There’s been a trend on the interwebs of sites passing off information that’s been hidden for years – usually stowed away in antique technology like ‘books’ or ‘magazines’ – as news. Who am I to buck the trend? Instead of pretending that this stuff is news I’ll present it to you as interesting bits of info that you may have never learned otherwise. It’s not news, but it’s probably news to you.
In this world, Tim Burton’s first feature film is Pee Wee’s Big Adventure. In another world his first movie out the gate is something quite different: After Hours.
You (hopefully) know After Hours as one of the most underrated Martin Scorsese movies. A surreal, satirical trip through downtown New York City at night, After Hours is one part paranoid fantasy, one part gritty homage to New York and one part weird-ass mindfuck. That it comes from Scorsese only heightens the film’s oddness.
But Scorsese almost didn’t make the film. In fact, if his attempts to get funding for The Last Temptation of Christ had been any more successful at the time, we’d be looking back at After Hours as Tim Burton’s first movie. Burton had come out of the concept art department at Disney Animation with some good friends who helped him get short films, like Vincent and Frankenweenie, made. These films got Burton noticed by Hollywood types, including Griffin Dunne, who was developing a script by a 26 year old Columbia Film School student named Joseph Minion (which was originally called Lies and was heavily lifted from NPR monologues by a guy named Joe Frank. So lifted, in fact, that Frank was apparently paid off).
Before Burton could get far Scorsese came into the project. I’m not sure if he had been involved before Burton and returned or if he came across the script after Burton was already attached (I’ve heard the story both ways), but apparently Burton realized that his best career move was to step away and let Scorsese have the film.
And that turned out pretty well for him, as he went on to do Pee Wee’s Big Adventure more or less immediately. But it’s intriguing to imagine what a Tim Burton-directed After Hours would have looked like. The director wasn’t so ossified in his style at the time, but it’s easy to picture Burton-esque flourishes in that strange story of a mild-mannered office worker getting sucked into the bizarre New York nightlife. Scorsese brings a certain amount of naturalism to the film, even in the more far out scenes, and it’s not hard to see a very different version coming from a young Burton.
In many ways After Hours is a mirror image of Pee Wee’s Big Adventure – characters out of their element on a quest, and it’s like Griffin Dunne and Paul Reubens each walked into the other’s world.
The big question has to be whether a Tim Burton who began with After Hours would be the same Tim Burton who made this weekend’s Alice in Wonderland. Maybe we could have ended up with a better Burton.





17 comments
Sweeney Todd wasn't Burton's first R-rated film; Sleepy Hollow was.
Did you just dis Peewee? Cuz it sounds like you just dissed Peewee…
Don't diss Peewee.
And Scorsese almost did Charlie and the Chocolate Factory at one point. I feel like we would have the same Burton; I'm sure After Hours would have been molded to be more Burton-esque.
I'm really digging this new feature. Keep 'em coming, Devin!
Not to be rude, Devin, but I'm pretty sure they talk about the "Almost Tim Burton" stuff on the DVD. Not really news for those of us who own it. Love this section of the site, however. Maybe a Terry Gilliam in-depth "Watchmen" article is in the future?
I'd rather have seen Scorsese direct Pee Wee's Big Adventure. "You talking to me? You talking to me? I know you are, but what am I? You talking to me? Infinity!"
No, I knew this.
These articles come off so snobby. They should be called 'Devin Knows More About Movies Than You'. It's like I'm stuck at the counter listening to the douchebag clerk prattle on about who was GOING to direct the movie I'm renting, but in the comfort of my own home! I also like that one quote at the beginning….'interesting bits of info that you may have never learned otherwise.' Oh THANK you Devin! Thank you! I would be a lamb lost in the woods without you!
an interesting story about something I'm GLAD didn't happen. Mostly because Burton is so So Cal. That movie is SO New York, to it's core. So Cal does not know dick about New York, and New York knows understands So Cal even less.
I think it would have been softened up and Burton-ised into an out-and-out cartoon, only not as successful as Pee-Wee was. Weird on the Joe Frank stuff – I can kind of see how it could be derived from some form of stand up. @#8: Why the fuck do you come to a movie news site then you stupid piece of shit? You just described the entire dynamic of every movie site on the web.
no, Ed Wood was his first R rated movie
My friend and I are always talking about the Scorsese/DiCaprio and Burton/Depp thing, so it's kinda weird to see this.
Probably wouldn't be as amazing w/o Marty, but would've been fun nonetheless. Greeeeeaat movie.
Face it, Burton's last and best outing was Ed Wood (though I do have mad love for Pee Wee's Big Adventure). The rest of his career is a precipitated shitslide into Hot Topic mediocrity.
"Sweeney Todd wasn't Burton's first R-rated film; Sleepy Hollow was."
No. Ed Wood was.
Thanks for playing.
"They should be called 'Devin Knows More About Movies Than You'." Actually, "Shit Nobody Cares About" is more appropriate.
I'm very certain I've read this on CHUD before, and written by Devin, too. But it's a great factoid. I'd like to see these more often! I would also love to see a Burton remake of After Hours. In fact, wouldn't it be awesome if several directors took a swing at this story? It seems like a film open to so many styles of interpretations.
@#10: not stand-up, more like a short story written for the radio. joe frank is a fantastic storyteller, not too too well known though. people should check him out. after hours is a great film, but the first act almost rips him off word for word. probably cost minion his career.
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