
I’ve been trying to write up on why superhero properties (either adaptations or originals) aren’t working for television even as they are thriving on film. There probably isn’t a single answer across the board. Some shows have died out because the story telling was weak and without clear direction (Heroes), others because the creators didn’t understand that in the post Sopranos (and now Breaking Bad, The Shield, et al.) world a person doing the right thing all the time, without any inner conflict, is of little interest to audiences (The Cape), and others still just didn’t seem to understand the nature of comics or what endeared fans to particular characters to begin with (Wonder Woman*).
More than likely the streak of poorly received superhero television shows won’t end with Fox’s newly announced The Punisher hour-long drama they will be developing. I will now be prophetically placing The Punisher under the latter reasons for a superhero property’s lack of success. Much like the failed Wonder Woman the new The Punisher is being described as a “new take” on the popular comic character, which is – more often than not – a bad sign. Rather than let the character stand on its own they place it is a contrived television set up and comic book it up a little bit.** Here is Deadline’s description:
“The Punisher is described as an hour-long procedural… [about] Frank Castle, a rising star detective with the New York Police Department who moonlights as the vigilante Punisher, seeking justice for those the system has failed.”
While, as I understand it, there are some instances in comics where Castle is a former police officer this not the origin he is best known for (or the one anyone thinks about when they think about The Punisher). Frank Castle has two extrinsic motivators that make him The Punisher: the tragic and senseless death of his family, and disillusionment from participation in a violent war, the reasons for which were suspect – if not completely absent. The description makes no mention of either of those two motivators that make The Punisher relatable and sympathetic. While there is obviously room in the comic book world to play with characters origins and traits its seems strange to sidestep these two key points.
I could be totally wrong, I’m hoping that is the case. We’ll just have to see how this show develops.
It should be mentioned that the show is being developed by Criminal Minds showrunner Ed Bernero for Fox. Given that I am a pretentious “cable is better than network television” advocate this is where I should say I’d be more excited if this was being developed at FX, but that’s just me.
I’ve never seen Criminal Minds, is Ed Bernero the right guy to lead this show to someplace better than this original description would make it seem?
*that certainly wasn’t the only problem, but in my estimation was the big one that showed they had it wrong right out the gate.
** In the case of Wonder Woman it was “lawyer woman who fights crime” so it could be another in the long list of legal dramas with superhero elements. This time around we’ll have another in the long list of cop shows with superhero elements to (slightly) shake up the formula.





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Criminal Minds is not great, although it is better than Bones or NCIS.
I have to say I have always thought the punisher was an ex cop and war vet. But I have not read the books for 20 years or so. But he was in the Mike Zeck revival of the character in the eighties.
So I guess we’ll get, like, what 30+ minutes of boring, reheated Law & Order leftovers and 10-15 minutes of badly done network television action in every episode? Count me out.
No no no….What the hell..As a Punisher fan I have too weigh in here..Look a crime Drama could work but only with Frank on the outside of things with the Cops kinda following him “Punisher tack force kinda stuff”..Or even shield agents I.E. Punisher war journal this would allow for a different narrative every week but still allow for the Punishers involvement..On a whole I don’t see this working out we finally got a really good “Punisher” movie in Warzone and it was hammered for being too violent and gory,As well as the Punisher having minimal dialog..And of course Jigsaw being a Joker rip off,Well my response too all these complaints has always been so have you ever read any of the book’s?..Warzone got it 98% right yeah the editing was noticebly wonky in several scenes but it got Frank and Franks world perfect.This horrid T.V. show idea already seems too have lost the character before it’s even begun..A shame for sure..
Tyler Anderson, As long as there is alot of…Action. Maybe have Frank Castle in a S.W.A.T. Team, it would make sense. This is definitely not as bad as the Wonder Woman pilot. I buy Frank Castle as a cop, as long as that cop is more…Hunter than Law and Order.
This will be an epic fail, much like the Thomas Jane version and to a lesser extent the Ray Stevenson version. Punisher War Zone was entertaining but its overly cartoonish villains and cartoonish, yet still extremely violent, action cheapened the Punisher in my mind. I’ve always been a fan of Mr. Lundgren’s take on the character; brooding with a sociopath’s inability to emote effectively and prone to naked meditation in the sewers. The Punisher isn’t Daredevil, who is basically a righteous guy who rarely goes overboard. The Punisher is just this side of complete psychosis on a good day. I loved Garth Ennis’s Born series where he implies that the Punisher was so warped by Nam he was well on his way to what he became before his family was killed. I’m hope the guy behind Criminal Minds can come up with formulaic crap to broadcast without dragging Frank Castle’s name into it.
Twio cents from an (old) Punisher fan. This is bullshit. Obviously the producers have no knowledge / respect for the source material. Go ahead and make a show about a cop who moonlights as a vigilante at night. Just don´t associate it with Frank Castle, Please. The Punisher is a man being stripped of the last ties to ordinary life, when his family is killed. It´s also an excuse for him to give in to give in to his true nature. A dark side of his soul that wants nothing more than all out war. This is also cause for the great conflict in him. Did he want this all along?
The ONLY way to use The Punisher in a tv-show is to pour through the Sopranos filter. No superpowered humans. Keep it “real”. Make Frank Castle a superior strategist. One man able to take on many. Sure, you can have some of his known enemies turn up. Barracuda (Michael Clarke Duncan), Jigsaw, Bushwacker and Bullseye. But keep them “real”.. Have his name “The Punisher” be something that The New York Times has come up with. Not something he calls himself. Otherwise it´s just too corny.
Consult with Garth Ennis on writing the show. Stay away from the goddamn cop-at-day-vigilante-at-night angle.. Jeez, what a brain-turd..
And now I´m ranting..
Crossing my fingers for this. But The Punisher curse will probably prevail. The PS2 game was the only punisher production to ever kick ass..
Yeah I don’t get it. Why call it the Punisher when it’s nothing to do with the Punisher?
Screwface, Did you ever play Capcom’s The Punisher arcade game? It was a side scrolling beat em up where the 2nd player was Nick Fury. That is my favorite Punisher Game. The NES Game is also very cool. I do enjoy Garth Ennis’ First 25 issues of The Punisher, which culminated in Hulk Hitting Wolverine into the next closest…State! I want to see Frank Castle involved with other superheroes, supervillains, as well as his own rogues gallery.
Hey Duke. No unfortunately I´ve never had the pleasure of trying out the arcade game.. The Punisher: No Mercy game was the worst.. I believe I have most of the Punisher comics from the eighties. I stopped bying them in the nineties somewhere and reconnected in 2001 with the “Welcome Back Frank” storyline by Ennis. (Horribly mishandled in the Thomas Jane movie)..
If they decide to make a new game, they could play it safe and either A) Give Rockstar Games free hands to make it. or B) Do what they did with Tom Raider Legends – Remake the first game with better graphics. (In our case the PS2 game)..
And include more Bullseye (Ps. We also need a Bullseye game!) and Barracuda..
Screwface, The Punisher’s Enemies included…Jigsaw, Bonebreaker, Bushwacker, and Kingpin. There were numerous…Ninja, Thugs, and Cyborg’s as well. The NES game was made by LJN, and it was simply called…The Punisher. It was a…Rail Shooter. I didn’t like the…PS2 game though. I prefer…Run N’ Gun games like The Punisher Arcade Game, Metal Slug, Contra, and Heavy Barrel. I would Love a Marvel/Capcom Classics Collection featuring all the games they worked on together.
I was going to really puke out my hatred for this shit of an idea,
but Screwface said everything there is to say.
So I am just going to take a nap now.
Somebody wake me up when Hollywood is done trashing every good or interesting franchise in existence, alright?
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