When I covered the news that WB would be relaunching their Justice League film, the assumption was that it would relaunch Batman, while maintaining the momentum from Snyder’s Superman and Campbell’s Green Lantern.
NOPE.
Speaking with HeyUGuys.Uk Snyder made it very clear that his Superman and Nolan’s Batman exist in their own isolated universe, and that the WB Justice League will be its own contained thing with its own Batman and Superman. So the Batman reboot is still true, but the other stuff is now out the window. While assumptions have already done that thing they do to you and me on this subject, one presumes this applies to Green Lantern as well. It better.
I mentioned in the previous coverage my need for this kind of shit to cleanly align in a logical, consistent fashion. With that in mind, this seems kind of dumb. The chance of WB actually releasing a Justice League film in 2013 is very small, so I don’t understand why an effort wouldn’t be made to unify their releases. Without even touching on the public’s theoretical inability to understand two different actors playing Superman in movies at roughly the same time, it just seems weirdly messy to me. The idea of it is like nails on a chalkboard to my left-brained sensibilities. The thing is, that’s entirely my own hang-up, and I’m fully prepared to eat three courses of crow if this works out.
It’s possible to reconcile this decision with even my finicky bullshit instincts, if the film is entirely self-contained, meaning it doesn’t allude to any of the other films, and has its own clear, distinctive approach to these heroes. Even then, that will mean some of the solo franchises like Flash and Wonder Woman will sync up with the team-up universe, and others like Superman and Batman won’t. Gross. Part of the reason Harry Potter has worked so well has been the visual consistency, the reatined cast, and that any shifts were done at logical points in logical ways (the shift from a dead Richard Harris to Michael Gambon came at the perfect point, for example). Warner Brothers treating its other potentially major shared universe so haphazardly isn’t a move I would have predicted, so I hope Robinov knows just what it is he’s doing. If he’s that dedicated to a Justice League movie in 2013, I guess this is really the only way to do it.
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Dumb. Snyder has yet to prove that he can makeover a Superhero as well as Nolan can, so why does he get to throw his weight around on this decision, thinking that his vision is too good for a cross over.
Maybe after this past weekend the WB has already informed Snyder that “his” Superman is a “one and done.” (Subject to change if it makes beaucoup bucks, but still).
Henry Cavill is portraying a…Younger Superman. If The, Justice League film features an older one like…Patrick Warburton, I would be all for that! Jon Hamm might also make a great JL Superman. As for Green Lantern, There are so many GL’s available, why not choose another one for the Justice League film? Most likely, there will be a different director for the solo adventures, and the JL film. I like this concept alot!
This is fuckin’ stupid.
Sounds fine to me. Why does everything have to tie together? It makes the solo movies (like Iron Man 2) messy trying to hook everything else together.
Also Sucker Punch was AWFUL! Why hasn’t Snyder been fired from Superman. WB is getting real messy trying to keep this licence.
Why does anyone think that Snyder even really knows what is going on with the Justice League film or whether or not Cavill will be in it? I find it hard to believe that WB would sign Cavill to a multi-film contract (I’m guessing) with a set salary………………and then not throw him in the team-up movie. I also can’t see JL hitting screens before 2014 anyway, which would easily set it up as a makeshift followup for the Green Lantern and Superman films. It’s not Snyder’s decision anyway. It makes sense to keep the Nolan trilogy separate and reboot Batman into an incarnation that can exist alongside other heroes. It DOESN’T make sense to do the same to two heroes (GL & Supes) whose new films haven’t even hit screens yet.
Best guess? Justice League probably won’t hit until 2014…………………and Snyder either doesn’t know what he is talking about or WB will change their minds between now and then. Why sign two actors (Reynolds, Cavill) to multifilm contracts and then NOT exercise those options on your team-up to keep the budget down since they already have set pay rates? It wouldn’t make sense. It made sense to do it for the abandoned Miller project because Bale could have asked whatever he wanted to star in it AND Batman 3…………….and they were already distancing themselves from SR, so Routh wouldn’t have been called in anyway. This time ’round there would be no point.
I think we should disregard any JL rumors like this until after Green Lantern, Snyder’s Superman, and The Avengers hit theaters. It won’t be until then that WB starts making serious decisions one way or another.
If it doesn’t all tie together, then why even have Batman and Superman IN the Justice League? That’s the real question, I think. It’s one thing if the character is still having solo adventures in their own series while also having different adventures in a team film, but for the 2 to have nothing to do with one another continuity-wise, at least in the way they approach the character, makes no sense at all. I think Warner Brothers needs to focus on making people care about Superman again PERIOD before adding a second version of Superman to the cinematic mix.
It’s like everyone here has a short memory. Chris Nolan is executive producer on Snyder’s Superman film as well as the story writer (NOT the screenwriter) so i would imagine that Snyder is very informed as to what’s going on with the film. At least light years more informed than the keyboard cops reading these websites. Chill. The. Fuck. Out. Warner Bros and Nolan knew exactly what they were getting with Snyder when they signed him for this film. You think Warner and Nolan didn’t see Sucker Punch until this past weekend? Give me a fucking break. They knew the film was a tough sell six months ago. It’s like everyone thinks that this is all news to the studio. By the time we find any of this shit out, it’s old news for the people involved.
It may also be worth noting that Superman hasn’t started filming yet, to my knowledge. So any “shared universe” nods could easily be inserted later on in the filming process or even during reshoots. if WB/Nolan flat-out tell Snyder “Yeah, you’re gonna have to have a Green Lantern Cameo after the credits of your movie” he’ll most likely do it.
Jmacq1: You make a great point. From what I gather, the screenplay is still being written right now and almost all of those kinds of crossover things are added late in production, some time even mere weeks before realease. I would imagine that WB is going to wait and see how Green Lantern performs before they try and show horn any kind of crossover into this. Also, all indications seem to be that this is more of a Superman Begins than anything else, with it focusing on his early years with the cape, so this could actually lead into a JLA film if it’s really sucessful. I don’t imagine WB pulling the trigger on JLA until they see how two things are going: (1) How well Superman:Man of steel is coming together and (2) how Avengers works out. If Avengers comes out and nose dives, they are NOT gonna greenlight a 200 million dollar JLA, I don’t give a shit what they’re saying right now.
As much as DC doesn’t want to admit that they’re waiting to see how successful the competition is, they really should just come out and SAY “Hey, no more bullshit. This is risky, and we’re going to see how it turns out for the other guys first”. While waiting is the smart thing to do, it makes you sort of wonder what additional progress Marvel will have already made by the time/if a JLA movie finally sees the light of day. Great, it’s 2015 and there’s finally a JLA movie, now what? Will it really be such a big deal if there’s like a new Marvel movie coming out every season, not to mention TV shows that tie into it all or anything else they might be able to pull off?
If any “shared universe” insertions come in Snyder’s Superman, no doubt they’ll be slowed down, zoomed in ridiculously close, zoomed out, sped up and then slowed down again.
Snyder’s Superman? It’s gonna blow. Period.
Magic Kenny: You don’t like Snyder. That’s fine. That’s your right of course. But people just declaring that a film is “gonna blow” 18 months out from release before a script has been written and a frame of film has been shot, are what’s wrong with the fucking internet. Already decided that this film is bad and set it in stone. That’s brilliant. That way, you can just dismiss everything, every image and every tidbit and just get your hate on. Wow. You are so cool and hip and ahead of the curve. It’s funny. No one seems to remember that there wasn’t any Ramping in Dawn of the Dead, but of course he’s gonna do it in Superman. That’s the easy joke and the easy excuse to hate for the sake of hating. At least Snyder knows how to stage action. If this film has more than one action scene in it, it will be ahead of Superman Returns and that cannot be a bad thing.
This Zak Snyder guy is a scourge on the universe and is just one decision away from mucking up the wheelworks ala Rattner
That would be ZACK Snyder.
I am amazed at how unbelievably fickle and bitchy the lot of you are.
welcome to the Internet, Mr. Swiff! This must be your first day 🙂
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