The news that Sony is rebooting the successful and recent Spider-Man franchise has actually made me angry. I’m angry not just as a fan of the Spider-Man character and the movies Sam Raimi has made with him, I’m angry as a person who has had my expectations constantly lowered by Hollywood but who never thought he’d see an insta-reboot like this. It’s the depths of creativity and the apex of shittiness, as far as I’m concerned.
First of all, Sony’s about to screw up the Spider-Man franchise. Their press release crows about bringing Peter Parker back to high school age in this reboot, and near as I can tell this means one thing and one thing only: Hello, Twilight fanbase. Raimi’s Spider-Man aged in real time, and Spider-Man 4 would have seen an adult Peter Parker getting ready to possibly get married. This isn’t sexy to the 14 year old girls who scream at Robert Pattinson, and frankly neither is Tobey Maguire. Starting over means the chance to get into that tween zeitgeist, and to cast a Peter Parker who will elicit long lines at Comic Con not just from the usual fanboys but also from hordes of screaming girls.
As a friend said to me on Twitter, Sony wouldn’t go chasing lower grosses, meaning the Twilight films have been outperformed by even the weakest Spider-Man film. But they would go chasing the heat of that franchise – the cultural cache and the endless free publicity. But it isn’t like Sony’s choice makes a lick of sense anyway, as the franchise remains in strong shape, with Spider-Man 3 making 330 million dollars domestic. If Sony wanted changes in the cast or tone these could be done in a Spider-Man 4. The only reason to go back to high school is to simply try for the CW audiences.
So we’ll get a dreamier Peter Parker, that’s almost for sure. And we’ll probably spend more time with his romantic life than we had previously, although Sony (probably) isn’t so dumb as to lose the action focus (anyway, girls go to action movies these days. You just can’t get the boys to go to Twilight). They are so dumb as to probably include Venom from the start. Venom, one of the worst things to happen to the Spider-Man comics (the character coarsened and cheapened everything it touched, and sent Spider-Man off into a direction that betrayed the spirit of the comic), is also incredibly popular. It seems exceptionally likely that Sony will shoehorn either Venom or Eddie Brock (saving Venom for the sequel and maybe Carnage for the third, thus making the day of every moron fan who wants comic book movies to be R-rated) into Spidey’s new origin. And yes, they’ll have a new origin because they need to get Venom in there, and to set this Spider-Man apart from Raimi’s. Maybe Mary Jane will be torn between Eddie and Peter. Are you Team Eddie?
Of course it’s possible that something good will come of this. Maybe Sony will tell good stories in this rebooted universe. Maybe the lessons of the superhero cinema revolution Spider-Man helped start will inform this new movie. But in reality this is the worst case scenario, believe it or not. The worst case scenario has Sony making a shitload of money on a reboot of a franchise that is still vital and strong.
As an audience – especially an audience for genre pictures – we’ve settled into a battered spouse position. We long since learned to not only accept sequels, but to love them (if you’re old enough to remember a time before Star Wars you’re old enough to remember a time when sequels all but guaranteed diminishing returns in every way). In the last couple of years we’ve become numb to the endless remakes that Hollywood churns out, barely even getting hot under the collar at a Hollywood version of a brand new foreign film. It’s Hollywood’s grand race to the bottom, and it’s possible that the Spider-Man reboot is what is waiting there.
It’s just the laziest way to go about anything – start over! It’s the equivalent of knocking all the pieces off the chessboard because you don’t know what your next move should be. And it’s the studio saying that they know you will eat the same shit again and again and again. They don’t need something new for you, because you’re happy to accept the reheated scraps of what you enjoyed just ten years ago. Hell, it makes remakes look bold.
And if Spider-Man: The Tween Years is a hit, Hollywood will see that it works. Here’s the secret: while there are many talented people in this town with great ideas and vision and with the drive to do something new and unique, they are all stuck working at studios manned by morons and people who don’t even like movies. They know what has worked in the last few years, and that’s it – which means insta-reboots are their dreams come true. If Spider-Man worked ten years ago and works again now, why bother doing anything new? Forget about going through even the minimal creative work of doing a sequel or coming up with something new – just take what you did before and do it again.
Or maybe this is good news. The current blockbuster era is showing its age; 3D is being touted as the replacement for actual story and filmmaking, and budgets are getting beyond insane. As people eat up the sheer garbage Hollywood is spewing out it emboldens the studios to make more garbage (especially when people steer clear of movies that are interesting or smart), but eventually audiences lose their taste for the garbage. It happened to the studios in the late 60s and it seems almost inevitable that it will someday happen again. Maybe the Spider-Man reboot is the opening sentence of the last chapter of current Hollywood history. Maybe we’re getting closer to our Cleopatra. Maybe a radical shift in what people want will put Hollywood off-kilter and will change the very concept of what is a mainstream movie.
Oh, who am I kidding? Enjoy seeing the same movies getting remade every ten years for the rest of your life.





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Good work Devin. The sad fact is I remember seeing that trailer for Spider-Man and being excited. The only thing that has got me interested in the other films is that Raimi was involved. Now I see that it is all a business and the dollar signs are all that matters. Yeah I'm a grown man and know how films are made for money etc. But watching Spidey 2? That wasn't money – that was art.
You're right….it's like Sony couldn't get its way with Raimi so, like a child, just had a tantrum and threw everything out, including, perhaps, the baby with the bath water.
If the reboot is as good as Batman Begins, Star Trek, or Casino Royale, I'm fine with it.
Normally, I'd balk at the idea of a reboot this quick; however, since time has shown the current crop of Spidey films to be boring snoozefests (please, less gee's, gosh's, and crying like a bitch Peter), I say bring it on. And this time? Have some fucking FUN with it. You know, fun? That thing Devin cries about The Dark Knight lacking, when truth-be-told it's something franchises like Spider-Man and X-Men desperately need more of.
Devin, thank God. I was waiting for what you were going to say about this beyond the 'breaking news." Spider-Man is finished. There is NO fucking reason for there not to be a "Spider-Man 4." I fucking KNEW that fucking "Twilight" and scary tween girls were now going to effect the way movies were made, but not on one of the most lucrative and successful franchises of all time. This is sickening. What's next with this reboot bullshit? It's been 10 years of 70% good-great comic book adaptaions and HALF of them are already being rebooted!?! Fuck you, Sony. Really.
I dunno. Let's not panic quite yet. Something like this was inevitable, really. Tobey is getting long in the tooth and Raimi seemed bored with the character in the last installment. The studio wasn't just going to stop making movies with a franchise this successful. I don't necessarily agree with backtracking all the way to highschool and getting more Goblin stories, but I also wasn't really interested in seeing Raimi sleepwalk through more installments with successively lamer villains. I'll panic when they assign Brett Ratner to this. Until then I'm hoping they get Marvel involved and scout some A-list talent for the players that matter.
Did I misread part of the article? You're attacking Sony for going after the Twilight tween girl audience and at the same time ripping into them for likely adding Venom and Carnage to the mix for an R-rated movie to appease the 'moron fan' base. Which is it, Devin – tweens or R-rated? 'Cuz Sony sure as shit won't be doing both. Not intending to bust balls, just looking for some clarification on the thought process of your rant.
Did I misread part of the article? You're attacking Sony for going after the Twilight tween girl audience and at the same time ripping into them for likely adding Venom and Carnage to the mix for an R-rated movie to appease the 'moron fan' base. Which is it, Devin – tweens or R-rated? 'Cuz Sony sure as shit won't be doing both. Not intending to bust balls, just looking for some clarification on the thought process of your rant.
This is all just about power Devin, who's the boss?
Yes, you misread. There will never be an R-rated SPIDER-MAN. Venom and Carnage, however, appeal to the same fanboys who WANT every superhero movie to be R-rated.
I would like to point out that in the Ultimate Spider-Man line of comics Eddie Brock is LARGE portion of Peters origin. And the very good Spectacular Spider-Man tv show touches on a Brock and Mary Jane brief fling… so if they go that direction, know that it is based on pre-existing comic concepts not solely an attempt to cash in on the Twilight crowd.
It's the same crap we got with the Spider-Man comics. "Spider-Man can't have kids, it makes him too old. Let's erase everything and start over."AAAHHHHH!
It's funny how some fans are cheering this move. I doubt this will bring them the Spidey movie they always wanted to see.
"if you're old enough to remember a time before Star Wars you're old enough to remember a time when sequels all but guaranteed diminishing returns in every way"
I don't remember that about Godfather Part II or From Russia with Love or For a Few Dollars More…
If it ain't broke, why fix it. Sure Spidey 4 would need some tweeks back to what made 1 and 2 great, but it's not like 3 was a Batman & Robin!
Kinda the movie equivalent of ending a happy 10 year marriage and deciding to start over and get remarried (we'll say to a much younger woman for the Twilight reference)….all because she wanted a cat and you wanted a dog.
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Could not agree more. I'm disappointed few people seem to be having as violent a reaction to this news as I had upon hearing it, so it's good to see I'm not alone. Sony rushed to a decision here and they made a poor choice, and somebody needs to take them to task for it.
Oh who cares? The last one was crap anyway, no way a reboot could be worse.
totally effing depressing.
I have to admit, it's a bit fun seeing Devin wiggle in displeasure over his favorite superhero franchise after giving so much grief to others about "theirs". The best thing about it? These are gonna be more fun.
A few things to consider:
Comic book characters are particularly durable to different, exaustive, and endless interpretations. Movies however unlike comic books cost a lot of money and it makes sense that for that venue, they go with what is most marketbale. Which leads me to…
I love Raimi as much as anyone else, but we have no idea that his take on the next Spider-Man – which would also come with his hefty price tag, not to mention the cast – was any good. It's possible that the creative team simply looked at this situation and said, Why go through the motions of doing one more VERY expensive movie that we either are going to have major compromises on, or need to completely blindly trust to a filmmaker (which, despite the romanticism around the notion, doesn't always yield positive results).
With Spider-Man, in theory what you're paying for is the character. So just the same way that when the comic got tired of one storyline, you'd see another iteration, that's what the studio could be seen as doing.
Do I believe this had nothing to do with bullshit Hollywood politics? Of course not. But I'm just saying, this of all situations actually seems like a somewhat logical step. It's really no different than doing X-Men: First Class. While ostensibly a new story, we know its just an attempt to back up the tape, lose the expensive elements like big name actors which weight the costs down, and go back to the source material to see if that can draw fans in on its own (at a much cheaper cost.) Just what they did with The Hulk.
In fact, that's pretty much what happened with Batman: They made a decent one, then made a dark weird one that made less money, and a couple years later, rebooted with Val Kilmer and tried to go for a more commercial tone. When that didn't quite work, they rebooted again.
It was terrible enough to kill the franchise for a while, sure, but that was because there had been WAY too much Batman in that time period. It sucked up all blockbuster oxygen. I don't think in this modern age Spider-Man is doing the same thing. And so by 2005, there was Batman Begins, and we started with a whole new tone. And believe me, after the next Nolan movie, there will be a short waiting period, and then an attempt to do something entirely new with Batman – maybe its making a more whimsical 3d adventure, maybe its making a eally dark verson, who knows?
But the pont is, I don't think this Spider-Man thing is all that shocking or offensive, and I don't think it's indicative of any kind of raping by the studio system so much as a logical cutting of losses before undertaking a massive and bloated financial risk with a fractious, strained 4th installment to a franchise that most would agree can't best it's peak second film no matter what they do.
Actually just sounds like what comics do every ten years yeah? Bring out a new title for an old property and a new issue #1. Will the posters come on holographic foil and have multiple variants? Or is 3D itself the new lenticular collector's edition #1?
Well, Raimi's out, and as much as I'd like the fanchise handed off to someone who would do something really awesome with it, the high school reboot tells the tale. Not to be a negative nelly, but it's not like we'll be getting Greengrass.
I was really surprised that Sony would even think of rebooting the franchise, instead of doing something similar to the Burton/Schumacher Batman movies (Two different directors and sets of actors, but essentially the same universe and continuity).
Hell, even X-Men 3 managed to stabilize itself when Singer left, although, we did get Brett Ratner instead.
And hearing that Venom could be involved only makes this worse. I got into Spidey during Marvel's "HEY LET'S USE VENOM AS MUCH AS WE CAN" phase, so I quickly became bored of his character.
Other than that, I look forward to new tie-in animated series and crappy toyline that will no doubt follow!
The "battered spouse" analogy was on the nose. I'm sure those who were in preschool when the first movie came out will love this remake. Let me know when Raimi has a new, original film. I have $10 for him.
1. What the heck is going on in that picture. 2. Right on. Hollywood is going to get a pineappled in the butt by Satan for this crap. This is the kinda producer driven insanity that turned music into Disco and this is Gordy turning real Soul in to bubblegum for radio playtime this is boybands that cant play instruments and the modern poptarts that cant sing till the mixer fixes their tone later. Give back the movies to the real artists and shove all the damn producers into the ocean. Brilliant failures are better that heartless, pre-chewed drek.
I never cared for Spider-Man, and I still find this depressing. Having read up on it a bit, I'm not sure how Venom and Carnage are any dumber than 90% of the rest of the Marvel universe.
Sony doing what they are doing to the Spider-Man films, is exactly what Joe Quesada did to Spider-Man at Marvel. He retconned almost 20 years of Spider-Man history just because he did not like Peter being married to Mary Jane and getting older. After that fiasco, I stopped reading all of Marvel. And I have not looked back since. In terms of the new, retconned Spider-Man films coming from Sony, since I still have a bad taste in my mouth from Spider-Man 3, it's going to be very hard for me to go back to the theatre to see any new Spidey film. Devin's right on with this–film studios just do not give a fuck about these characters. Thankfully, we still have Raimi's Spider-Man 2 as an iconic film that will last the test of time on DVD and Blu-Ray or whatever medium it goes on to in the future
Hey c'mon. We all know 3 sucked. Tobey Maguire has NO charisma, they cut out all the fun one-liners that is a major part of Spidey in the comics. Dunst has zero charisma or any of the fire MJ had.
The goofy goblin suit sucked, his snowboarding son…I mean these are no Batman Begins. I do think 2 was great soley for Alfred Molina as Doc Ock.
Raimi helped pave the way for big comic movies, raising the bar..but they are not untouchable classics.
There are a ton of iterations of different comic characters, and I happen to enjoy the Ultimate Spiderman title.
bring it.
I the the only reason anyone ever rooted against Avatar doing well was because they wanted their Cleopatra to come as soon as possible.
Well said Devin, but I'm rather baffled that the news to go reboot come straight away from Sony. Is 'Twilight : Eclipse' tracking numbers is that strong ? Maybe this is just panic reaction from Sony –albeit, a shitty one– to protect their SOLE franchise from falling to Disney/Marvel. Sony needs to protect their tentpole dates, and, short of the Langdon films, Spidey is the only one they got and any tiny signs of development –reboot,remake,re-imagining– should be put out to stop those people in Disney/Marvel before developing their OWN Spidey. I'm not really sure how this licensing works, but I sure remember the time when New Line was set to do Iron Man until the internal studio team (busy counting LOTR money, perhaps) couldn't make Nick Cassavetes nail the production and then had to let Shellhead back to Marvel. At that time, Iron Man was just a secondary character. Spidey, however, is something else : it's icon of the Superhero Genre rebirth (face it, DC wouldn't think to resurrect Batman and Supes until they saw the 114 mill Sony reaped in that historical 3-day weekend gross in 2002). Spidey has now become the golden boy that a parent will not give custody to the other one…
Ultimately Spiderman was, is and shall be for tweens and overgrown manchildren. Why even worry about this? If anything it may bring us closer to another horror offering from Rami. No problem there as far as I'm concerned. I never wanted him to get mired in big budget Hollywood comic adaptations to begin with.
"Venom, one of the worst things to happen to the Spider-Man comics"
Obviously you haven't been reading any Spidey comics for the past ten years. Gray Goblin anyone? Mourlin? Mephisto?
u are forget that spiderman is a avenger so we might get him in the avenger movie .
I see Len Wiseman taking the helm and an unknown cast (TV soap or tween show). Sure why not. They screwed up X Men, why not Spiderman. Spiderman 3 made a crap load of money and it was horrible. How dare the auteur behind the series complain about tone and character and it making freakin sense. You know Shrek came about from Jeffery Kazenberg's Disney experience. I think maybe some good can come of this for Rami. He has a serious axe to grind. Creatively we might all reap the benefits. F U Sony.
I think this is the new way to do franchises. You build them up until the cast and director become to high priced, then the studio changes the lineup for younger, cheaper talent. Its the way of the industry. In 15 years, when Fox goes with "Avatar 5: Dr. Augustine's School", directed by a music video director, with an entire teen cast, this type of news will be normal.
No, this is just stupid. I want a reboot. I sat on my bed after masturbating in 2002 and watched the spidey bootleg on my big ass tv after watching Sumi das's massive tits on fresh gear, and I FUCKING HATED IT. I can't believe I visited spiderman hype everyday for this garbage. But even so, it's utterly unexpected that they'd just toss it all in the trash and start over so soon. Bad signs for supey franchise of the future thats for sure.
am i the only one that thinks they WONT go through with a reboot? a new director and cast, yea. but a reboot? i doubt it.
Nice article Devin, I was curious to see if Raimi could revive the franchise….now I guess we'll never know.
I find it funny that so many people are jumping to conclusions. The only thing that's going on is that Sony needs to make a Spider-Man film (because if they don't, the rights revert back to Marvel) and Raimi has been troublesome to work with regarding the script. He quit the project (citing that he couldn't "go forward creatively") so they decided to reboot the franchise rather than try to replace him and continue on after the terrible movie that Spider-Man 3 was.
That's it. No Twilight-y hidden agendas, no marketing ploys, they just need to make a film right now and Raimi won't do it.
I think it's good – Raimi never captured the character well. He played around too much with the story and made a lot of bad decisions (organic webshooters, making Mary Jane an actress instead of a model because he wanted Dunst but she wasn't attractive enough to play a model, casting Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker even though he looks nothing like what he should, etc).
If Sony fails and the next Spider-Man movie sucks, then they fail and we can stop worrying about it.
If they succeed (and actually stay true to the character this time) we'll all look back on the Raimi versions and chuckle like we do with the Burton Batmans. Were they bad movies? Not really. They just weren't GREAT movies.
I'm okay with this. There was no way they were getting more than one more movie out of Raimi and Maguire anyway, if only because Tobey was rapidly aging out of the role (nobody wants to see a 40 year old Spider-Man). And regardless of it's relative quality, 3 did manage to wrap up all the loose ends from the first two movies, which would have made a fourth no more than a potentially entertaining epilogue.
Starting over with younger actors (Maguire was 25 when he did the first one—about as old as Peter Parker should ever really get) gives them potentially a few more years to exploit their cast before they age out of their characters, and hopefully find a filmmaker (or filmmakers) willing to crank out a movie sooner than every four years, which is how long it would have been between movies if Spider-Man 4 had come out as intended next year. Really, how happy would Warners be if they had to wait three or four years between their Harry Potters? If a reboot gets things cranking out faster with young actors signed to Potter-style lifetime contracts, I'm all for it.
Devin…some days I hate you,and some days you hit the nail right on the fucking head. If only Hollywood would read this article and have even the slightest clue. As a hardcore fanboy,I'm already SICK of seeing the same played out origin story in every comic book movie…now it appears the studios are jsut going to tell that same story over and over again. The insta-reboot will be the death of the comic book genre…and Fox and Sony will be right there tap-dancing on the grave,licking their chops and dreaming of the next fanbase they can fuck over to the last nickel.
Well said, Devin. Let's just hope this impending piece of shit bombs and Sony under performs enough to let Marvel sue for their rights back.
Really, people – calm the heck down and remember a few things:
1. Sony and marvel might hire someone with vision and talent to helm the new Spidey;
2. Spider-Man 3 was a mess, anyway;
3. Spider-Man 4, with its supposed Vulture storyline, reeks of crappiness anyway; and
4. The cast of Raimi's Spidey films is pretty old and seemingly bored.
Wait until we hear something more and then complain. Sure, the whole reboot aspect seems unnecessary, but talk about pre-judging. At most, this is a risky move – but no risk, no reward.
I just read that Sony is rebooting this editorial.
The Raimi shit was fucking garbage and everyone knew it. Sony did the right thing in killing this abortion of a franchise. After you go super gay emo Spidey and waste Venom in 12 minutes of screen time then there is no going back. Hopefully they will get the Green Goblin right this time too.
The new series may or may not suck, we may have to sit through another round of Spiderman shooting cum out of his wrists, but at least it won't have Raimi's stink all over it this time. Sorry but Spidey 3 is big budget schlock at its worst. Raimi is even lucky he got to make pg-13 Evil Dead aka Drag me to Director Hell.
So who's going to play Peter Parker in the reboot??? I'll bet right now it'll be Michael Cera or at best, Shia Labouf.. I just can't believe that with all the stories out there in the SPIDERMAN Universe with villains galore, that this is the best decision to come up with instead of having SPIDERMAN 4 have the villains consisting of The KINGPIN, Kraven The HUNTER and The LIZARDMAN.. Now THAT'S the making of a good movie right there and with the technology we have now, they could make the LIZARDMAN look real.. Too fucking bad we won't see this now..
This brings to mind the over/under six months wager on Potter reboot after the release of 7.2.
I can't get mad about this, it's not worth it. But in the course of years since Sony purchased the rights, and began production, to the release date of the first film, this franchise has been riddled with criticism. But tell ya what, for anyone who enjoyed the first two films in the series, we got to see something that up till then was unthinkable. We got to see one of the greatest comic-book characters of all time on the big screen, and we got the rush of watching some amazing film-making, spectacular CGI, great camera work, and a well crafted script treatment.
So go back and watch the first two, and re-watch them. Let the studios role the dice, let Sam Raimi move on to Warcraft and Ghost House, and lets all wait for Thor and Cap, and an incredible event with the Avengers.
I love the smell of indignant nerds in the morning.
Actually, I think there is vast room for a reboot. I'm not a fan of the series. It looks like plastic, and it's got the emotional whallop of your average episode of The OC.
To be honest, I'd rather see them make a film that felt more lived in, like a real new york, with practical effects (and before you bray that it's impossible, it's not, it's just very hard and dangerous) and a sense of place, like Ghostbusters or Taxi Driver. Maybe someone like Jonathan Levine to direct with Josh Peck starring. That's the direction I'd like to see Spider-Man taken in. Although it's a pointless wish, because we all know we are just going to end up getting what Devin described. BUT IN 3D!
Still, this news is less depressing (and hillarious) than Zemeckis Mo Capping the fucking Yellow Submarine
I guaran-fucking-tee that it will play out like Twilight — Mary Jane is intrigued by the nerdy but mysterious Peter Parker, whose Uncle is dead, makes excuses for his whereabouts, etc. all the while Spider-Man is out there saving the day. It'll be exactly like. Those of you who don't want a soap opera are gonna be in for a disappointment.
Dev, this is one time where you're spot on. Not that I have an abiding love or loyalty to the Spider-Man movies (my balls HAVE dropped, thank you), but the implication that Sony wants a 'tween' Spider-man is hard to miss.
But the joke will be on them.
The TWILIGHT audience is getting older and getting ready to move on to… something else. And it won't be Spider-Man.
They should never make more than one sequel. They get to make two movies; period. Then they've got to move onto another character to adapt.
OK, mark my words: we'll get a very brief new origin within the first 10 minutres of the movie – maybe even montaged onto the opneing credits. Everyone knows Spidey's origin, there's absolutely no need to retell it, just refilm it with different actors. Then we'll see Pete on like day 5 of being Spidey or something and we'll go on from there. Yes, Brock is sure to be in there. But my point is: this might not be as awfull as you make it sound.
Fuck those losers for ditching Spider-Man. The franchise had VERY successful movies and a VERY successful DIRECTOR and CAST! Sure 3 wasn't up to snuff. Let's chalk that up to the studio. 4 seemed to have what it needed! This is a damn shame… a damn shame…
@#41 You nailed it right on the head. The Twilight conspiracy theorists need to get a clue.
Bright side, maybe we get more kick-ass stuff from Raimi like Drag Me to Hell.
This article needs a giant 'jump to conclusions' mat. I mean seriously, there's a ton of stuff you go on about that has absolutely no basis in current reality. The entire thing reads like a 'What if?' comic.
Personally the thought of a reboot doesn't bother me much one way or the other. I love Raimi but his Spider-man movies were fairly boring and lacking the wise-cracking wit that practically defines Spidey. Maybe a reboot will be better, maybe it'll be worse, it's just a matter of waiting and seeing.
Or we could all stand around and yell about the sky falling because we saw a raindrop.
A comic book movie for teenagers? Outrageous!!
Please, Sony. Please, at the very least start the movie with Tobey. And have him make a deal with the devil to save his 100 year old aunt who is dying from dying by changing his history, which would then throw the movie back to Peter in high school.
I love the character of Spidey. He's literally the reason I learnt to read. I was disappointed with all 3 of Raimi's movies and blame Maguire and Dunst pretty much totally. So I'm hardly heartbroken. Why all the love for Spiderman 2? Who would want to see a Spider-Man movie where Doc Ock saves the world at the end?
So a rebooted Spider-Man and a World of Warcraft movie in 2012…….wierd
I can see it now, MJ falling under the spell of Morbius and Spidey coming to the rescue, but uh oh here comes Man-Wolf and he and spidey battle it out for MJ's affections while Morbius holds MJ captive atop a high school gymnasium
The first half of the first film and almost all of the Spiderman 2 was great. Although Dafoe was good, the Green Goblin from the first was a poor design, it felt like somethig out of a Power Rangers episode. In general I liked how Rami’s style worked with the series, and I really like McGuire as Spidey and will be disappointed to see him go, but if Spiderman 3 was any indication of the quality we’d get out of a fourth film (due to a Sony/Rami conflict) maybe it’s better this fell apart. My initial reaction to this was disappointment, but I will say the “Ultimate Spiderman” series of comics would be an interesting template to use for the next series of films. Pretty good storylines and an overall interesting take on the character. Unfortunately, due to Avatar’s success, the big focus will be on 3-D, so I won’t be shocked if the quality of the story is only a secondary concern. On the plus side, maybe Rami will turn his focus to another Evil Dead film.
I am not at all disappointed to learn that the same director is not going to make a fourth version of the same movie. I'd rather see new creative teams and their takes on the characters. You know, like in the comics.
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"I love the character of Spidey. He's literally the reason I learnt to read"…if only he could teach you how to spell….
I liken this whole debacle to the happenings with Conan/Leno. Suits are eager to tear down "smart" movies, shows, etc. in an effort to appeal toward a base that wouldn't know good film/comedy/art if it walked up to them and slapped them in the mouth. Sure, you'll get your tweens (spider man reboot) or baby boomers (Leno), but you risk isolating those who appreciate the craft of filmmaking (Raimi's series) and good comedy (Conan…Leno has nothing new and exciting to offer television, he was one of the best comedians of his generation and started a show that pissed away any creative or groundbreaking material). It's a sad state for Hollywood. Creative people have so many good ideas to offer and they are given the shaft because execs believe people want "pepsi" movies. If you force feed shit, people will eat. It's a sad state of affairs for creative filmmaking, television, music and any form of art these days. Kudos to those who care to be different. Thanks Devin for pointing out the utter stupidity of the Sony suits. Hopefully Sam Raimi will take some shots at them down the road for destroying what he's built.
erik larsen venom was awesome
its the age of quick data.. art and character don't work in little spurts on your iPhone.. George Lucas doesn't care that his prequels are devoid of humanity, as long as the next generation of little peckers eats it up and makes their parents take them to the movies 5 times.. its unstoppable.
Everyone at Sony needs to read this article. Sad fact of the the matter is that even if they did, they wouldn't care studio executives always believe that they are always right all the time, and if they are proven wrong, they'll blame it on something else. It's just endemic to the system
It's the Ground Hog Day approach to the movie franchise. Does that mean Peter Parker will learn to play the piano and make ice sculptures?
I'd like this article a lot more if it didn't feature so much senseless conjecture. The franchise is being rebooted. Sure. The movie's being fielded as a Twilight me- too?Not confirmed in any way shape or form. We get it Devin, you lurve you some Dopey Maguire. That particular ship has sailed, and just like in the comics, it's someone else's turn.
This is an article I want everyone to recall when the next Spiderman movie turns out to be fine, as Sony probably won't scuttle their action tentpole franchise. Hopefully it'll be Devin's third-most ill-advised rant.
Such a whiny bitch. If you love original movies so much, maybe you should spend half the time writing about them as you do complaining about movies you don't like.
Hear hear. Well said sir. The future of mainstream film doth look grim.
Praise Allah for the reboot! No more stupid triangle eyed/layered/fish scaled blue spidey suit! No more cartoony CG! No more Power Ranger Green Goblin! No more Ski suited Goblin Jr! No more dazed or taking a dump expressions for Tobey M! No more ugly Dunst and uglier Howard! No more limp, voice cracking, lame Spidey quips! No more the Sandman killed Uncle Ben! No more defiled Venom! No more villains that you need to empathize with! No more Vulture as the main villain! No more bad ass dancing black suit Spidey! No more lame Raimi references to the rest of his non-Spidey canon! Sorry, Spider-man 2 was the only decent one, and it's only "good." I get it guys, Raimi is a geek icon, but at least admit that his Spider-Man movies didn't even close to what you really hoped for.
"As a friend said to me on Twitter, Sony wouldn't go chasing lower grosses, meaning the Twilight films have been outperformed by even the weakest Spider-Man film. But they would go chasing the heat of that franchise – the cultural cache and the endless free publicity. But it isn't like Sony's choice makes a lick of sense anyway, as the franchise remains in strong shape, with Spider-Man 3 making 330 million dollars domestic. If Sony wanted changes in the cast or tone these could be done in a Spider-Man 4. The only reason to go back to high school is to simply try for the CW audiences." Just a few days ago, weren't you talking about how much you hate it when shit gets leaked online? Whether it's a script, heresay, or anything else? Do you forget about what you write about on a daily basis? Truthfully, how is anybody supposed to take you and this site seriously?
Ok. Venom wasn't a terrible character…he was creepy and brought a touch of intense violence to the book before Seth M. dipped the whole thing in bloody carnage. That is what was RIGHT about the character. But bringing it into the high-school Twilight universe means that you are going to get a slightly violent venom character but not one who is actually scary…because he will probably be played by some buffed up christian-rock looking blond asshole…and I GUARANTEE he will be involved with a love triangle involving Spidey and X….Mary Jane right? It AINT going to be Willem Defoe or Alfred Molina playing the baddy…I promise you that. Good thing they got rid of that hack Sam Raimi who just delivered one of the best horror films of the past twenty years….genre directors…pfffffffffttt….who needs em.
I say this now if this new Peter Parker/Spiderman Sparkles I will Burn the theatre down then shove the ashes down SONY's throat.
Honestly I've been in support of rebooting Spider Man since Iron Man came out. Not to rehash familiar ground but to establish him in the continuity of the bigger Marvel Cinema-Universe that is starting to form.
In an ideal world, if SONY has any sense, they'll hold onto the distribution rights while allowing Marvel Studios to produce the project. That way both studios profit and the fanboys get a nice bit of continuity.
I realize that the likely hood of this happening is slim. Sony will likely horde this project to themselves and turn it into just another crap cash cow, but a boy can dream can't he?
micheal cera as peter parker in the reboot..
"Maybe the Spider-Man reboot is the opening sentence of the last chapter of current Hollywood history. Maybe we're getting closer to our Cleopatra. Maybe a radical shift in what people want will put Hollywood off-kilter and will change the very concept of what is a mainstream movie."
You give me reason to live, Mr. Faraci. This may be a long-shot, but I'm going to hope for the best.
So what if Peter is going back to school? Big deal. Spidey´s best comics have Peter dealing with school stuff, think Ditko, Romita…the best stuff it´s there.
You know what man, I would've been excited for another Raimi Spider-man movie. But I'd be way more excited for Raimi doing something besides Spider-man. Motherfucker's been trapped in that web for ten years. Although I enjoyed them (even the third one) I'd way rather he be doing movies like DRAG ME TO HELL or something else new entirely. And while he's doing that I don't see the point in somebody else trying to copy his Spider-man movies. This seems like good news to me.
What other director ever had to do 4 of the same series? I think it's time to let the balloon fly.
This movie will cost milion of dolar!!!
I think Devin should write more articles on jumping to conclusions. Some Grade A reporting that is!
where exactly was the series going anyways.. the villains are pathetic, high school is perfect for the 'white kids with problems' aesthetic, where pathetic can reign unabated..
comics be rebooting to a teen- audience all the time. If this is what it takes to get rid of Kirsten Dunst, so be it.
This isn't even remotely news.
I doubt Vanderbilt wrote a fucking Twilight-inspired Spider-Man movie. I mean, the guy wrote Zodiac.
I did learn how to spell "excelsior"?
Yeah, this is completely ridiculous it's not as though we have ever seen the Spider-man series reboot/retcon'd/spawned-off religiously every five years in the comic book universe.
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This is just a fucking stupid idea. From what I hear, Raimi just wanted to correct the mistakes of the 3rd one (which at least he was good enough to ACKNOWLEDGE, unlike the fucktarded studio brass) and make a better movie overall. Bravo to him for asking for a little more control. I mean, he only made Sony, what, near 3 BILLION from HIS trilogy. He was not wrong to expect a little loyalty. And besides, Batman, Superman, most of the X-Men, and plenty of other superheroes are often adults. What the hell would be wrong with seeing Spiderman as an adult? What honestly would be fucking wrong with that? I'm tired of seeing Spiderman bitch about being a mutant teenager.
The next logical step in the growth of the character is to explore what it would be like to be an adult with those powers. And logically since Peter Parker is somewhat of a scientist, he would at some point want to find a way to cure himself of it and at least attempt to live a somewhat normal adult life. And that would be the correct end to your Spiderman movie series. Perfect ending when he's cured and can have kids and be normal. But no, the studio doesn't want that. Fuck 'em then. I'd like to see more filmmakers not work for Sony as a result of this because if they've done this once to a filmmaker as successful as Raimi, they'll gladly do it again. So, the new Spiderman director better watch out because they'll do the same thing to him after his trilogy is finished (if he makes it that far).
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