Probably not.
That’s the short answer to the headline question. In the last couple of days I’ve seen lots and lots of folks speculating on what the Spider-Man reboot means in terms of the character’s relationship to the shared Marvel Movieverse that includes The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and The Avengers; lots of folks have speculated that maybe this change in direction means that Spider-Man can finally meet those characters in the movies. I wouldn’t bet on it.
First of all, it’s important to note that the reboot has no bearing on the ownership of Spider-Man; his movie rights still are at Sony. The studio would have to let him lay dormant for a couple of years to have him go back to Marvel. And I don’t mean not make a movie, I mean not actively work on one, so just attaching a director and a screenwriter to fuck around forever more or less counts.
That’s why Fox is rebooting Daredevil and Fantastic Four; it’s unclear if these will ever go anywhere, but as long as they’re actively working on the films, Marvel can’t get the characters back. And while Sony will toss off the director who made them a couple of billion dollars with Spider-Man movies, they won’t just get rid of the character. Spider-Man will be at Sony for a long, long time.
Well, a long, long time maybe. There’s one thing I need to say here that I normally wouldn’t: I honestly don’t know what Disney and Marvel might do in the future. I was one of those people laughing off the idea of a shared superhero universe a decade ago, and now it’s a reality thanks to the innovative thinking at Marvel Studios. When Disney bought Marvel they didn’t just want Machine Man – they want to make Spider-Man movies. Considering Disney’s very aggressive moves lately and Marvel’s willingness to think big, I wouldn’t be totally surprised if they tried to get Webhead back into the family house. How, when, etc I don’t know (although a co-financing partnership on a pricey Spidey movie could make sense), but I wouldn’t be shocked if it happened.
That said, I don’t think it will happen with this Spider-Man reboot. And there doesn’t seem to be much incentive for Sony to let Spider-Man live in that shared universe; while Marvel and Disney would benefit, where’s the upside to Sony for having Samuel L Jackson show up and essentially advertise the adaptation of The Avengers?
There is, however, one big if. If the rumors I’ve heard about the script are true – it’s heavy on a Peter/Mary Jane/Flash/Gwen Stacy love rectangle – Sony may want to placate the fanboys. Let’s be honest here: fanboys won’t make this movie a hit. We don’t have that power. But fanboys can buzz the movie down and hurt it that way. Sony has to be aware that getting rid of Raimi and rebooting has put much of the fanbase on the defensive. The fact that they want Marc Webb shows that the studio is going for some sort of artistic cred; allowing a minor crossover could give them the geek cred.
Here’s how it would go: at the very end of the movie, Samuel L Jackson shows up outside Midtown High. Peter Parker is coming to school and he gets stopped by the Agent of SHIELD, who tells him that they know who he is and that they’re keeping an eye on him. A rehash of what happened in Ultimate Spider-Man. Hoots and hollers from the geek gallery, modest recognition from everybody else.
But that’s the only scenario where I see it happening, and the reality is that Sony has a couple of years to win back the geeks without offering free advertising for a Paramount film. Remember that these people in charge don’t tend to love movies, and they sure as shit don’t love comic books. They look at bottom lines, not what would be cool. If they think a crossover could in any way help the bottom line, they’d do it. And Marvel would, I am certain, jump at it. But if they don’t think it’ll sell any extra tickets, they won’t bother.
Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance, on the other hand, could use all the help it can get…





17 comments
rom space knight needs to be in this!
I always knew Spiderman was into fisting!
you nailed it in the lede. it wont happen. and no matter how they run the numbers the opportunity costs associated with coordinating with disney/marvel aren't worth the "placating the fanboys" benefit. i think the model to look at is wolverine: origins. you COULD argue that it was the fanboy rage that hurt it. but you'd be wrong. what hurt it was the bad taste that lingered in EVERYONE's mouth after X-men 3. also: see superman returns. the studios are learning that's it worth the hassle of working within the confines of the established franchise. just reboot the fucker and make a movie. this has been a winning formula for the hulk and batman. yeah not so much with stuff like the punisher. but whatever. the benefit of rebooting is that you can get cheaper talent and if it bombs then so what? you can reboot it again in 5 years or less. as long as they dont give it to cameron or lucas or something then i'm fine with the spidey reboot. just keep millar away from it.
I want this movie to fail and Sony to lose lots of money. Cunts.
I think the amount of upset on the behalf of original trilogy diehards is being overplayed. If anything, I've seen a lot more positive reaction than negative (positive about the reboot, but negative on how quickly it happened). While people were pretty high on the Spider-Man movies initially, it seems like much of the praise has turned into cries of them now seeming dull.
Man, I HATE Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury. Hate, hate, hate it.
wow! that's a lot of lube, spidey.
@ Sleeper,
What? You want David Hasselhoff instead?
To be honest I'm not looking for Spider-Man in the avengers. I just want the slightest hint that that exists in that universe. Even a flippant remark from Stark about a "guy in pyjamas swinging around New York" would be enough for me.
It's already been inferred in the Spider Man series that it is the Marvel Universe when in trying to name Doctor Octopus, they want to use Doctor Strange. J.J. Jamison says "that's good…but it's already taken." Although I admit that's a world of difference from having the Human Torch fly by Spider-man while webslinging through the city.
After recent news on Spider-Man, the news keeps getting worse and worse. I'm still worried they are gonna turn it into a Twilight teeny bopper emo love mess. First Hollywood turns Vampires into misunderstood brooding romantic types who are not blood sucking monsters….now this. I have a feeling this is gonna be like Sherlock Holmes…it's got the name and all; but it isn't really meant for the fans of the original works.
Ugh! I didnt think about that! I hope your wrong Keith (#10) But alas you may be correct. *sigh
comment #2, hahahaha
People seem to forget that spiderman was conceived as a teeny bopper romance emo love mess.
wtf no he wasn't. He was a class clown, a damn smart one, that's his problem. He gets cocky too often because he's so smart… And then it leads to killing his guardians.
didn't the first or second one mention the Baxtor building too? (FF4)
i do forget disney are the ones who are wanting spidey back….ahh maybe someday….
Better chance of Sony and Fox working together as a way to balance Disney/Paramount. This way, Spidey can be the lead-in to a re-booted FF and DD cast. It also gives Spidey access to Kingpin.
Spider-Man wasn't conceived as a teeny bopper romance emo love mess. But by "teeny bopper romance emo love mess" I mean it's trashy romance novel like story for young teenage girls. They try to fool people by having Vampires and Werewolves and showing some bad CGI in the comercials, but that's not the focus on those stories. Remember the good old days when those were the evil demon monsters that no one wanted to be? And the guy who got the girl was the human who killed the Vampires and or Werewolf?Look, what I'm saying is Spider-Man was not just window dressing. Peter Parker being Spider-Man was always the central portion of the story. Sure he had some issues in his personal life; but they didn't overshadow the fact that he was a hero. For crap like Twilight, you could easily replace the Werewolves and Vampires with anything. Set it in the 1860s and you could make it the North vs. South, or make it two competing gangs and you got the same story. The focus is the romance….and I am sick of romancebeing the focus. And I'm sick of vampires and werewolves who have been neutered pretty boy dicks who get to be eternally young. What's the downside of that? Why would anyone try to stop them from turing you into one is it means you get to live for ever, be young and still get to walk out in the day?
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