Why is Spider-Man white?
Don’t give me a smart-ass answer like explaining the coloration process of comic books or the heritage of Tobey Maguire’s parents. The question is simple: Why is the character of Peter Parker, the Amazing Spider-Man, a white person?
It’s sort of a weird question, but it’s one that gets right to the heart of how race is approached in popular entertainment, especially in the superhero genre. And the answer is that there’s no reason. Peter Parker’s racial heritage has no impact on his career as Spider-Man, if not for the least reason that his outfit covers every single square inch of his body – he could be Samoan, for all the people of the Marvel universe know.
White and male is the default. It’s the standard setting for characters, especially in popular fiction. In fact, the more people who aren’t white that you put into a comic, book or a movie, the more likely it is that the comic, book or movie will find itself getting marginalized and put into the ‘urban’ section of the store. The more women you put central to a comic, book or movie, the more marginalized that will also become.
White’s just where it starts. It’s not even conscious, I imagine. In fact I bet it’s the other way around – the creation of a black or Hispanic or Asian character (in any popular fiction, but especially superhero stories) probably begins, on some level, with that character’s race. And that’s kind of a problem.
This issue came to a head today when comedian Don Glover started a tongue in cheek campaign on Twitter to get himself cast as Peter Parker in Sony’s Spider-Man reboot. The fanboy world went predictably insane. Like, simply crazy. There were plenty of reasoned voices out there (including some who simply dislike the idea of Glover as Peter Parker because of how they feel about him, and others who were just bemused about the whole situation), but message boards and comment sections erupted with people kind of freaking out. Not over an actual bit of casting news. Not even over a legit rumor. Simply over the conceptual idea – just the idea! – that a black guy could play Peter Parker.
There have been a couple of things I found interesting about this whole mini-tempest in a teapot. One thing that’s fascinating is watching the racism in the hearts of many fanboys rear its head. It’s ugly, and it often shows up, along with homophobia and sexism. I think there are a lot of really progressive, smart and open minded fans of genre entertainment (which makes sense, as the best genre stuff is about seeing the world in new ways, about taking the next step as people and as a species, and about the limitless possibilities around us), but their voices often get drowned out by the regressive, ignorant haters.
Some folks have raised an important point: maybe it isn’t that fanboys are racists, but rather that they’re just painfully Aspergian. After all, fanboy nation shit a brick when the X-Men costumes were changed, and when Spider-Man got organic webshooters. These are people who don’t take well to change, and whose main concern in an adaptation isn’t quality or talent but fidelity – they’d rather have some wrestler in a role because he looks the part than hire an excellent actor who doesn’t quite match up with the drawings. There’s something to be made of that argument, and it is sad to see people so unable to step away from their obsessive interest in something to understand what an adaptation is, or how it works. But I don’t think that’s what’s happening here.
See, it isn’t that Sony has announced they’re hiring Don Glover, or that some site is reporting that he’s in talks. He just kind of jokingly said he’d like to do it. And they blew a gasket. Went ballistic. I’ve been busily deleting hate speech from the CHUD comment section all day, in fact, much of it indicating a deep anger at minorities (we’re talking about the kinds of morons who rail against political correctness, or the sorts of racists who talk about special treatment or ask why not cast a white Martin Luther King, Jr. And those are usually the comments that begin ‘I’m not racist but…’). All over a guy saying he’d like to play the role.
I’m glad they went nuts, though. It’s always helpful to see just how far we haven’t come, although we have come far enough that most racists realize they can’t get away with just being racist (see: The Tea Party). But it also raises a really interesting point for the rest of us to pay attention to, a point that’s right in front of our faces all the time and that most of us ignore:
White is default. That’s just so important to keep in mind, because it tells you so much about who we are as a society, that we still start our characters from that position, unthinkingly. And that’s not even taking into account the white-washing of ethnic characters, like the casting of Jake Gyllenhaal in Prince of Persia. That’s a mishigoss for another day.
Bringing it all back to Spider-Man: Why is Peter Parker white? There really is no good reason, and there’s pretty much no specifically ‘white’ experience that Peter Parker has had that is unique to honkies. A character like Black Panther kind of needs to be black – he’s the king of an ancient African civilization. Luke Cage is a black guy because he’s Harlem’s protector (although keep in mind that neighborhood hues change over time, and in thirty years Luke Cage’s blackness could be just as pointless as Peter Parker’s whiteness). Of course these black characters are black because they are based in their blackness; one of the few black characters in comics whose race isn’t that important is Blade (although I really feel like his origins probably come from some sickle-cell anemia stuff).
So why can’t Peter Parker be black? I honestly couldn’t think of a single thing that we’d have to change in the history of Spider-Man if Peter Parker was suddenly made black. I think that you could change things to reflect a more specific modern black experience, but that would be a choice. It would be an interesting choice, but it would be totally voluntary and I don’t think a black Peter Parker would suddenly have to confront crack in his family to be authentically black. Believe it or not there are plenty of black people on the same economic level as Peter Parker. And there are plenty of black kids as nerdy as Peter Parker.
And Peter Parker lives in one of the most ethnically diverse places on Earth, the New York City boro of Queens. Whites are a dwindling majority, making up about 40% of the population. There are more languages spoken in Queens than anywhere else in the United States, and it’s one of the most linguistically diverse areas in the world. Peter Parker being non-white in the next movie is actually less far-fetched than Peter Parker knowing only white people in the current continuity. Even when I was growing up in Queens twenty years ago it would have been impossible to know only white people, and I’m sure that hasn’t changed. I know the part of Forest Hills where Peter Parker lives, and it isn’t the fancy bit where Art Garfunkel has a house. There are a lot of different ethnicities in the area, and it’s one of the great melting pot neighborhoods.
There’s a flip side to ‘Why is Spider-Man white?’, and it’s ‘Why does Spider-Man have to be black?’ He doesn’t. That’s the thing that people who are freaking out about a black guy wanting a crack at the role are missing. He doesn’t have to be black. It just turns out that Don Glover thinks he’d be a pretty good Peter Parker, and a bunch of people agree with him. There’s a lot about this actor that feels like it would work when he played Parker, with only the most superficial thing – the color of his skin – being ‘off.’ Setting aside all the latter day baggage, imagine if the casting of Wolverine were limited to actors of a certain height; I think that Hugh Jackman made a pretty good Logan in a couple of movies there, and his height didn’t really hold him back. Peter Parker’s whiteness doesn’t define the character, so it shouldn’t define the talent pool from which the filmmakers can choose.
As all of this bubbles away there’s an image in my head that I like – it’s eleven year old Donald Glover reading an Amazing Spider-Man comic and really feeling the Peter Parker character. Just totally understanding this nerdy guy who tries his best to be good but who finds circumstance conspiring against him at every turn. A young guy who can’t catch a break, but who doesn’t let that stop him from doing the right thing. That young Donald Glover is reading that comic and never thinking about how he’s different from Peter Parker, just about how he’s the same. What kind of an asshole wants to tell that kid that he can never be Spider-Man? What kind of asshole wants to tell whole generations of up and coming little black, Asian, or Hispanic nerd kids that they can watch these characters, but they can never be them?
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WHY IS SPIDER-MAN WHITE? Because he is in the comics. Why isn't spiderman a horse? Because he's human in the comics. Why doesn't Spiderman have an incestous relationship with Aunt May? Because he doesn't in the comics. Where does it end?
Well written, Devin. Sadly, it won't be the fanboys that keep Film-Spidey white, it'll be the Sony bean counters.
If a US President and a Hebrew Carpenter can be Black, then by golly so can a Cartoon character…
#donald4spiderman? On a serious note, well written, sir
Great article, Devin.
I think Devin was specifically asking why Spider-Man was white in the comics, so your response is akin to answering it as "because he is" which in a way, proves his point.
E.g. The question "why is spider-man a nerd" can be answered as it being a part of his character, giving him an outsider viewpoint, getting picked on, so knowing what it's like to be oppressed, to a degree, being intelligent, etc. All these things inform his character. The fact that the answer to "why is he white" is "because" simply demonstrates how arbitrary it is. It's like why isn't he blonde? Well, because he isn't. No other reason, it's arbitrary, and anything arbitrary probably should not be a sticking point in defining the character, since it's by definition, irrelevant. If it were relevant in any way, it wouldn't be arbitrary, and if it weren't arbitrary, you'd have a better answer than "because. "
I was not one of the people who railed against a black Parker (although Glover is way off for the role. I mean COME ON Devin), I just think Andrew Garfield is inarguably the best choice from an acting standpoint. But there is something to say for fidelity, and I think you are underestimating the part that plays in the hullabaloo. If they were thinking of casting the chubby Clark Duke in the role I guarantee you the reaction would be pretty negative. I think what a lot of this comes down to is Devin really has no particular affinity for these characters as they were conceived, he's inferred as much in articles where he practically begs for the death of the superhero as a concept, and the tinkering is something that REALLY appeals to him subjectively. The rest of us though grew up loving these characters and never really got over that childhood love. The character cemented itself in our minds as it was conceived by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko, ergo that's the Spider Man we want.
With Spider Man, though, it's even a horse of a different color, as he is so incredibly iconic, alongside with Batman and Superman, sort of the poster children of the ENTIRE concept of the superhero. And with that kind of iconography comes a look, an aesthetic, that has been thrilling you for the entire time you've been a fan. It's just not really fair to fuck with that. And moreover the question is why fuck with it? Unless there is someone so obviously right for a role that it can't be denied, and there is no argument on this Earth that exists that says Glover is that guy, why rattle the cage and 50 some odd years of fandom?
I swear, Devin's gone off the deep end. The Devin's Advocate used to be a really interesting commentary on the film industry. It's now nothing more than a spot he can elaborate on some comment he made in a different article that was made simply to stir up some shit.
It ends at the comics, Speeder. Devin already made the point about 'adaptation'. The new Karate Kid adaptation has nothing to do with karate. Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans was an adaptive play on the license, and had nothing to do with the original movie. Adaptations end with the limitations of the adaptor's imagination, surely. If you so specifically want a white spiderman, stick to the intractable comic images.
because you wont make as much money with the main character being asian black or whatever just look at the highest grossing movies of all time not too much colour in tem sad to say
As much as I disagree with Devin's opinions sometimes, at least he isn't a damned racist scumbag. That makes him better than most people, unfortunately.
Huh…might be the ONLY thing that would make this reboot make any goddamn-frakking-sense at all…
"White and male is the default" — true. "(…) the creation of a black or Hispanic or Asian character (in any popular fiction, but especially superhero stories) probably begins, on some level, with that character's race. And that's kind of a problem" — also true. when I used to write fan fic as a kid, there was a point where I felt the need to include a non-white character, just for 'balance'..
Let's not forget the "guy who plays a Norse god in Thor is black" thing from a couple months ago. I forget who it is…Idris Elba I think? I guess I could just look it up seeing as how I'm on the intertron, but opening another page would take too long, and then I'd be old and out of the Spiderman reboot target demographic.
But who cares if he's white in the comics?
Dammit, Devin, you've been spot on lately. I'll take any color Spiderman as long as he doesn't dance down the street again.
Wasn't there talk way back about Eddie Murphy playing Batman? That didn't go over well either as I recall.
Spiderman can be a gay Chinese hermaphrodite midget for all I care.
The next movie's most likely going to suck either way.
Spiderman isn't black.
Think about it. Peter Parker. Science geek. Gets beat up by jocks. Works part-time. Studies hard to get into a good university. Loves photography. And his uncle was killed in a botched robbery.
Obviously…Peter Parker is Asian!
If anybody with as much socio-economic clout as white dudes with escapist fantasies were ever to start a form of entertainment, that form could be dominated by the predominant force of its creators, starting with their particular ethnicity. White dudes write comics. White dudes, and almost all writers, write what they know. Easy. Sure, not all comic writers are anglo-saxon protestants. Bet the majority of 'em are, though. And I mean since the genere was created, not just these days.
Reading through your editorial, it struck me "Why can't Spider-Man be a girl?" Well, besides the character's name would be Spider-Girl, but isn't it a trumpeted cause for change that not enough young women are interested in becoming scientists like Ditko/Lee's young Peter Parker? Why couldn't Peter be Polly, or Peggy? Wouldn't it make even more sense in a positive change light to turn Peter Parker into a young woman that wants to become a scientist?
Whatever. The real answer to your question lies in the very real nature of most Hollywood action movies to make their leading role a straight white guy. How many asian superheroes are getting their own movies these days, or Indians, or gays?
The same reason it's career suicide right now for a presumably straight action movie actor to come out of the closet and say he's gay is the real reason why Spider-Man is — and will remain — white for a while. It's the safest bet for Hollywood, and they're all about putting their $300 million dollar investment down on the best odds of return.
Ok maybe I was on the wrong end of this, but joke or no joke there was an overwhelming support for Mr Glover, from what I witnessed. I'm for it heck if you want to change it up change it up. Only issue will probably be money, & if Glover can only pull down Ghostrider/Daredevil $$$ then Sony has to reboot again, with a new star.
Only one thing I take issue with: I don't think you can accurately call what happened in PoP "whitewashing" in the sense that they actively tried to make the cast as white as possible to appeal to the whitest possible audience. They took a guy they thought was a big enough star draw and made him and the rest of the cast up to look as "Persian" as possible. There are Persian people who look like Jake Gyllenhaal does in that movie. And while I absolutely get your point, you can't make that statement about Gyllenhaal as a white American and then say that there's no issue with making Spiderman black. They're cut of the same cloth.
Other than that…perfectly stated. I don't know if Glover's right for the role – he's 26 and looks 26 – and I don't even know if he's good enough to deserve an audition – I haven't seen enough of his work – but the conversation of dialing the casting knob of popular characters to a setting other than "Cracker" is long past due. And while I've read some of the blogs/responses and there is some blatant racist trash out there, I strongly believe the Fanboy reaction holds more to a pathetic adherence to the smallest traditional detail than it does to any kind of bigotry.
Peter Parker is Jewish, so he's white but he's not really white.
Dev, I see you're point, and I agree with you. However and its been done before in the animated JLA series, when they made the Green Lantern black. And it worked perfectly. But with the GL they had a little play room, including that there are thousands of Lanterns, but also, GL just isn't an A-Lister. It's different with A-List comic book icons. It has been tried in the past with Superman when the Four "Supermen" arrived after his death (one of whom being black). Batman was replaced by Jean Paul Valley during the Bane arc, and that also went over like a turd in the punch bowl. Nevermind that Spidey debuted in 1962, two years before the civil rights act, or Superman who came out thirty years prior to it. I think what it comes down to is that nearly all of the A-List comic book heroes whether DC or Marvel, are in fact archetypes. Show a kid in Iraq or anywhere around the world a picture of Superman and he is instantly recognizable. Execs wouldn't change him anymore than changing the Mcdonald's arches to red or green.
Let's reboot Blade with Paul Reubens as the lead. Don't worry, Morgan Freeman can play Whistler to even things out. Tell me you wouldn't buy a ticket.
I'm curious, does anyone recall what the fan reaction was to Michael Clarke Duncan being cast as the Kingpin?
I would love to see Don play Spidey, he's definatly a big enough nerd and hilarious, but what about Black Panther? I would much rather see a movie about an actual black character in the interesting fictional Wakandan setting, you know somewhere with a culture outside of North America, than just making a previously white character black. I get what you're saying about the race not being a big deal when he's masked anyways,and not being an integral part to the character, so why make a big deal out of making the character black in the first place?
If Don get's it great, but don't treat it as some win for racial equality.
Why not get a great Black Panther movie. Sorry it's one of my favorite comics, and I would go apeshit if someone made it.
Brilliant piece. To be honest, I initially bristled at the idea until I thought about it and realised I didn't actually have any problem with it. And your article points out why. I hope this inspires the studios to open up the casting in the future.
They've done this already. And it's been put in the mainstream – Nick Fury. Originally a whitey, now a man of color. No uproar. Not front page, anyway. So, there's no reason Spidey couldn't be black. in fact, as long as they are rebootin gthis fucking franchise I would strongly advocate they DO cast someone of color as Parker. If you're gonna reboot, make it interesting and how us something that HASN'T already been done.
@#24 You realized that there is a Black Green Lantern in the comics too right? It wasn't just some arbitrary change or new character. Also, I beg to differ that Lantern isn't a DC A-Lister. The Green Lanterns are a huge part of the DC Universe & DC's lineup in real life.
Devin, great read. I also will say that Peter Parker would be very in character with the overall tone of Spider-Man. Peter Parker is already an outsider. Imagine if he was a non-white teenager in a high school that is mostly made up of white kids. Everyone expects him to be good at sports and like rap music, but instead he's a little nerdy black kid that likes Weird Al.
I think when it comes down to it, race is an important part of some characters. I mean, you can't have a Black Panther that is white. But there is no reason that Peter Parker couldn't be some other race.
Why is Spider-Man white? Oh, I dunno. I guess because that's how Stan Lee and Steve Ditko created him, that's why. Jeez what a pointless article. 'Nuff said.
…honestly, I think people are just complaining because they're fanboys. I'm sure if they made, I dunno, Blade, or Luke Cage, or Storm white, people would piss and moan just as much.
I doubt even a quarter of the people fighting this are actually racist, which sucks for them, because in this day and age, you can't protest a black person cast for a white role without being accused of racist, no matter why you don't like it.
since there's such a rampant racism in spidey fans maybe it's time for another spin-off. i'm thinking "The Awesome Spider-WhiteMan" who wears a confederate flag themed spidey outfit. except for the venom plots…then he'll wear KKK robes, naturally.
I wonder why dont you write about something origiinal instead of looking at what is trending at yahoo. Why isnt spiderman white? because he isnt. Thats the simple and honest reason.
This is a moronic article at best. Why is Spidey white? Because the ICONIC MAN WHO CREATED THE CHARACTER MADE HIM THAT WAY. Keep speaking out about differences in race for every single literary character in history and you'll die alone.
By the way, this article has NOTHING to do with the upcoming cinematic happening, except to spark the controversy. Those propagating the controversy add weight to it, so drop it and let it die the death it should.
It should be Dule Hill.
Devin, this is the best damn article, man. Writing like this is why I keep coming back here everyday, and why I've stopped reading shit like Aint It Cool. Good job, keep it up. I totally am feeling Don Glover as Spider-man, too. What a bold way to reboot the franchise! What a great fucking message for what America's suppose to be. Complaining about a racial change is the same as complaining about webshooters, except you know, while dissing a "minority." I've always thought Captain America should be black, and I like this too. Mostly, I'm just a big fan of Don Glover. He's the only actor that's been mentioned anywhere by anyone that's gotten any kind of reaction from me. Also, this would be the smartest fucking move for Sony. Can you imagine the fucking publicity? The race story with Obama in office, the Michael Keaton comedian-as-superhero angle, the rise of Don Glover, a dude with more charisma than any other fuck up for the role. I doubt the powers that be have the balls to do this, but thank you for having the balls to enthuse about it.
Something I really want to point out is that it seems, at least in America, that the default for a character that isn't white is black. That drives me crazy. I have nothing against blacks, or any other ethnicity, but in the American media, non-black minorities are direly underrepresented. Except in 24, of course. (This is where people try to prove me wrong by being able to name three whole examples.) Whites male might be the default, but black male is – by a wide margin – a secure second place.
Also, Devin, if you want to be racially sensitive, you might want to stop saying 'Asian' in reference to an ethnicity. You'll find both Pakistan and China in Asia, both India and Japan. Saying 'Asian' to mean yellow skinned is convenient and everyone understands exactly what you mean by it, but it's like saying 'North American' to mean white.
Why is Spiderman white? Could it be because, when the character was created, that the main target audience for Spiderman was white and male (not to mention the creators were white and male)? As such, they (the creators and their perceived target audience) would identify most strongly with a white, male character? No doubt there have been heaps and heaps of black, asian or hispanic kids who read comics, but I'd bet the TARGET audience for spiderman back in the day were predominantly white kids. If Spiderman's race were to change now, it would be making a meta political statement, whether intentional or not. People would ask why is he black now? It would create the illusion of a political statement where none exists. To arbitrarily change the race of the character would be a distraction. It may even feel 'token'. Besides, a more pertinent question is, 'Why is Superman white?' The dude comes from another planet, after all.
Dude, please shove the PC shit. Spidey is white in the comics, nuff said.
What's all the arguing about? Spider-Man's already BEEN black:
http://imagehut.net/images/sg4p50edvjp7e0p52y6.jpg
Spider-Man probably has one of the richest histories of any comic character, one of the best supporting casts, one of the best rogue's galleries, and a fantastic dynamic with all of the other heroes in the Marvel Universe. There's so much material to work with, so much to mine from the nearly 50 years worth of history, that a Spider-Man film franchise should be able to write itself and keep itself going for decades. Making him black would be a spit in the face of to all of that, and would be just as much of an out of left field decision as making Superman a deadbeat dad in Superman Returns. Sure, making him black (or any other white character black for that matter) could lead to some interesting stories or interesting takes on things, but are you so fucking bored with the possibilities that are already there, with what made you a fan of the character in the first place, that you want to see something different JUST for the sake of seeing something different and not because it makes any logical sense for the character at all?
i'll gladly take a black spidey if they give him his god damn web shooters for once.
Never mind America. The rest of the world just wouldnt accept a black spiderman which is wrong but just the way it is. At the end of the day Sony want to make money so they will cast a white guy. As long as it isnt Josh Hutcherson who I dont rate at all.
Exactly the point P. Diddy made years ago when he demanded he be given the role of James Bond. Who doesn't think that Bond was meant to be played by a black American rapper?
A lot of people already have a relationship with Spider-Man and Peter Parker that they're comfortable with. They don't want to renegotiate it. Where's the old Peter? they'd ask. And to me, it seems kinda corporate to take a beloved character and disregard his history just to gear him towards another market or demographic. Why else change what's established, successful as it is. I suppose that's exactly what's going on though, isn't it. But no, I don't think today there would be an overriding need for Parker to be white if he were just created.
Great article, Devin. It's too bad ignorance reigns supreme via the internet.
You bring up a good point about Luke Cage, but at the same point its a point I can use against you. Sure Luke Cage at some point might not need to be black, just as much as Parker doesn't need to be white, but try and change a black character to a white and its racist, change a white character to black and its progressive.
Racism still exists because we allow double standards like this. Peter Parker is White, just because he is. Lets let him be white, and lets let Luke Cage be black. What we should be doing is creating more Superheros that aren't white, and aren't defined by their non-whiteness.
Have you ever read a Spider Man comic? Have you heard his geeky white person one liners? Have you ever heard a black person living in the city say anything that suburban. No. You know why? Because that's not how it works. Stereo-types ARE there for a reason and as racist as it sounds, it's true. Peter Parker is as white as it gets. The only whiter super-hero is Captain America. I didn't hear any campaigns like this for say, Tony Stark or Bruce Banner. Why Peter Parker? Because he's the most mainstream there is. Change is not always good.
Racism has nothing to do with people not wanting a black man as spider-man it's because people want him to stay as close to the comics as possible. Would you except a white man as Luck Cage or how about Latino as Superman. None of that shit makes sense.
I didn't mind black kingpin
but if we have "Why can't Spidey be black?"
can't we do "Why can't Spidey be black and gay?"
because there's nothing inherently hetero about Spidey, other than we'd hafta genderswap Mary Jane..
..so let's have a gay black Spider-Man movie.
Wow. That was one of the most desperately pointless articles you've ever shoved out Devin. I know you need to get out A LOT of editorial content per week, but man, that was a huge stretch for an Advocate piece.
Why is Spider-Man white? Demographics. African Americans only make up 14 per cent of the possible demographic for the very expensive to produce movie. If you want more African American Super Hero movie leads, get African Americans to attend movies 5 times as much as Whites. @ asfm…Pakistanis ARE refered to as Asian.
Amazing, smart, to the point and respectful. You understand the issue and you made it *clear.*
What a great, considerate article. Well done, Devin – that last paragraph especially hits home a wholly valid point.
Well, Sam Jackson Nick Fury was nothing like Nick Fury. He was just normal Samuel Jackson. And also, think about a black guy cracking retarded spidey jokes.
I'm fine with a black Spiderman, it's not like being black is going to affect the character at his core. It can still totally be the same Spiderman we all know.
My problem with Glover though: his age. What is he, over 25? I'd really much rather prefer someone who actually looks like they're in high school. I'm not too far in High School and I find it laughable when someone is obviously far too old to play a high school kid (I even had that problem with Maguire). The last time high school was shown well we Superbad. Not everyone looked like they were in their late twenties.
I also don't think Glover has the acting chops required. Sure, he's funny on Community (great fucking show too), but I highly doubt he has much dramatic/serious range. Maguire had that. He had some experience, Glover doesn't.
Just a thouhgt – Blade is black because he is the Daywalker, while the "night"-walkers are predominantly white. It's just an alternative metaphor for the positive and negative/good and evil dichotomy. Also, vampires = rich, privileged, exploitative; anti-vampire = poor, deprived and exploited. Naff political metaphor. Further, vampires = detached from reality, ethereal and lacking soul; anti-vampire = immersed in reality, grounded and soul. Naff social metaphor.
I don't understand @46's comment about changing a character being 'corporate.' Corporations don't rock the boat, and when they do make a change, it's because they're trying to fit in to a mindless trend or make something more appealing—just another form of mainstreaming.
I love Spider-Man comics and I love Peter Parker's character. But the truth is, Donald Glover's casting is the only circumstance under which I would watch the reboot because the reboot is an inherently terrible idea. Not only is Donald Glover a fantastic actor, if you've ever heard interviews with him you know that his high school life was very similar to Parker's: Nerdy, an outsider, from a big-hearted family.
If you have doubts, do yourself a favor and watch him on Community. He plays a part that was originally intended to be white, but his version of the character hasn't been stereotyped to make it more "black." His performance is, in my opinion, race-less and I wouldn't think about the fact that he was black if they didn't have Chevy Chase to make racist jokes.
Who cares what colour PP is so long as Spiderman is always Red and Blue.
We should make a Black Panther movie starring Nic Cage in the lead. This is fucking stupid. If a character was created one way, that should be the template for the character. I just wouldn't "get" or "buy" a black Spider-man. That's on me, sure, and it's not racist of me, but it's not the Spider-Man I know and it would certainly be as jarring to me seeing that as I would be to see, say, Tiny Lister as Thor.
Since you had my first post denied I'll try again. Why do you always seem to think black = better? I've read this site for years and you've got a lot of white guilt. It's alright man your fat ancestors didn't do anything wrong. I'm only a quarter white, the rest being cherokee but even I recognize when something is pointless. How about a black Superman? Or just for you James "Tyrone the Bone" Tiberius Kirk? I've asked just about everyone I know about this and while most were like, "WTF man?" The rest, majority asian, said it was a stupid idea or…make him chinese. When I asked why they all said because he's a nerd. Your "amusement" at how backward and "racist" anyone that disagrees with you is typical Devin. Get over yourself and write about movies not social commentary. You could be a hell of a writer if you got over whatever it is that makes you such a bitter cynic.
I'll give Devin credit for bringing up the fact that the controversy has more to do with fanboys wanting fidelity to the way its always been then racism but I think it has more to do with that fact then he does. I mean… noone thought people had a problem with guys who had blues eyes and blonde hair when Daniel Craig was cast as James Bond but people did have a problem with it. "BOND"S NOT BLONDE!!" was all over the place on the internet at the time.
If Wilson Fisk, the Kingpin, and Nick Fury can be portrayed as black in the movies without much hoopla why hate on a Spider Man of color?
Peter is white because he was created in the 60s. The life of a white kid and the life of a black kid weren't as similar as they are now, and Stan Lee being a white guy (Jews are kinda white) himself could draw on his own experiences as a teenager better when writing a white character.
If he was created NOW, there would be no difference if he were white or black.
And just because people don't want a black guy to play a white character doesn't mean they're racist. If they made Peter a girl and named her Patricia and people got upset would you call them sexist?
#46 . . . so what's the accepted term if "Asian" doesn't work anymore? Should we go back to "Oriental"?
Faraci Web Marketing: Bringing you, the customer, web hits anyway we possibly can. Have you ever considered classin' up yoh website with some beautiful mahbul cahlums? Okay, back on topic, I really like the sentiment from #20 about making Spiderman into Spidergirl. Devin didn't see fit to put this as a possibility in this advocate but I hope he does a follow-up addressing the much more interesting possibilities of changing gender for Spidey.
Spider-Man could easily be black. Maybe not this kid in particular, but it doesn't rule out a darker-skinned dude donning the blue-and-red tights. Race has absolutely no bearing on the tale of Peter Parker and Spider-Man. A dude gets bit by a spider, has gizz-spewwing abilities because of said bite and fights off a cornucopia of criminals. What I want to know is why does AUNT May and UNCLE Ben have to be so damn old?! Aunts and uncles are your parents sisters and brothers, and if Peter Parker is supposed to be in high school, why does he have an aunt and uncle receiving social security? Sony is rebooting a franchise that they fucked up, but as we all know, they're determined to make no creative improvements or additions. Black Peter Parker, younger Aunt May and Uncle Ben, and a for-real hottie as Mary Jane. Dunst looked like she had smoked too much Mary Jane before every scene she taped. Also, the Tea Party comment was incredibly gay. If you're trying to be Nunziata, you failed. He needs no help grinding his personal Mendoza Line.
I remember arguing with a friend a few years ago after saying that I believe Gina Torres would make a fabulous Wonder Woman considering how well she played Zoë in FIREFLY and SERENITY, exhibiting almost all of Diana's considerable character traits (as well as being quite attractive). He of course went nuts, but could give no reasonable answer for why she "had" to be white beyond "she is white". It is a narrow-minded viewpoint at best, and completely applicable to what Devin is getting at here concerning the possibility of Spider-Man being a minority. The knee jerk responses are telling of what lies behind the masks so many wear in public, and sadly shows our childlike dedication to seeing minorities as Other to our morally-high grounded Self. Disappointing.
For once I agree with every word in a Faraci article. Well played sir.
BTW, we're all black. Fight the power.
Fidelity is the main reason that Peter Parker should be white in the next movie.
That being said, a point that Devin is missing is that the character of Peter Parker has experienced things through a white POV. To alter his race, even for a reboot, would be to alter the character's experience through and through. A black Spiderman isn't the travesty that some are making it out to be. The issues that stem from fidelity are valid in that a Spiderman who has to deal with being ostracized for being a nerd would also then have to have racism piled on top of that and it's something that white movie-goers (such as myself) probably wouldn't relate to. You would fundamentally change the character, the character's experiences and exploits because you'd be viewing them through a different lens. Spiderman would then become a parable about always being accepted no matter what (themes that are more relevant, I feel, to the XMen) than about nice guy gets the girl and learns the value of sacrifice and heroism.
There'd be a disconnect on a very basic level that would, ultimately, injure the bottom line. That's not to say that a black Spiderman wouldn't find an audience, but I don't think that it's something that Sony would want to risk. And there's just something to be said for sticking to tradition in these matters.
I always thought the nicest thing about Spidey was that when he had his mask on, any man of any race could be underneath. I never really gave two shits about Peter Parker's trifles and what not, Spidey was the reason I was reading it. I think that's what made him so popular, when you were reading it, you could picture yourself behind the mask. Moving on…
I am stunned. More PC twaddle from Devin.
Glover is simply too old to play Parker.
All of the Marvel fanboys here who are against Spider-man being black because it would be "some political statement" are missing the point. Devin isn't necessarily advocating Don Glover as Peter Parker as a statement, but because he thinks he's right for the part. People like you are the reason I buy my comics on-line, and why my fellow instructors think my research area is a waste of time.
And no, a black Spider-man and the "white washing" of Prince of Persia are not the same. Don Glover would play Spider-man because he's right for the part; Jake Gyllenhal, et al. were hired for Prince of Persia because the studio needed white movie stars to draw in a big enough audience for a tentpole picture. One's racist. One is not. Haven't any of you people seen Tropic Thunder?
This whole talkback reminds me of Aziz Ansari's stand up bit – when he talks to the white interviewer that asks him if he's excited about Slumdog Millionaire because he's Indian, and then wonders if white people get excited every time they see other white people on screen, shouting "that's us!"
Who cares? It's friggin' Spider-Man for crying out loud. You don't hear this much bitchin' when somebody makes changes to a Hemingway adaptation.
that might be pretty cool. i actually don't care what he looks like, as long as he has the same character as he does in the comics. honestly, it can't be any worse than tobey's interpretation.
the reason he's white? because he was created by repressed jewish men. that's the reason.
don't worry, though… it'll never happen. established franchises just don't change in any meaningful way. remember all the flack daniel craig got for saying he thought james bond would exploit men as well as women? objectification is fine, just so long as it only swings the one way. why? because the character is seen as a heterosexual icon, beloved for too long to undergo any meaningful change.
this is so unnecessary…just like Don Glover.
It didn't work with Santa Clause; it ain't gonna work with Spider-Man. But the real question we should be asking ourselves is why is DEVIN white?
Why not Ryan Phillippe for Luke Cage!? Paul Bettany for the Black Panther?! Let’s recast Rhodey for Iron Man 3 with Josh Lucas or Luke Wilson perhaps? Don’t sign this off to the “hater” train ‘cause Chiwetel Ejiofor, Don Cheadle & Terrence Howard are some of my favorite actors of all time. Just look at the photoshopped pic of the Community star! He looks ridiculous, regardless of the bullcrap momentum that is growing on this story for the shear sake of producing interest in talkbacks & hype alone. In a world where Karate Kid(Karate is Japanese)takes place in China, I think we should get the original Nick Fury in the first Captain America film. You seriously gonna’ tell me Sam Jackson is not going to stand out like sore finger lickin’ thumb in that one(The First Avenger: Captain America)? He’s about a shade above ridiculous in the first two Iron Man films(which I do love). He doesn’t even have the physicality that Nick Fury should have, especially when you think of what that character has been thru.
Give me a Black Panther film with Chiwetel Ejiofor! Give me a Luke Cage with Michael Jae White(the guy who was Spawn & Gamble in TDK)! Why? Because it’s visually & sensibly accurate, thus not taking you out of the story; the point of a good film, eh? Next thing you know Warners will try to make OA turn the power battery red because green is surprisingly not a marketable color, or some crap like that. The new Green Lantern: Red Lantern, starring Ninja Assassin’s Rain! Really people? The world of demographics that control our entertainment.
OK, these will never be read, but I'm responding anyway.
Spider-man was created in 1962 by a man of Jewish heritage. Stan Lee had to change his name to work in the culture during his time. A guy named Stanley Leiber writing comics? Worked for Seigel and Shuster, but then again they created teh superhero genre and were penniless. It was a different time, and we have progressed. Spider-Man was created white because it was the ideal, the centerpiece of American culture. Smart and white, with a WASP-y name even. Kids grew up reading Spider-Man white, and filmmakers wanted to tell the stories they imagined as children. Raimi did not imagine his Spider-Man black because he wasn't presented that way. James Cameron, Alvin Sargent, the whole lot of them. The desire to make a movie of the classic Spider-Man is done, we can move on. A revision wouldn't be looked down upon.
Someone brought up Nick Fury in Avengers and "no one was outraged" That's because he was already revised for the Ultimates line, and the outrage was there. Peter Parker has been a woman, Asian, black, and Skrull in different interpretations over the years. But why is Spider-Man white. Peter Parker as a character, classicly white? Because no one would have read that book in 1962 if he were black. That was why we changed as a culture, we were disgusted with our selves. He have moved on, but Peter Parker transcended race relations, he became a mythological character, in the minds of many a nerd for years. We are still moving from where we were over 40 years ago. We'll get there, but Spider-Man was an unfortunate product of our past.
While it would be nice to take the, "Fuck you, not-white people, Spider-Man's white because he IS and there's nothing you can do about it!" dipshits to task, that'd be fairly contrary to the last paragraph of Devin's article, which is a thing of beauty. Donald Glover's a smart, funny, talented actor who'd play Peter Parker well, and bring the classic smartass Spider-Man to life on the big screen in a way Tobey completely failed to do. If you have a problem with that just because he's black (if you think he's too old, or not a good actor, that's an opinion to which you're certainly entitled), then fuck you. You have almost 50 years of comics and plenty of hours of TV, film, and video games with a white Spider-Man. Go enjoy those; the rest of us will hope that Don Glover gets a shot. #donald4spiderman (On a side note, how come no one's brought up the Japanese TV adaptation of Spider-Man where he had a giant robot? It's been over 30 years since a localized take on Spider-Man appeared; how is this even a thing?)
I would not mind at all if Spider Man was black – but I would LOVE him to smooch a redhead and a blonde Mary Jane Watson / Gwen Stacy, both white. Just because we NEED more of these – for me, the true measure of the racism in movies.
Oh cut the Maudlin crap. Spider Man was conceived as a white character, case closed. People just want to vouch for Donald Glover in spite of the fact people are obviously convinced this is a stupid ploy. Spider-Man is white because he was created that way. The end. Anyone behind this idea of Donald Glover as Spider-Man are really just out of their minds.
I know Peter Parker has always been white, but didn't we already get a black spidey in the last movie? ha ha ha har har eh whatever. But anyways wouldn't the fact that Parker is a white nerdy boy in today's Queens make him even more of an outcast and an outsider?
I think the reason that Spider-man is white is because the guys that created him are white. Most writers write characters that are like them and most artists draw people that are like them. White writers write white characters. Black artists draw black characters. I'm a writer and an artist and when I was young, I noticed that I always drew white people and I wondered why. The conclusion I came up with was that I was white, so I drew white people. Then, I looked at other artists and saw that white artists usually draw white people, black artists usually draw black people, asian artists usually draw asian people, hispanic artists usually draw hispanic people, native Americans usually draw native American people, ect. You create what you know. Most people that work in the American comic book industry are white (especially back in the olden days), hence most comic book characters created by them are white. Yet, in Japan, most comic book characters are Japanese. Why? Japanese comic creaters are Japanese. Tyler Perry writes movies about black people because he's black. Woody Allen writes movies about rich, pretentious Manhattanites because he is a rich, pretentious Manhattanite. I think that people just normally create characters that they themselves identify with. The reason why most American sci-fi characters are white is because sci-fi is written by nerds and most American nerds are white. Ask a black guy to create a comic book character off the top of his head, and I'd bet money that the character he creates will be a black guy. Ask a Jewish girl to create a comic book character of the top of her head and you can bet that the character she creates will be a Jewish girl. (Incidently, after my realization, my portfolio became much more ethnicaly diverse)
Well, I can safely say Devin is NOT a racist, just an elitist. There is no reason the character is white outisde of that's how he was created. There was no racial agenda in the creation of Peter Parker, the fact that some are trying to invent one now is just a sign of the times. Bunch of racial nonsense and elitist doublespeak, get a life.
Why does wanting to keep a character white make you a racist? let's go a step further, who not make Spidey an Asian? You could go on and on. Sometimes, things are the way they are, stop bitching about it. You're not a better person because you act like you wouldn't "care" if he weren't white. Makes you self important.
As great as Don is, I'd prefer him not to be part of some sort of misguided stunt-casting so a bunch of PC Weekend Warriors can feel better about themselves. Spiderman, the brand, isn't as bulletproof as people think. We were very lucky to get the successful interpretation we did via McGuire and Raimi. Sony is now only looking after it's option on the property for it's merchandising interests. So any "artistic" (and accusatory) discussion about whether Peter Parker represents a race or a socio-economic background is just so much blogger-level wankery. But then you know that don't you Devin.
dumbest article ive read here in a long time.
why are stan lee and jack kirby and steve ditko white?
Do the fanboys even understand the difference between character and physical appearance? Character is who the person 'is'. You can change the physical appearance of a character without changing who he 'is'. If you made the character overweight, he wouldn't be as agile, probably perishing when he can't see the pumpkin bomb that landed on his foot. If he was handicapped, well it would look creepy for spidey to crawl on the celing dragging his dead legs behind him. If he were a girl, he would be a she, and she would be spider girl, diferent character. If he were black, well, he would be black. So what?
Peter Parker had to be white. Because at the time that Lee and Ditko created him, there would have been a huge uproar for a black man to be having "relations" with white women like Mary Jane Watson and Gwen Stacy.
Devin, I can appreciate your thought process here but sometimes things don't need to change. Case in point the steaming, vile, horrible pile of dog shit called The Honeymooners (2005). Taking a "creative license" to the iconic characters of Jackie Gleason and Art Carney and "updating" them with Cedric the Entertainer and Mike Epps was both horrific and idiotic. Anyone want to watch a White version of Shaft? Let's do The Good, The Bad and The Ugly with an Asian “Man With No Name”. How about a Chinese Ash in a remake of Evil Dead? Maybe we could reboot Patton and cast Samuel L Jackson in place of George C Scott? Wait…wait, I got it. We can cast Cuba Gooding Jr. as Rick Blaine, Salma Hayek as Ilsa Lund, Richard Gere as Victor Laszlo and Danny Devito as Captain Renault. Come on…who’s in? Anybody? Probably not.
Change for the sake of change isn't a good thing. History is replete with change that is for shit (insert your worst president/politician/religion jokes here). Changing the character, no matter how small, changes the dynamic of that character. I hated the "organic" web crap that Raimi put in his version. That one small change took away the entire science and chemistry background from Parker, as well as the fact that the Spider-Man character used his intelligence to get out of trouble as much as his brawn. Totally gone…lost because of a slight change to a character. Change isn’t always bad, but sometimes it’s just not necessary. Besides, I would venture to say that most people don’t like it when you fuck with an icon.
Stop censoring message boards. I want to read what everyone has to say.
why is spider-man white? simple, he was created by stan lee who spearheaded the neo-nazi movement of the 1920s.
Peter Parker is white because he was created in a different era. Peter Parker is white because his creator is white. Peter Parker is white for the same reason Tyler Perry's characters are black.
Spiderman came around in a time when it was a white man's country. That is not racist; it's a simple fact. The character made its first appearance in '62. The modern incarnation of the Civil Rights Act wasn't even signed in until '64. How popular do you imagine a black Spiderman would have been with the majority of white kids back then—the majority race in the country thereby the majority of comic book consumers?
Today, there's no reason Spiderman has to be white. It's a different country. I would like to see them mix it up. But these characters are all white because they were created by white people in a time when characters had to be white. I don't know how much you write, Devin, but I'd bet that if you sat down aiming to write a piece of popular fiction, you're main character would be white, because that's what you are and that's what you know.
As I have no real affinity for the character and it sounds like this movie is going to be a train wreck, anything they can do to make Spiderman more interesting is a good idea.
I simply couldn't agree more, anxious to pass this article around Devin!
While most of the article comes of as baiting (which Devin is a master of…), I really like that last paragraph.
Spiderman is white, get over it. So is Superman and Iron Man. That is just the way it is and it is part of white culture. Yes, we have a culture and roots too. Stop trying to destroy/dilute/steal our white culture. Minorities are not the only ones who are allowed to have a culture they are proud of. Spiderman played by a black man would be like a movie about MLK or Shaft or Fat Albert played by a white guy, it just doesn't work.
Did you actually correlate Blade's origin to sickle cell? Really? Wow…
Okay, acknowledging that this is just a silly (anti)intellectual exercise, and is in no way related to anything that might actually be happening in any upcoming Spider-Man film, there are other things to consider if you want to change the race of a popular character. For instance, is Peter Parker the only character you're race-swapping? Spider-Man has a large supporting cast, some of which are actually black. Are any of them changed as well? Say you're doing a teenage Peter Parker in a high school setting, where he has no friends, the girls mock him, and the jocks abuse him. If all those characters are still white suddenly the scenario carries a lot of racial baggage that wasn't originally intended. It may be interesting to address it, but is a Spider-Man movie really the appropriate place for that? The alternative is to make make characters like Flash Thompson and Liz Allen black as well, which changes the concept from "Color-Blind Spider-Man Movie" to " Black Spider-Man Movie". Either approach has it's problems.
Now say you're doing college Peter Parker, swinging back and forth between sweetness and light Gwen Stacy and party girl Mary Jane. Are they both still white? Color blind Spidey would mean that they are. You'd just have to go into this knowing that you'd be throwing the black female audience out the window, as they do not tend to be fans of that sort of thing. Or do you make either Gwen or MJ black but keep the other white? If you think about that, either scenario brings up some complicated racial issues that you may not want to deal with in a fun family movie. Or do you make both MJ and Gwen black as well? That's the easiest out, but again you're getting away from the color-blind ideal. Maybe there's a younger Eva Mendes out there who can play both parts, so everybody;s happy.
Here's an interesting one—is J. Jonah Jameson white? Most of Peter's scenes with Jonah involve the blowhard Daily Bugle Publisher screaming at and berating him for some real or imagined goof-up. Which then prompts (black) editor Joe Robertson to stick up for him. If Jonah's white and Robbie and Peter are black, it makes Robbie the black guy sticking up for the black kid against the abusive white guy. And with the Jonah treats Peter normally, if he were black it would be difficult not to raise the "R" word about that treatment. Which would be a little unfair to Jonah, whose character has been established as everything BUT a bigot.
Now, the big one—is Aunt May white? She could still be technically, but it's probably simpler if she isn't . The problem this raises is with May's late husband, the man Peter adored and dedicated his life to avenging—Uncle Ben. Having an old black guy named Uncle Ben appear, or even be referred to in a movie is going to get laughs. That would be a problem, and although it's possible to do a movie where the character is never referred to, you do the franchise a disservice by leaving out the main part of Spider-Man's motivation.
So yeah, changing the race of the character does change things. Which you can deal with by adapting the world around him to fit, or you can deal with the issues that are brought up by the change head-on. What you can't do is parachute in a black Peter Parker while keeping everything else the same and ignoring the room elephants that are going to appear with almost every character interaction. There's color-blind, and then there's willful ignorance. And acting like Peter getting bullied by white jocks, dating two white women, and having an Uncle-Freaking-Ben doesn't raise any issues— is the latter.
There has been a deficit in racial understanding in America (and I'm sure in other countries) and it's only getting wider. The people who say "Spider-Man is white because he was created white and we shouldn't mess with that" are NOT necessarily racist, but they definitely are racially ignorant. It's very, very common and the only thing we can do is hope they learn something about race some day.
Next Spiderman should be a robot…but now, should he be a white or black robot?
Ahh….such difficult decisions ahead of us, life isn't fair.
Regarding the whitewash of Prince of Persia, and ignoring the central question (I'd be interested in seeing a black Spider-man):
There are three "great races" of humans: caucasoid, negroid, and mongoloid.
The Caucasoid peoples are usually divided into three subraces on linguistic grounds: Aryan, Semitic, and Hamitic.
The Semitic races include Arabs, Jews, etc.
The Hamitic races are more blurred, but include non-Semitic races like ancient Egyptians.
The Aryan races include Europeans, Mediterraneans and, most pertinent here, the Persians.
So, in effect, Persians are of the same racial group as "white people".
Jake Gyllenhaal is, in fact, half-white and half-Jewish. In effect, he's less "white" than a Persian.
Ben Kingsley is half-Indian, half-English.
Alfred Molina is Italian-Spanish. Gemma Aterton is English.
The concept of white-washing is in the eye of the beholder. A few decades ago, having an Italian/Spaniard in your film would be exotic and ethnic. Now they're just considered white.
It's all vague and based on individual notions of what "white" is or what races are or whether someone feels slighted, whether logic supports that feeling or not.
Then they came for the Jews, and I said nothing. Them they came for Spiderman and I said nothing…
The fact of the matter is Spidey has been white for like fifty years now. It's done. It's fact. A little late in the game to go changing. This is almost as stupid as erasing his marriage with a Mephisto deal.
Funnily enough, Dan Slott made a joke about Spidey's ethnicity in She-Hulk a few years back. Spidey is trying to sue J Jonah Jameson for all the bad press over the years and what's the first thing he says on the stand? "Is this because i'm black?", causing JJJ to pitch a fit and swear he's not racist. Funny stuff.
Devin you're such a hypocrite: "I think there are a lot of really progressive, smart and open minded fans of genre entertainment, but their voices often get drowned out by the regressive, ignorant haters." That could describe half of the kneejerk, whiny things you write.
I'm no racist, but a black Spider-Man would have made that elevator scene in SPIDER-MAN 2 way scarier.
Also, I'm a racist.
I usually disagree with you, Devin. The articulation is there, but your opinions and mine are seldom in the same room. But here, I was completely in agreement. I think they should be looking at the actor, and what he can bring to the role, not the color of his skin. The story has nothing to do with it. Everyone seems to think racism has gotten better until something like this comes up. I say, let the best Peter Parker win, he's going to be in a suit half the movie anyway.
We need to put an END to racism. I say "love your brother." Well I don't literally say it. Because that would be gay. And if there's one thing I want to end as badly as racism, it's the acceptance the world has for faggotry.
First of no one can EVER be them!
and second.. think about the year that the character was made in, 1962, and think about the person who made it, a white person, take no offense on what im saying, but im just saying, think about in what time the character was made and think about who made the character, superman is white, batman is white, wolverine is white, so is spiderman, why? my answer would be because of the time that these characters were made in, think about it, in 1962, they make an epic character named spiderman, and he takes of his mask, and its a black guy, how do you think people will react to that in the year 1962? they will basically not only trash the comic book but also trash the maker of the comic along with the character. im all for spider man being black, im okay with that but its to late to change that. and it would also be weird, but it would be interesting, its new york, spiderman is black, it fits… but thats not going to happen.
ok i take back what i just said up there, because i just read an article where Donald Glover might be Spider Man.. so yea, never mind on the part where i said its not going to happen lol.
but the part of the time that spider was made in, is pretty much the reason why the character was made into a white person.
Black Spider-Man? Hell no. Black Hulk? Hell muthafucking YES.
It's probably been mentioned, but just in case it hasn't…. I always love the argument about "Why not get a white guy to play MLK Jr?" when we already had a white guy play Gandhi. Also, white is default do to the majority readers, majority people, etc… Not defending it, but just agreeing it's really not racist, just saying…. My opinion doesn't really matter anyway
I am the "asshole" that wants to tell a black kid that he can never be Spider-Man because he doesn't look like Spider-Man. I also would have liked to tell Michael Clarke Duncan that he should not be Kingpin because he does not look like Kingpin. We all know that comic-book, film and TV characters were once essentially all white and we all know why. This has obviously changed, for the better. Do we really need some type of affirmative action for iconic comic characters?
io9 wrote this same article last week.
Excellent article, Devin. It's amazing how these issues seem to come round and round in the fandom community. Anyone remember fan backlash in 1994 over speculation that Beyonce would be cast as Lois in the new Superman movie? Or that Ford Prefect would be played by Mos Def? I wrote my own article at the time. You can read it here if you care to: http://deflipside.com/?p=910
But as has been stated before, it won't be fans that put the kybosh on a black PP; it'll SONY's marketing department.
While the "white default" character brings up a really really important point, I think everyone is freaking out over something incredibly unimportant anyway- i.e. a comic book character in a shitty reboot movie. It's SPIDER-MAN, not Moby Dick. It isn't literature. It's a guy dressed in pajamas jumping around buildings. They already made 3 films about it. Why not cast a black guy? Who cares? It's not important in any way forever. Cast a dog. Cast a rock. It's fucking comic books. Seriously.
And also, I know you were making a point about racists and their excuses, but political correctness is total bullshit. i realize racists use it as a crutch for their racism and completely misinterpret if you agree with them on this point, but it is in fact complete horseshit that's stunted cultural progress in the U.S.
Why is Spider-Man white? Why is Devin hairy? THERE IS NO ANALYSIS NEEDED FOR THESE QUERIES, PEOPLE!!!
Why is Spider-Man white? Why is Devin hairy? THERE IS NO ANALYSIS NEEDED FOR THESE QUERIES, PEOPLE!!!
Holy crap, are there people actually arguing there aren't nerdy black kids? They're not exactly uncommon. Every online nerd probably knows at least one black person without realizing it, because they've never seen that person's face and s/he doesn't act like a fucking ridiculous ghetto stereotype.
Why is batman white or superman or the hulk or any other white super hero why should there be a need to make spider man white? He has been white for years why change the charter whom has been around since before you or I was born to reflect a modern time. How about just because in the comics and marvel is trying to make an accurate representation of the comics in light of a n avengers film. There is also always the point why fix what isn't broken.
woah woah woah wait a minute.I have read this entire article devin and there's one thing I need to know…..
are you trying to tell me wrestlers can't fucking act???
I guess you have never seen santa with muscles.
When I first saw the tweet that Glover "wanted" to be Spider-Man (does he really want the role, or is he having fun with the comic book fans), my first thought was "that's different." After thinking about his work as an actor, and the personality he's portrayed through his work, I think that he's be a PERFECT Peter Parker. The only question I can think of is if he has the action chops to pull off a super hero, and that's something we don't really know yet. No doubt he's got the personality to be Peter Parker, though.
My thought regarding this 'Advocate' (besides how frustrating it is to remember the inherent racism thriving in America), is a) why aren't there more minorities creating comic book characters, and b) if there are why aren't they creating minority main characters? Why is Scott Pilgrim white? I realize the Canadian thing about his character, and understand the stereotype of the white Canadian, but he could just as easily be Asian (instead of the obsessed ex-girlfriend Knives), or any other minority. Why is Kick-Ass white (getting beat up by Puerto Ricans, no less)?
The truth, I suspect, is because white sells, and there really hasn't been much minority characterization that has broken into the mainstream for companies, editors, producers, or aspiring creators to justify taking the gamble on a minority main character/super hero that isn't in and of itself a racists caricature
Isn't it a storm in a teacup? Is the outrage, real or exaggerated, of comic book fans on the internet enough to graduate to a tempest in a teapot?
Peter Parker is WHITE for the same reason Aang is ASIAN. That's simply the way he was created. I wish Don Glover would realize that by starting this ridiculous campaign of "we can easily change the race of this established characters!", he is actually going AGAINST what the racebending movement has been working so hard to prove–that a character should be portrayed in movies true to its creation. Saying that we should randomly change a white character into a black man is no better than Paramount's decision to change an Asian boy into a white boy. This guy's so into his own satirical internet campaign he's stomping all over more noble causes to do it. Shame on him.
The default race for most of these characters is white, because that is the race of their creators and the authors who write them today. Western civilisation has only recently begun entering an era of "post-race" where there is a paradigm of racial equality (although it's important to remember that there is a massive distinction between "equality" and "sameness"). To suggest that you could simply change his skin colour and nothing else about the character is naive. People who suggest this are really just saying that they want Peter Parker to be a white guy with black skin. By making him black, it becomes a different story, because the story of white people and black people are different. If you want to rail against white and male being the default condition in comics and film, then perhaps you should be calling for more black artists and authors having their voices heard. That'd be affirmative action, I suppose, and your mileage on that concept may vary. In short – white folks and black folks may be equal, but not the same. And if you're going to change something like that about a character, why not just create a new character that fits the aspirational goals of minority kids? BTW, regarding the much lauded last paragraph – did young Barack Obama look at the achievements of his hero, Abraham Lincoln, and assume that he couldn't be that?
(#29, Finky) – Next time you use an example, do the research. Nick Fury was a black guy in Ultimates series. They used Sam Jackson as the character basis in the comic.
This isn't about race, it's about sticking true to the intent of the comic. Not everything is about racism. Yes, anyone can petition to be whoever they want… but dream on if you think it's unfair that they don't cast a non-white male to be Spider-man.
Can you imagine Superman played by an Asian actor? That's NOT Superman. Can you imagine Blade the Vampire hunter played by a White actor? Of course Not, he's a Black Vampire hunter in the comic.
There was already enough gripe when Wolverine was cast.. Hugh Jackman, who looks like Wolverine, but he's a LOT taller than the comic book character. This was already pissing a lot of the fanboys off.
Btw, a few years ago, when Superman movie was being made.. the producers had a "great" idea to pick the most popular actor to play Superman at the time… and it was Will Smith. Guess what Will Smith said? "I wouldn't look anything like the comic book character." At least he has some common sense for rejecting the role.
So ya, it's not always about racism, it's about sticking true to the character. Lastly… how about this.. they did a movie showing President Obama's Presidency, played by… let's pick someone.. how about Megan Fox. Yes Megan Fox is great eye candy, but guess what, she's not Black, She's not a guy, and she's not 30+ years old. So Stick to the ORIGINAL.
So, 126 comments aside, I think Don Glover would be perfect. Yea, the skin color is off, but the heart is right.
I think you nailed it down right in the first part of your article. Most comic book fanboys HATE change of any sort. If the movie version of a character ends up getting even slightly changed in a superficial way, a certain group get outraged. We're talking about things like a character being the wrong height or having a different hair style than the comic. The example you gave of Jackman being too tall for a traditional Wolverine is dead on, people DID bitch about that. If you remember back to when that movie was first being promoted, fanboys were losing their shit saying how Jackman was going to suck as Logan and would never pull off the character's look (following by a lot of sub-idiotic "They should have cast Danzig!" remarks). So when a film maker decides to conceptualize a character in a superficially different way, like I think you credibly argue Peter Parker's race is to the character of Spider Man, people flip out. The same people got pissed off about Sam Jackson playing Nick Fury, but they got over it pretty quick and moved on to the standard complaint that Jackson's performance never varies between films. There are plenty of things I think you're dead wrong about Devin, but I agree with you on this point wholeheartedly.
POST 125 hit the nail on the head more than anyone else, well said whomever you are.
Don't stop there. I really think that Spider-Man should be a child-soldier from vietnam who was transported to a conuntry in even worse trouble due to globlization and the evil capatalist machine. Maybe he should be a boy for the first year and have a homosexual relationship with another awkward boy and we can make him a girl next year so she can be a lesbian. Or maybe they can be abused to excuse them from being a criminal. Or maybe you can try to let entertainment be what it is and what the people want and finaly realize the more you spread your propaganda through the funny papers the less and less people will take you seriously.
There are a lot of things that need fixing. But if life is a barbecue bitching about the design on the napkins isn't going to stop the steaks from burning.
TLDR: Devin get back to the excellent articles about film. This political platforming is really putting off some of your readers.
There was an Indian Spider-man comic. If the idea can adapt itself to a whole different culture that isn't American at all, why can't colorblind casting exist for the original incarnation?
Having just watched "Mystery Team" last night, I have no doubt in my mind that Don Glover is capable of anything. That movie is seriously hilarious on many levels. I really wish I'll be able to see it on a big screen in a packed house because that will enhance it even more. Seriously though, SEE IT!
This being said, I think that the only flaw with Glover playing the role would be that once the Spidey mask is on, Glover would be robbed of his most notable skill, mugging(not robbing people you assholes, but creating comedy with his face). His mugging skills are excellent, and if he were cast to play Spidey, I'd hope he could translate some of his facial humor into full-body language humor. Then again, since most of the scenes involving a costumed Spidey will be CGI, it would probably make no real difference.
Hell, I'm down with casting Glover just to spite the racists!
I see a lot people saying things like, "Don't stop there, let's change everything about his character," and that's not what Devin is talking about at all. He's making the point that race and character have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other and the two should be interchanged freely, especially when Peter Parker comes from one of the most ethnically diverse areas in the world. To equate changing Peter Parker's skin color with changing his entire back-story and history is entirely preposterous, and quite frankly, racist. I'm looking at you, comment #130. You're a racist.
Christ Almighty (BLACK MAN) – you already got Nick Fury AND The Green Lantern….sometimes…Where the hell does it end!??
Devin, you treated this subject seriously, so I will also. First, the statement that the marvel universe sees Spiderman as color neutral is incorrect. Spiderman lost his mask in the Civil War. Also, you'd overlook the clone arcs. Second, Spiderman goes back to time when the heroes were mostly white (looking- Superman is really just an alien that looks like a white man). Third, nothing stops anyone from reimagining a Marvel character. They do it all the time. Blonde hair. Black hair. Younger. Older. The reason why Donny Glover won't be recast as Spiderman is probably more an issue of money than anything else. Comic fanboys would go anyway, but the general public has a vague notion of that they think Spiderman is from the Electric Company, to the Obama issue, and that is a little scrawny white kid. It's really not likely that a Saturday superhero will be recast and even if it worked (and it could) the public may just not get it or want to see it. You'd be better off with new characters like Spawn, Green Lantern, even the newer cooler version of Cage. Finally, Marvel was on the front lines of the homosexual issue. Look at what date they had Northstar come out and look where the main media was on the issue back then… you stand corrected. Oh, and Anti-Christ sucks. How you can like it and hate Lost is just bizarre. Good night.
Opinionated beardo is opinionated.
This is adorable. "It's not true to the spirit of the character! It's a slippery slope! Will Smith wouldn't be Superman, and he's a smart cookie, because he made Wild Wild West!" Let's have a funny Spider-Man for a change. Spidey's supposed to be a funny guy!
Why black? Why not Mexican? Oh, wait, he'd get his ass kicked in Arizona.
I'm sure the largest percentage of comic readers in the early days were nerdy white kids, and Spider Man was aimed at them. As such, he was a hero tailored to that demographic. As with anything else in this world, the simplest answer is the most likely one. In this case, the culprit is Commerce. These days, given the hero's popularity, his race doesn't matter — at least not in any way outside of some superficial feeling of familiarity. It's like this: Say I grew up with a friend who was white. Knew this guy for sixteen years (give or take) and one day I see him and he's turned into a black guy. I wouldn't stop being friends with him, and I'd certainly be surprised for a bit. Eventually I'd get used to it, and it would be as though he'd looked that way forever. Peter Parker is familiar to many people, and there is that preconceived notion as to how he looks — race and all. To change that would be jarring to many people, but I think once they got used to the change they would realize they've been hangin' with the same ol' Peter Parker. And I agree with #137: Just give us a Peter Parker with wit, and who isn't so fucking mopey all the time. That's what the original movies failed at in my opinion. And make Mary Jane spunky. This helpless damsel in distress shit has to go.
Wolverine was only supposed to be 5'3'' in the comics but he was 6'2'' in the films and nobody complained. Isn't that just as radical a change in physicality?
Devin's running for office again. Move along folks nothing to see here.
Jordan hit it on the head. Peter Parker was created as a white nerd because that was Stan Lee's target audience.
how about an oriental Peter Parker? Seriously, we need more oriental superheroes, and it totally fits the bill of Peter being a science nerd.
So anyone who thinks Peter should remain white is a racist? People are way to quick to cry racism today, makes me a sad panda. Some people will not want Peter to change race for the exact same reason they don't want him to have a green and gold costume, it doesn't mesh with the comics.
Why don't we just leave the spider man series alone? Maybe make a forth, not redo the whole thing just because African Americans are upset that a movie character is white.
I didn't even know this cat before this kerfuffle so I have no clue if he can do it. I didn't much liek the idea at first – because to ME Spidey is white. It's how he's been in mainstream Marvel since the 60s and toying with that just seems wrong.
Now… I don't know. It could be as good or as bad as the filmakers make it.
I will agree totally with Jeffmc2000 though – changing Spidey's race does indeed change the character because it ALWAYS does. Being black in the US is a very specific experiance and very different than being white – nerd or not.
This is NOT inherently a bad thing – the changes Jeffmc2000 talks about might make it a very interesting cape movie – maybe not a mainstream film but I'd find a superhero flick that was upfront about race issues interesting (the Xmen is but it isn't).
Interesting article Devin. Food for thought.
The reason why nobody cares if Fury or Kingpin aren't white is because they're second bananas, not the main character, not even part of the frontrunners.
The star in summer movies is always white and male. How much summer movies with a woman in the lead are out there right now? How many hispanics? Asians?
Even the main characters in summer movies that belong to a different race went white: Prince of Persia and Avatar: The Last Airbender.
Spider-Man is white because a white guy invented him. Authors/filmmakers/etc. usually create characters who are extensions of themselves. If a black guy had come up with Spider-Man he'd be black. It's that simple.
How about in the reboot, Spidey dumps Mary Jane and dates a sista, I mean a fiiine sista like Gabriel Union or Alicia Keys. Let see how the fanboys (and I am one) deal with that. I am Black and I grew up with Spiderman as my favorite character, if you had this conversation with me about 20 years ago, I would have said hell no, I grew up with a white Spidey and thats what I want to see. But I am 42 now and don't pick up comics anymore, but I absolutely looove movies, so now that I am older and (hopefully) wiser, I wouldn't care, just give me a good finished product. I often wish I was a filmmaker just so I could create an EPIC non-slave era, non civil rights era Afrocentric movie, because there are none, and I hate that (Chaka-Zulu was a nice try, but it wasn't cast as mainstream). Something totally fictionalized like Lord of the Rings.
I love all these fuckers who say the Tea Party is racist. Explain when and where and who are racists. Disagreeing with your country's direction and your president isn't racist. Just because the president is black and is using/promoting communist policies and ideas and I disagree with him, I should be labeled as a 'racist?' I'm a proud patriotic, capitalist who loves this country and will defend till my dying breath. I believe in God and the Constitution (unlike our current administration) and I'm sick of you bigoted, closeminded, intolerant elitist assholes who stick your nose down on us all because we disagree with the Obama Nation.
I never belittled you or called you names when you were in disagreement with Bush or any conservative president. I personally don't care what race, color, or creed a president is as long as they don't apply polices and ideas that are SOCIALIST.
But hey, Devin, quit being the great little progressive *coughcoughCOMMIEcoughcough* you are.
As for Glover, he isn't right for the job. And it's not because of his race, he just isn't bankable when you have the five male rumored lead contenders. It'll probably end up in Hutcherson's hands.
>>I know the part of Forest Hills where Peter Parker lives
If ever you run into him say hello for me and please remind him of that double date we were supposed to have with Wonder Woman and She-Hulk.
donald is too old. period. they want children in these movies, he's like 26. give it up, devin. you're a hell of a nice guy for trying so hard for your film buddy.
This was a nicely structured and well worded argument. But I think the only people who don't already know that there's no reason for Spider-Man to be white are the fanboys who just want to see comic books frame for frame on a movie screen. I admittedly am not a fanboy, I'm just a comic reader/cinephile who understands the term "adaptation." I understand why the fans want the films to be faithful to the comics, but I also understand why the industry can't do that. I love that this was all the result of what was probably meant to be a joke. And I think we all need to realize that comics and movies are two different beasts, and unless you're open minded to the interpretations of others, comic movies can still be enjoyable.
And does anyone remember Michael Clarke Duncan playing Kingpin? Was that a big deal or did I miss that?
Racism is certainly alive and well in America (as we've seen recently), but I don't think it's the cause of ALL of the fanboy blithering.
It comes down to fidelity to the source material. Ditko and Lee were white and created the character from their world-view as young New Yorkers…and white! Peter Parker's experience as a white and nerdy science nerd from Queens (please correct me if I'm wrong) in the 60s was appropriate for its time and it also shaded Spider-Man's adventures (his scientific knowledge, his feelings of inadequacy,etc.). White Parker's experiences, in this time, WERE relevant to Spider-Man, so this is where the argument falls flat.To retroactively change this (and I know this was all a lark on Glover's part, make no mistake) indicates a retroactive PC mindest which is completely counterproductive.
The solution: superheores of different ethnic backgrounds who ARE NOT defined by the stereotypes that accompany them. The problem is, once someone creates a young superhero (let's say a black one, for argument's sake), they eventually get bogged down in cliches: the sideways ballcap, hip attitude and all the rap posturing you can squeeze into thirty pages.
A black Peter Parker-type character would certainly be more than acceptable in this day and age. Hell, I'd welcome an educated, clever black superhero on the shelves that wasn't just the "team's bad-ass","the streetwise sidekick" or a blaxpoitlation stereotype.So make one – I'll even write it myself, to put my money where my mouth is.. But, for the sake of your argument, retrofitting an already established character to appease some honourable but misguided sense of "fair play" is not the solution.
he was white in the story because the man who created the story was white and he wanted spiderman to reflect on his life..
if you read more about it and watched the shows and clips of it more often you'd know why also not to mention around the time spiderman and his amazing friends there was still racists around so they didn't put many blacks in that show but overall that's my favourite show of the spiderman series because i just love firestar in it 🙂
1) Can anyone think of a response with more thought behind it besides "Stan Lee and Steve Ditko were white, that's why"? If you were paying attention to the full message here, you'd know that Devin isn't asking for a literal answer to the fucking question and that it's not really the issue here. Plus, you have no idea how many times someone else has already said that shit…
2) @ comment 145 – What the fuck are you talking about? Why would you assume that it's black people complaining about Spider-Man being white that–oh, wait. Only a bigot would make that leap…
I've been going back and forth with people who are afraid of the idea of a black Spider-Man and I find them to be very amusingly misguide fools. All they say is the fact that he is black is the end all reason as to why Donald Glover can't be Spider-Man and they always end with, "I'm not racist." If you have to start or end a statement with, "I'm not racist," you might be a racist.
Why are people afraid an idea outside the box?
The question should now be why is Spider-Man white. The question should be why isn't there more ethnic diverstity in super heros? It's fine to say that Spider-Man shouldn't have to be white. He doesn't have to….he's just always been that way for the past 40 plus years. It's kind of like Santa Clause being a tall fat guy….he was once described as an elf. But for me, there is an issue of it's 2010 and there are very few new original black, hispanic, asain, etc. superheros. You get a lot of friends of the main guy, but very few main guys. You shouldn't have to change Batman or Spider-Man , etc. from white to black–that seems like a form of reversed racism that someone who means well doesn't see…it's as bad as the argument, "I have a lot of friends who are black….but…" The question is where are the new fresh batch of cool ethnic main superheros. Brand new ones? Superman and Batman started in the 1930s to represent the 1930s. Spider-Man came about in the 1960s and the character was in the style of what a dork went through in the 1960s. Where are the new characters?
What's interesting is that while there's no logical reason for Spider-Man to be white, if you made him Black without any cultural signifiers, you would still be striking a blow for tolerance, because just having more people of color validates the fact that we exist and are just like everybody else. If you have a "default" character, meaning a character whose race has no bearing on their character, but make him something other than white, you validate that those other races are part of our society too. Never thought of that until I read this.
The answer to your question is simple… Spider-man first appeared in marvel adventures in 1962, and the first issue of spider-man came out in march of the next year…
The author was/is white… The U.S. government at the time was almost entirely white.
So, a white author, created a white superhero, and had a white audience in mind…
I'm sure Stan Lee had no racist intent, but the country (and it's society) was controlled by whites.
I'd like to state, however, that just because Stan Lee did not have racist intentions (my belief) the comic books he created have a VERY racist slant…
Now, please do not get me wrong. I grew up reading those comic books and loving them. Spider-man has always been my favorite super-hero. I think it simply did not occur to Stan to have anything other than a white super hero because THAT was the world he had grown up in and it was the world he lived in… White (as YOU said) was simply the default… and you were right.
You must be aware that he DID make attempts to create non-white super heroes; he just wasn't very good at it, at first.
Consider Luke Cage. If you go back and read the early titles with Luke Cage it's clear that he was a black stereo-type created by a white author… (although I STILL don't understand why they made him wear a tiara.)
Even the NAMES of some of the early black super-heroes… BLACK panther, BLACK lightning, BLACK Vulcan, BLACK racer, and The BLACK Spider.
It was as if they HAD to point out that they were "black" and not so much a superhero as they were a "BLACK" superhero.
For the record, I'd like to point out that ALL panthers, by definition, are black. There are no other kinds of panthers. A panther is specifically a JAGUAR that has black hair. Calling a panther a BLACK panther is like calling it a Black Black-Jaguar… So, why is it the superhero 'The Black Panther' isn't known simply as 'The Panther?'
However, as society has changed so has the perceptions and beliefs of the authors who create super-heroes and the comic book world now has some great non-white superheroes… STORM, THE FALCON, BISHOP, WAR-MACHINE, PRODIGY, DARWIN, and the list goes on…
As to why is Spider-man white… Because he was written that way from the beginning.
I think focusing on creating new non-white superheroes is a better way to go then trying retrofit already established characters.
Just my opinion… And for the record, I am not white, nor am I black…
This may be a good question for you to consider… Notice you STARTED by asking the question, but then you quickly transitioned into "Why Can't Spider-man be BLACK?" You DID NOT ask "Why can't Spider-man be non-white."
Do you realize that more that nearly 70% of all human beings are NEITHER white nor black??? Polynesians, Asians, Arabic, Hindi and so on… Yet, for you the default to spider-man NOT being white would be for him to be BLACK…
Why not Hawaiian? Why not Chinese? Japanese? Native-American…. Now, I'm know you believe Spider-man could be ANY race and in NO WAY do I believe you are racist. I merely wanted to point out a natural tendency that most Americans seem to have. If you are not White than you're black…
Again, I do not believe you are in any way a racist… But consider this, if it is so natural for you to think of BLACK superheroes as the natural alternative to WHITE superheroes, how much easier was it for Stan Lee and friends to simply think only of white superheroes…
Things are changing… Hopefully for the better… However, racism has always existed and I believe it always will; I'm sorry to say. We just have to keep fighting it…
Here's an idea. Rather then make ANOTHER Spiderman movie and then have the big argument about casting Peter as an African American let's make a movie about an actual African American.
Where is the movie about Isaiah Bradley, the FIRST Captain America, who was awesome. Where is the movie about Patriot, his grandson, who IS awesome and also LEADS HIS OWN TEAM. Where is the movie about Luke Cage, who's run yes has had problems but is still really really cool. Where is the movie about John Stewart, the African American Green Lantern a couple people have already mentioned. Where is the movie about Bishop? Where is the movie about Falcon, who as far as I know, is the first African American superhero EVER. There are SOOOO many African American heros out there now. Please can we make a movie about them rather then trying to recast an old A-lister in some weird sense of fair play or ret-con or something.
Sorry. I was trying to read your article but then I read the phrase "that is unique to honkies." And lost all respect for your argument against racism. Good try though.
Someone made the point way, way, way up the thread, but Stan Lee (Stanley Lieber), like many early comic book artists, was Jewish. See also Jack Kirby, Bob Kane, Siegel and Shuster. Lee, Ditko, and Kirby were all the children of immigrants. You can see this story repeat again and again in the bios of Golden/Silver Age comic writers and artists. As Jews and the children of immigrants, these guys WERE minorities. The fact that they created characters like Superman, Captain America, and Spiderman to be WASPy white guys was significant and not just a natural consequence of "white guys writing white characters." You can look at it as an attempt to cater to mainstream culture, or a conscious or unconscious attempt to mainstream themselves (Stan Lee himself changed his name to disguise his ethnic origin, after all, and he's by no means the only one).
Nobody's saying Spiderman has to be black. The question Donald Faison himself raised is, why can't Spiderman be played by a black actor? The answer is that there's no compelling reason why not. You could have replaced Tobey Maguire with Donald Faison and still have had essentially the same movie. "It's always been that way" is not a good reason.
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