all the redshirts with one quick shot apiece and then couldn’t manage to hit Sawyer with hundreds of rounds… even when he was hiding behind a fucking picket fence.
Of course the faceless bad guys can’t kill the heroes. It’s Stormtrooper Syndrome – supposedly crack shots who suddenly go to shit as soon as one of the name characters shows up. And of course redshirts are needed – you gotta kill somebody off to raise the stakes, even if that somebody is Ensign Bobby from engineering. But Lost has taken both of these to ridiculous extremes.
In season one Lost addressed their redshirt problem in a tongue in cheek way with Doc Arzt, the science teacher survivor who took the heroes to task for leaving everyone else out of their clique… and who then blew himself up. But while that might be enough for a two hour movie, a continuing TV series can’t just brush all the other background characters off with a joke. At one point the background survivors were seen as a potential pool for new faces, but after the Nikki and Paolo disaster, the background characters have been more background than ever. In the last two seasons the show has so egregiously ignored these survivors that one has to wonder why the producers haven’t gone the cost-saving route of just sticking mannequins in the background of shots.
Lost simply needs to get rid of these redshirts – and not in a wacky shooting gallery. I don’t quite understand why the writers of this week’s episode didn’t have the military guys blow up the redshirt barracks, making their deaths quick, simple and less comedic. But with two seasons yet to go, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse need to sit down and decide how to quickly and easily eliminate the remainder of the no-name survivors rather than keep them shuffling around for no discernible reason. At least Star Trek, birthplace of the redshirt, occasionally gave background crew members roles or lines to speak; Lost just uses the redshirts as set decoration. The writers don’t let them do anything, and when they get killed, they don’t even make the main characters give a shit.
As the show becomes less and less about surviving on the island, and as Lost brings in more expendable characters from the outside world, the redshirts are becoming nothing more than a glaring annoyance. And as the show will start to ask us to suspend our disbelief more and more with science fiction elements, it can’t afford to ask us to suspend our disbelief with this faceless mob that serves no purpose and has no bearing on what’s happening in the plot.





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The only solution to the "redshirt problem", which isn't even really that much of a problem, would have been to reduce the amount of survivors right from the pilot. Your proposed solution of blowing them all up at the same time in the same place is even more contrived than that gun battle with the special ops and Sawyer. Oh, so all the non-consequential cast members just happened to all be in the same place at the same time? That's a bigger blow to suspension of disbelief than Sawyer dodging all those bullets like Arnie in Commando. There was a whole other pack of redshirts on the beach with Jack, is a separate explosion going to take care of all them too? And the opposite of this solution won't work either, because no one wants to suddenly see exposition for the extras who have been milling around in the background for 3.5 seasons, or established actors brought in to play red shirts that were supposedly there all along. That much was clear from the Nikki and Paolo episode, which I don't actually mind all that much. It was kind of a big "fuck you" to the type of nitpickery that you expended all those words on above, so I'm not surprised you view it as a disaster. I'm way more concerned that they tell a good story, and that the Emperor actually have clothes when they finally trot him out. This reminds me of the scene in Clerks where Randal frets about all the union workers building the Death Star in Return of the Jedi.
Lost has never been a show about plausibility… If anyone watches this for gritty realism they should get treatment. As far as I'm concerned, you can put in all the sci-fi, Nikkis, Paolos, and lemming redshirts you want, as long as its part of a story as compelling and beautifully, sublimely ridiculously complex as ths one. Who cares if we ever find out what the smoke monster is, who adam and eve are/were, what the numbers mean, how the timetravel or teleportation actually work, who the fuck libby really is? This show isn't a scientific theory, it's a fictional conspiracy theory with more questions than answers set to a narrative that is mildly schizophrenic bordering on utterly insane, and it's all the better for it. Its combination of self-convicition and self-doubt is so strong it can't help but be mesmerising. Fuck the redshirts.
They stated specifically in the episode that the shooters were intentionally only killing those around Sawyer, so that when he got back inside Ben's house he would be so enraged that he would give Ben up freely. I thought that was a pretty clever way of dealing with things, and it almost worked.
Besides what the Jason above stated and demonstrating how little time Devin pays to certain aspects of this show. You also have to realize that we now know that the ISLAND will not let some people DIE. So under that construction. You could go with; "Of course the mercs missed! The island will not let JAMES FORD (Who calls him "Sawyer" anymore?) DIE!"
The funny thing is that there were more than just those three other redshirts that went to the barracks with Locke and Co. Those three were shot but what about the others? Were they all killed by the freighter squad attacked or are they still hanging out at the barracks now that Locke and crew have split?
Claire was inside the fucking house that got blown to bits. Not partially damages. Not scorched. Blown to BITS. And there wasn't a scratch on her. Just some soot that actually brought out beautiful color of her eyes. Not that I mind. But it might help Devin's argument.
They're in sort of a no-win situation with the redshirts. At the beginning, Abrams said that the goal was for main characters to die and then have nobodies step up and become main characters. They tried this and it failed miserably. Now, between just wanting to tell the story properly and not wanting to piss off fans, I don't think they have any idea of what to do with any of the rest of the survivors. Still, this week's episode may be the only time I've truly laughed and been disappointed with this show. I thought the same things about Sawyer just ignoring the other survivors and when that third guy ran out and got picked off, I was seriously taken out of the show. I don't know what the solution is, but they better figure out something and not have another scene straight out of an 80's action movie again. Glad I wasn't the only one annoyed by the whole thing.
The rapid succession of nameless survivor deaths was pretty unintentionally hilarious… just in how stupid these people were to come running outside to the sound of gunfire. The whole Sawyer only being concerned with Claire thing is pretty easy to determine and wasn't all that implausible: she was a mother separated from her baby. That'd make anybody actively pursue her out of a host of other survivors. The thing that kind of bothered me was when the core Losties escaped the Barracks… what happened to everybody else? I don't think we even get a sense of how many people went with Locke or with Jack. I'd say it'd have to at least be split in half: 20 and 20. Now Locke has just abandoned them all? Odd… but still, I couldn't really care much about it.
Good God Devin, you're an idiot.
If we're going to use the Star Trek analogy – they should have gone the Next Generation route with the supporting cast, have a few recurring characters who pop up from time to time as other crewmembers/lostaways. TNG did it with O'Brien, Barclay, etc. And Lost did it, in a way with Bernard – have some actors come in for a few episodes a year and have a scene or two. The nature of the survivors groups would mean they wouldnt have to be in every episode but having them around every now and again would help to blur the lines a little between – the main cast who do everything and the extras who do nothing. Also would have given them some people to kill whose names we actually knew… I'm one of the people who thought that having the third person run straight out of the house and into a bullet tipped it over the edge into complete cheese.
If they had really wanted to get rid of a bunch of survivors – have Locke/Ben/Sawyer tell everyone to gather in the barracks "where it is safe" then instead of Claire's house being blown up, blow up the barracks and kill them all.
I completely agree w/ this "red shirt" problem of yours. It's pretty insane that these other survivors have nothing to do or say the entire time they're on the island. They just kinda mill around in the backround, collecting sticks or sometimes washing some clothes, all the while monsters and polar bears and gun battles and strangers from boats and helicopters are running amok all around them. Then one of the main characters will go, "Hey, we're gonna all go over here now, no explanation needed", and like a bunch of retarded sheep they follow. No questions, no input, nothing. And this IS something the writers will have to address, and quickly. Because if the show is going where it seems to be going, these no name "red shirts" will be very problematic come the series finale.
Devin, you're a TIT, this has been one of the best ever episodes of Lost since it started and one that reminds you it's still the best show on the box and all you can criticise it for is how they handle the extra fodder bein' dispatched. It's a TV series, a pretty special one, but it still is produced like most shows under a hectic schedule, they must continually solve the problems that an ongoing show of it's kind faces due to the writing schedule with no time for multiple draftingand mulling over all the consequences.
See, this is why I love the talkbacks.
"This show is so good it doesn't have to be good!"
Comedy gold.
It's called critical thinking, Joe. We can be fans and still discuss flaws. As far as I'm concerned Devin hit the nail on the head. The redshirt cop-out is annoying, but the even bigger problem is the sci-fi overdose and the convoluted layering of mythology. (Each addional twist & turn/conspiracy lessens the overall impact and mystique-you're so overloaded it's hard to care. Remember when each death or suprise was a gut punch?) The show is spinning faster & faster, no longer willing or able to slow down and breathe. I have faith they know what they're doing…just starting to get a little nervous.
I keep forgetting that there are other survivors. The show has minor problems which I can ignore as long as each episode delivers a strong story and moves the narrative forward (even just a little). When I used to watch Buffy or X-files, there were whole episodes that sucked and had little to do with continuity. I don't think there's been a single episode of Lost that I thought was less than thoroughly enjoyable.
If you don't think LOST is a total dweebfest already then you are in dweeb denial. From listening to commentaries from 3 seasons of this show, you've got to know that the shooting gallery bit was meant to be funny. I'm sure the Pop-Up Video LOST re-run next week will address what, exactly, it was an homage to.
I'm drunk, so bear with me, but I'm confused. Is 'redshirt' a college football reference or a Star Trek reference?
The smoke monster attack made up for the shooting gallery flub/gag. The ruthless edit on the show's myriad plotlines is showing this season, but it's adding energy and there's less a feeling of being led around by the dick. I'm guessing this sudden change in Ben's motivations was the new central idea they came up with to move the show in a direction they could handle in the given remaining time.
I think it's hilarious how two of the red shirts were actually WEARING red shirts right before they got shot. I don't think I've ever seen them in red before.
For the record, Sawyer wasn't ever callous about the RS deaths. He did try and save them and then vented off to Ben about how they were "slaughtered", all of which was designed to piss him off.
Locke should have shown more remorse though. He led most of his followers to death.
I usually watch the episodes online, and when I saw that scene, I rewatched it like 5 times. It's one of the funniest things I've seen on the show in a while. I think the background characters are needed as a way to easily explain how the hunting and extra chores ever get done. The main characters don't have time to do all the menial tasks.
Devin nailed it. I almost fell over laughing when the three random extras ran out of the house one by one and al got offed.
More hillariously, it was like watching Lemmings die as each extra kept running to the exact some mark. "Look a spot with two fresh corpses, I better run to the exact same location to see what's up".
I've never had a problem with redshirts. Most people are sheep/followers in real life looking for someone to lead them. What makes you think that things are any different on an island. Do you really want to watch entire episodes of redshirts doing the islands domestic tasks? As a response for why Sawyer was so worried about Claire compared to the other crash survivors is this: are any of the other crash survivors mothers to an infant on the island? No.
Lost is still on? I stopped watching when I realized all the characters were completely static and never developed. And when the writers decided the best way to make dynamic characters was to axe other characters.
I missed the show being awesome. 2005 come back!
I'm sorry, but Lost has become a joke. The convoluted storylines are just getting ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I fucking loved the shit out of the first two seasons, but I'm starting to just not care anymore. It's gotten so complicated that they're running a fuckin ticker at the bottom of the screen on repeats just to keep the audience informed on what the fuck's going on. Game over man, game over.
WTF??? I wish this website was a redshirt.
I'm beginning to think that the people who work for this website barely watch anything they review. Time to put it out of it's misery.
Geez. I thought it was pretty funny, Dev.
What season is Lost in? I lose track with their inconstancy. Whatever season the last show was in was better than last year, even with the stupid gun battle. I didn't have as big a problem with the red shirts running around, because I've seen people continue to stand after hearing what sounded like repeat gunshots (turned out to be a bad muffler, but when I hear loud sounds and see vets hit the ground, I at least squat and duck). But the picket fence scene had both hubby and me rolling our eyes.
The 'Alex gets it in the head' scene was pretty good, and I thought the Ben actor did a great job with his facial movements and voice cracks trying to pretend not to care about what happened to Alex, and his disbelief when they actually shot her (hubby then asked callously if she'd recently received a DUI, HA HA).
Hubby still complains about them constantly flipping around the flash forwards/backwards, but seemed to accept them better when I told him my theory:
Ben's trying to grasp control of the island's mis-firing/unstable time machine from Whitmore, who Ben doesn't trust to be in charge of such a powerful piece of technology. That explains to me about Ben's seemingly callous decisions.
I really thought Ben was going into the tunnel to reset time after Alex was shot. But him releasing the time-hounds was interesting too. I can't wait to see how they hint at why there's polar bears on a tropical island. Maybe there's an ice-age in the future that Ben's trying to prevent.
I kind of agree with what was stated. That episode is probably my least favorite just in terms of the REDSHIRTS killed in that fashion and the SMOKE MONSTER being used with no real further explanation except Ben can control it at his will.
Fairly lame.
I will still watch it as it is my favorite show on tv since THE WIRE has ended.
I was under the impression that their deaths were SUPPOSED to be funny. Did I read that wrong?
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