Sherlock Holmes and Watson are engaged in a mad chase up the river Thames. Their quarry is on a boat ahead of them, and as they pass by the many bridges of London, Holmes screams down to the men belowdecks to put more coal in the fire, as they must catch up. Just as Holmes’ boat is about to get the bad guy, a tug blunders between them and they have an exciting near miss. Finally, Holmes’ boat pulls up behind the bad guy boat and he and Watson raise their pistols. When the bad guy raises his hands, they shoot him. After he falls they realize he had just shot a blowgun’s poisoned dart at them, and it barely missed, passing just between the two friends.
This isn’t a scene from the Guy Ritchie Sherlock Holmes but rather The Sign of Four, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s second Holmes novel, published in 1890.
There’s a steady stream of
Sherlock Holmes haters out there, and while I didn’t find the movie transcendent by any means (I gave it a 7 out of 10), the complaints about the film’s perceived lack of faithfulness to Doyle’s creation kind of get on my nerves, especially when they come from folks who haven’t seen the movie or folks who are obviously not familiar with the original stories.
Of course, being familiar with the original stories isn’t necessary; I have read only a handful of Holmes stories myself. But coming out of Sherlock Holmes I found myself fascinated by what did and didn’t come from the canon, so I began doing some research, and I found the film to be surprisingly accurate and faithful.
First of all, it’s worth noting that Doyle himself didn’t take the Holmes canon all that seriously. He wrote this things to make money, and his relationship with his creation was cantankerous enough that he killed Holmes off just to quit writing stories about him (Holmes, of course, came back to life when the fans complained enough. Every weird aspect of modern fandom – the continuity hounding, the fans making demands of the creators, fanfic, all started with Sherlock Holmes). The Holmes stories can be hard to reconcile, as Doyle never bothered keeping track of the details. For instance, Holmes is initially introduced as a guy who only studies stuff that would impact his criminal investigations, but as the stories went on he was retconned into being a connoisseur of the arts as well as versed in ancient languages, none of which would be of much use when tracking a murderer. In A Study in Scarlet Holmes goes so far as to say that he did not know the Earth revolved around the sun, as it had no bearing on solving a case.
The Sign of Four is one of a number of times when Holmes uses a pistol. In that same novel Holmes’ bona fides as bare knuckle boxer. He introduces himself to a prize fighter like this: “The amateur who fought three rounds with you at Alison’s rooms on the night of your benefit four years back.” McMurdo responds by saying, “Ah, you’re one that has wasted your gifts, you have! You might have aimed high, if you had joined the fancy.” (thanks to Wikipedia for pulling that out)
Watson also makes mention of Holmes’ talent with a sword, although he never uses one in the canon. He does use martial arts; in The Adventure of the Empty House, the story in which Doyle resurrected Holmes, the detective tells Watson how he defeated Moriarty at the Reichenbach Falls – using the Japanese martial art of ‘baritsu,’ which is probably just a misspelling of the real martial art of bartitsu. It’s fair to say that your familiar deerstalker cap-wearing Holmes (a note: he never wore a deerstalker cap in the books, although in Hound of the Baskervilles he does wear a hat with ear flaps) never busted out any karate.
Of course your familiar deerstalker cap-wearing Holmes fought the fucking Nazis. Basil Rathbone is seen as the quintessential pop culture Holmes, but his Universal Holmes movies eschewed the stories’ Victorian setting and moved the action up to the then-modern day, World War II. In Sherlock Holmes in Washington Holmes is essentially a spy, and he’s all mixed up in a case about missing microfilm. Obviously other Holmes films took plenty of liberties, but most of those are dismissed as parodies; the Rathbone Holmes, though, is widely considered the Holmes, and most images you see of the character are based on this guy. Who fought Nazis in World War II.
Ritchie’s Sherlock Holmes actually does a remarkable job of being in canon. You can pinpoint where in the stories it takes place, as it depicts Watson moving out to be with his eventual wife, Mary Marston, who met during the events of Sign of Four. Holmes’ wardrobe and personal style are also closer to the original stories than any previous version; Holmes lived as a Bohemian given to depressions (and drug use) between cases, and he also dressed in the height of fashion of the day – he was something of a dandy. Rathbone’s Holmes had a stodgy air, while Robert Downey Jr’s has a more faithful anti-authoritarian vibe. Obviously this doesn’t make the film good, but it’s all part of the care that went into making it fit into the canon.
The place where Sherlock Holmes gets away from the stories is the scope of the adventure, as well as the tone of the tale. While Ritchie et al may have brought the characters back to the original vision, they’ve certainly been set into a story that has more to do with the pulps of the 30s than the penny dreadfuls of the previous century. I think this is a valid sticking point for those who are purists, although I don’t think it’s any worse than transporting Holmes to World War II or ignoring canon altogether to depict his CGI-enhanced adventures as a teen. Whether Sherlock Holmes works for you as a movie on its own is one thing, but the film’s faithfulness to canon can’t be faulted – only your knowledge of Sherlock Holmes can be.
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Okay, but if we're using Young Sherlock Holmes as our standard for quality and consistency to source material, the battle has already been lost.
All fair points but the film nonetheless has a modern feel to it – what constitutes sexoiness, courage and evil are all horribly anachronistic, no more obviously in the depiction of Irene Adler. The best adaptaion – which included Holmes' physical prowess and bipolar nature as well as his sleuthing skills remains the British TV version with Jeremy Brett.
For all intents and purposes you are correct – unless of course you are intending to draw a comparison between a boat chase and blowdart dodging to the last 15 minutes of this film. That would be like comparing a Old School Western fist fight with Stephen Chow Kung Fu knock down drag out. They aren't even remotely similar.
Devin can read and summarize Wikipedia. Obviously, English 101 worked out for him.
Masswyrm – I'm not drawing the comparison. I'm just saying that there was action in the original stories. Of course the action was in the tone of the time, but the basic elements of this 'action movie' Holmes are in place in Doyle's work. As I said, the tone and the scope of the adventure are quite different, but I sort of suspect that Doyle, who wasn't a fan of Holmes in the end anyway, wouldn't have minded how Ritchie made his film's tone reflect the world we live in.
The mistake a lot of people make is in assuming Doyle wrote this shit as high literature, which it certainly was not.
Seems faithful to canon, but doesn't seem that faithful to tone. Ebert (in a generally positive review) said: "Yet another classic hero has been fed into the f/x mill, emerging as a modern superman… Both of them now seem more than a little gay". I have no interest in this movie, but that's mostly because Guy Ritchie has made consistently crappy movies since Snatch, not because it doesn't jibe with what I remember from The Hound of the Baskervilles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEVJ_48YgTg
(NSFW….not that anyone's going to be at work)
Fat internet critics crying about other fat internet critics. What a career!
Everything Devin said about the original series is correct. I haven't seen the film, and dont know what the tone of the film is actually like. Concerning all the particulars of the characters, however, he is completely correct.
Whatever else Devin may be, I think he's become the leading pundit on geek subculture. I'm not always of a similar mind when it comes to movies, but sir, I think you understand dorks and fandom better than anyone else writing today.
I agree with James & Devin. Doyle ain't Shakespeare. The action of the original stories is relative to the action we're used to as modern moviegoers. Yes. It's got a lot more adrenaline than how it was written in the books, but again, it's all relative.
And to Bob. Anyone who reads Chud on a regular basis knows that Devin has his opinions and he makes them known. After all, he is one of the site's biggest contributors so that's his prerogative. If you disagree, great. If you disagree so strongly that you feel the need to react, do so in an intelligent, justified way. If you simply have a problem with the fact he's writing at all, do yourself (and the rest of us) a favor, and stop coming to the site. There's no reason to resort to childish name calling. The chewers might be animals, but we at least respect each other.
You're asking us to put down the game controllers and read fu&*ing books! Where were you born, Kenya? What is this Nazi Germany? Stalinist Russia? Look, I tried going to the source material for Where The Wild Things Are…but it made me sleepy.
It's because one take on the character has been ton to death is the reason for something like the Guy Richie movie. Same with Casino Royale or Batman Begins or Star Trek. If they gave us the 100th adaptation with nothing new to bring to the table we wouldn't care as movie goers. The elements they bring to the movie are taken from the books so people complaining don't know what they are talking about.
A retarded article that attempts to justify a retarded article. I look forward to the follow up.
The trailers suck whether the film is good or not.
You have given me a bit of hope though.
I thought you meant Katie Holmes, and had my credit card ready to join the club.
She doesn't have a forehead. It's more like an eight-head.
I'm only surprised it's taken this long for someone to revisit Sherlock Holmes and try to bring some of the modern sensibilities into his Victorian era stories. In the end, if the movie's good, I can forgive wide turns from the canon.
Quote: "But coming out of Sherlock Holmes I found myself fascinated by what did and didn't come from the canon, so I began doing some research" — See, I think that's actually a rare thing now. Some commenters actually seem outraged by the idea that further reading and investigation is required to have an informed/valid opinion about our chosen field of geekery.
Good article. I do find Holmes fans to be considerably more propietorial about the character than Doyle ever was. When William Gillette wrote a play about Holmes he wrote to Doyle and asked permission to marry the character – Doyle sent a telegram that said 'You may marry him or murder him or do whatever you like with him.' I'm really looking forward to this film as I have been since it was muted 12 years ago with Rickman as Holmes.
Any movie where "further reading and investigation is required to have an informed/valid opinion" is complete bullshit. It doesn't matter if you're fascinated with the subject matter, if you aren't satisfied with what the film gives you and have to learn more then the film is a failure. Art is about triggering an emotional response. That's not to say it can't have intellectual stimulation but it has to make you feel something first. You want to learn something? I suggest you read a textbook.
amusing to watch Devin try to pump up Holmes. Basically it boils down to this, Devin wanted Avatar to fail, it is definately doing well, if Holmes is a huge hit…then Avatar will stay at numbers that the haters can term a failure or perhaps modest success. If Holmes takes a big dump…then Avatar is the holiday movie to see and it could roll on to truly huge numbers. Maybe if Devin wrote an article about your a stupid racist if you like Avatar and your a stupid douchebag if you don't want to see Holmes he can spare himself from another round of TDK ridicule…oh right…he has already done that. Guess Devin gets a giant bowl of fail for Christmas.
Devin, you truly are a master of double standards.
I saw Holmes with my family today and it was just ok. We were all a bit underwhelmed by it. Downey was terrific as usual, as was Mark Strong as the villain. The problem with the movie is that it felt like a typical soul-less, big-budget Joel Silver action movie shoehorned into a Sherlock Holmes premise. Even with the mediocre trailers I was really hoping that Guy Ritchie would have brought something special to the table but alas he didn't. I could have easily seen someone like Stephen Sommers doing this film with the script they had. Aside from a few fairly clever reveals in the third act, it was pretty stupid and trite. Also, Rachel McAdams, while being serious eye candy, was pretty dull in her role but I guess that's how it was written. I hate to beat a dead horse but Avatar was a far more entertaining film. I don't care what Heavy Devy says.
tell me more of these "bar-tits"
"He wrote this things to make money" <- stopped reading there. Nice work pal.
Devin said, " the complaints about the film's perceived lack of faithfulness to Doyle's creation kind of get on my nerves, especially when they come from folks who haven't seen the movie or folks who are obviously not familiar with the original stories."
The interesting thing is Devin goes on to say things about the original series that is not right; but he points out that, "I have read only a handful of Holmes stories myself."
No crap you have only read a handful. You do this a lot. You rant and complain about things that you youself are guilty of. If you had read all of the stories by Doyle you would learn the following:
Holmes was NOT brought back because fans complained. He was brought back after Doyle saw how successful The Hound of the Baskervilles was. Fans had complained when Doyle killed Holmes off; but the cash he made years later when he decided to make the Baskervilles a Holmes story was what brought Holmes back from the grave. And Doyle was smart when he killed off Holmes by having none of the characters witness the so called death. And Devin needs to go back and read the first Holmes story, A Study in Scarlet. In it Holmes does indeed say say that he did not know the Earth revolved around the sun, as it had no bearing on solving a case. But in that very story he shows that Holmes must have said this to make a point as Holmes knows details on other issues. I guess someone was right. Devin uses Wikipedia rather than actually reading.
Devin also says, "he never wore a deerstalker cap in the books, although in Hound of the Baskervilles he does wear a hat with ear flaps) never busted out any karate."
Ummm yeah, he wore the long gray travelling cloat, and the close fitting, ear flapped, cloth travelling hat when he went to the country….only to the country. And that ear flapped hat was a deerstalker hat. Sidney Padget, who did the original art work for the stories in the Strand drew the deerstalker. That's what it is. Devin doesn't realize this because Devin just apes other idiots who don't know what they are talking about–again a ongoing theme for Devin.
Finially with the action, sure the original stories had action in them; but the action never overshadowed the dialogue or the deduction. The action- if there was any–was retained for the end of the story. The original stories were action scene upon action scene. The main point was tonally was client goes to Holmes for help. Holmes uses his observation tallents to impress the reader and client and he explains how he came to his deductions. Then he goes and investigates in the field. If there is action it's usually never the top, though there were a few heavier action endings such as The Sign of the Four.
Something that bothers me is Downy looks nothing like Holmes is described. Doyle wrote, "His very person and appearance were such as to strike the attention of the most casual observer. In height he was rather over six feet, and so excessively lean that he seemed to be considerably taller. His eyes were sharp and piercing, save during those intervals of torpor to which I have alluded (when Holmes was stoned or getting off a high) and his thin, hawk-like nose gave his whole expression an air of alertness and decision. His chin too, had the prominence and squareness which mark the man of determination." This isn't Robert Downy Jr at all!!!!!
Downy doesn't act like Holmes did either. He teases and plays gags with Watson like pointing at Watson in the film like they are 12 year old kids….that isn't Holmes and Watson. House and Wilson, maybe–but not the Holmes and Watson.
I like the fact that Devin seems to think that the Holmes fans want the Holmes of the Basil Rathbone films. While Rathbone looked the part, that's about as far as those series go. Jeremy Brett, however, especially in the first 12 episodes of his Sherlock Holmes was spot on. I say the first 12-20 episodes because after that Brett began to gain weight. The shows were pretty accurate then too, but Brett no longer looked right for Holmes.
Yes, Holmes praticed shooting in his apartment. Yes he could do martial arts. He could box and he could fence. These are all things that Doyle sometimes told the readers and sometimes showed the readers. But he never had a story that focused it's attentions to just those aspects of Holmes.
Had Devin actually taken the time to learn the topic all the way…had he read all of the stories and learned what the Holmes stories were and were not, Devin would not come across like a fool. But Devin does that all the time. He comments upon things like he actually knows the topic and has all of the facts, when he just has his own hal cocked opinions. Devin gripes about other's flaws when in all actuallity, he has the very flaws he is complaining about. Ironic.
Raise your hand if you actually read all of # 26.
@#20: But if you want to engage in an intellectual/geeky discussion about it, then you can't be wading in with an emotional response and not expect to have your arse handed to you. If you love the film and had a great time at the cinema, that's awesome, it really is. But stay the fuck out of film discussions if that's as far as you want to take your interest in cinema. —- Sites like these are for people who actually parlay their emotional responses into mindful investigation – that's what being a film geek is all about. You loved a movie? WHY did you love it? Was it the director? A particular performance? Was the script outstanding? Where all these aspects weak, but you still loved it anyway? Find out why! You might learn something about yourself and how and why it's important people tell stories. Maybe because there were some sweat gore moments (not everything has to be A-Grade Classic material) – who did the gore? What's their story and why were they responsible for the best thing in the movie you just watched? — Hope that helps.
"…kind of get on my nerves, especially when they come from folks who haven't seen the movie or folks who are obviously not familiar with the original stories.
Of course, being familiar with the original stories isn't necessary" ==== Huh?
*raises hand*
you both are full of shit, respect ? bullshit ! all this site has is devins warped opinions, his asskissers and those who dare to disagree. devin makes his mind about movies months before release.
what about nice detail tom came up with "…kind of get on my nerves, especially when they come from folks who haven't seen the movie or folks who are obviously not familiar with the original stories. Of course, being familiar with the original stories isn't necessary … really deep undercover movie journalism, huh ? gets on his nerves, yes so he is basically bitching, little girl, with a opinion others do not share. thought ( once ) this site
was about objective journalism, nope. devins childish rant – that is what this site is all about. ( english is not my native language, so pardon any errors)
"the Rathbone Holmes, though, is widely considered THE Holmes"
Rubbish. Iconic perhaps because of the deerstalker and pipe image and the of movies he made but please, not the best, it's more of parody. Even Christopher Plummer was superior in 'Murder By Decree', a pulpy film that arguably set the theme for the 'From Hell' storyline.
The Jeremy Brett portrayal of Holmes is widely considered to be the best by anyone with an an ounce of perception, and with good reason:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Brett
As for Robert Downey Jnr and Jude Law, they bring pulp and fun to the mix. I can go with that. The only thing not to like is the too high expectations of the moviegoing public.
I am currently 900 or 1400 pages through the Holmes short stories, I have seen every Rathbone film (as well as the Cushing ones) and just saw the new one. Devin is spot on. This movie is much more accurate than the old Rathbone flicks (many take place in WWII for christsake). However, while Ritchie's film more accurately depicts the duo, it fails to represent the tone and spirit of the stories like the Rathbone/Bruce vehicles. Both are good but let's face it, Ritchie pitched this as Lethal Weapon in 1890 and he delivere don that. BTW, watch the BBC series form the 80s for the best version of the stories. It is currently streaming on Netflix.
The Billy Wilder film, THE PRIVATE LIFE OF SHERLOCK HOLMES, seems to me to prove that you can screw around with the canon if you do so with a lots of wity and a twinkle in your eye.
The author brings up many good points. Rathbone's Holmes is the model for those that followed, however, the original 1939 movies, The Hound of the Baskervilles and The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, were set in the Victorian era, but MGM dropped the film and the studio who took it up in 1942 (I don't remember who) with The Voice of Terror, catered to the jingoism of the times by updating it and making the Nazis the enemy.
Yes,Nigel Bruce's Watson became nothing more than comic relief, but I never considered these films as the pinnacle of the celluloid versions of the sleuth. That distinction would fall to the Jeremy Brett/Edward Hartwick BBC series, which the blogger neglected to mention in his article.
The problem I have with the trailers I've seen begin with casting a short, unkempt, American method actor to play the lean, 6'2" fastidious British detective. Tossled hair and unshaven face may be typical Downey, but combined with his stature, I am compelled to think of Peter Falk's Columbo, rather than Holmes. And Holmes finding himself stripped and tied to a bedpost? Pray tell, in what story did Doyle write that?
I will still most likely go to see the film, and I may enjoy it, but I will probably include it among the many Holmes re-imaginings, like Young Sherlock Holmes, The Secret Life of Sherlock Holmes, The Seven Percent Solution and Sherlock
Holmes's Smarter Brother.
Forget comparing the movie to the Rathbone series. Anyone who mentions Rathbone as the quintesssential Sherlock Holmes is showing themselves off as someone who does not know Holmes. Check out the Jeremy Brett series from the 1980s-1990s. They play them on PBS where I live on Saturday evenings at 8 pm eastern time.
Matt Frewer FTW
Frankly, it's unfair to slight the "Rathbone" Holmes movies for being set during World War II when the most famous (and awesome) of those movies are The Hound of the Baskervilles and The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, both of which take place in the Victorian era and have nothing to do with Nazis. They're not perfect fucking emblems of faithfulness with regard to the literary canon, but again, they're awesome nonetheless.
RUSTY: Brett was DYING he didn't "get fat"!! He was on 2 meds – one for his weak heart the other for his manic depression. They clashed & caused him to bloat. He gives some of his best performances in the later eps – take The Dying Detective as an example. And the new movie is awesome. Yes, I've read the stories etc.
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