
All right, clarity right from the start; what the hell do I mean by “ruin bad movies”? I consider myself to be a member of an ill-defined yet easily recognizable clan – the enthusiasts of bad movies. This is a highly specialized and often disparaged group of cineastes who have cultivated a predilection for poor cinematic offerings. And as a member of such I have noted something that has crept into the unorganized fold in recent years; namely, the hipsters.
In order to make this study I need to express what is meant by “hipster”, as many know intuitively what the term means but cannot succinctly define it. For the sake of this discussion “hipster” will come to mean those who have an over cultivated sense of self-aggrandizement while employing an over-reliance on irony. They subsist on a mixture of camp and arrogance, displaying snobbery while they dress in fashions from Goodwill Industries.
I came to note this invasion into the realm of putrid cinema when I had one of these neo-pundits take a rather challenging stance with me during a discussion on bad movies. I was told flatly by him that I had no voice in the discussion based on my ignorance to a particular movie title. Here I was being faced by pretentiousness, while talking about crap. I just looked at the person with dismay, and one of my friends calmed him down and quietly explained that I in fact had years of experience writing reviews, columns, and articles on this very subject.
Never before had I heard this type of attitude among those of us who crave bad films. Confrontation and attitude is not a component in these groups. That was when it hit me. This infusion of condescension and regimented parameters is a recent development; and for that I blame the hipsters. This change has been taking place for a few years, and while I was vaguely aware of it I had not studied it in earnest. I was always of the mind that those who reveled in bad films were brethren, and while I may not share an opinion we at the least share a mindset. But that has changed recently.
I mostly noted the change with the uprising of popularity of a particular film title some years back. Troll 2 is a movie that has become beloved by a legion of fans, and in rather swift fashion it has come to be known as the undeniably “Worst Movie Ever Made”. Now I freely admit at this stage that I may come off sounding like one of those old-school types — like a Bob Costas, declaring you cannot herald one particular baseball player as the “greatest of all time”. My stance is simply that making such a concrete decree is counter-intuitive to the bad-movie experience. I approach it more from the standpoint of a collector; you try to gather as many bad titles into your experience with the acceptance that you may never view all of them.
The thing that had me pausing about the Troll 2 uprising was the extremely impulsive pronouncement that this was indeed the most awful film ever. It seemed as if suddenly a movie hardly anyone had knowledge about was being elevated by everyone as the top of the dung-heap. I had been aware of the film prior to the lionization, but it was easily dismissed as just another DVD creature feature that failed miserably. (The minds behind Mystery Science Theater 3000 have covered numerous titles of similar dreck.) The movie had been released into the rental market in 1990 and it quickly was bypassed and forgotten. Years had gone by with hardly a mention. But then a wave of cult support began to rise up, sparked by the basement dwelling ratings it had received on IMDB.com. This was the catalyst. In short order the movie became recognized as a garbage classic and an endeared title, heralded as the worst thing to ever grace a movie screen. Except of course it hardly had graced a screen. It was shopped to a few regional film festivals before being dumped onto the VHS market.
Now, am I in a position to dispute that this is in fact “The Worst Film Ever”? No, of course I am not. But I also feel that others are not in a similar position to christen the film as such. Instead it smacks of a trendy attachment to a movement of sorts, one that the hipster crowd has made its own. There is just something less genuine in the manner that Troll 2 went from a forgotten, bottom shelf has-been onward to this overnight conqueror of all things garbage which had preceded it. The announcement is a little too bold, the insistence is a little too empty, and the fondness strikes me as a little unhealthy.
Compare it instead to another modern classic of bad cinema, Tommy Wisau’s The Room. This delicious misbegotten offering is by every measure an archetypal bad movie. The difference is that while it has risen up to similar heights it had been tabbed very early on as a must-see among those who orbit bad cinema. As word spread it was rightfully canonized and it has become a staple on the midnight movie circuit. The difference is that this had been an organic process. Fans found the title, they shared the experience with friends, and a groundswell built in the hearts and minds of the bad movie set. It became a moderate hit for all the wrong reasons and the misguided director has even since tried to pass it off as an intentional gag (although such a claim follows his years of rabid defense of his art.)

This differs from the hipster love that had been showered on Troll 2. That uprising has more of a cultural movement feel, where groups have come together to declare the movie as something more than it is; having the popularity become more of a focus than the film itself. There have been cast reunions, multiple public gatherings, clubs, and numerous internet groups and even video games all based on this lone title. The difference is there is so little modulation in the adulation. For this crowd it is Troll 2 alone, and nothing else is worth a mention. It is with that attitude in mind that I see a need to show the difference between the longtime fans of bad cinema and the scourge that threatens our demented class. So here is a comparison of the mindset of Bad Movie Afficianados (BMAs) and hipsters.
Reaction to Hearing You Have Not Viewed a Particular Title
Hipster Scorn, ridicule, and pompous condemnation. You are viewed as beneath them, and they will let you know such.
BMAs Surprise possibly, soon followed by enthusiastic explanations as to why it is worth your time.
Reaction to Hearing Someone Else Has Not a Title You Adore
Hipster You lecture the individual that they are missing out on a crucial experience and that their viewing of this film is compulsory. You may even dictate that they will not be invited into your fold until completion of this task.
BMAs Pleasure is felt at the opportunity to share this content and you make arrangements to join them in their initial viewing. You feel a sense of honor being the person to expose this individual to the merits of the film.
Discussions of a Particular Title
Hipster Proclamations are made as to how many times they have viewed a particular title in order to rise in stature. Time is spent declaring a specific element of the film as the most glaring example of the awfulness of the film. There is a need here to be the authority on a particular movie.
BMAs Everyone takes turns pointing out portions they found particularly noteworthy and you endeavor to find elements others may have missed to appreciate with you. Laughter is the primary goal.
Recitation of Content
Hipster When cued to a segment of the movie they begin quoting not just lines but extensive scenes of dialogue they consider relevant and pithy, sapping all humor and enjoyment from the experience.
BMAs They work an arcane detail from a film into a non sequitur moment of discussion, sparking recognition and smiles from the others. When serving drinks, for example, to a group of known Showgirls fans you approach and say, “Ice cubes, girls!”
Private Viewing Gatherings
Hipsters An exclusive club atmosphere exists with a pecking order established based on who is the “biggest fan” of the title. Newcomers are relegated and made to feel as if they need to “earn” their place in the crowd.
BMAs Invites go out to both fans and newcomers, with the freshman members usually placed closest to the screen to enjoy the carnage.
Public Viewings
Hipsters They arrive early, dressed either in character or with film specific/ironic attire. They work the crowd to let as many as possible know how devoted to the project they are that night. Sometimes they will make derisive comments about the need to make a better event for “the true fans” of the film. Acting out entire scenes of the film is not out of the question.
BMAs Arriving in a group and mostly seated in the rear; this is so their running commentary and quips do not disturb the majority of the audience. After the credits there is likely a wide discussion in the lobby where others are included and new friends are likely invited to future viewings.
Personal Objects
Hipster They will have anything from props, a framed poster, or signed memorabilia from cast members displayed prominently in their home. If you do not verbally acknowledge these objects soon enough you will be introduced to them, and expected to fawn over the obsessive efforts of the fan.
BMA They may have a subtle object, such as a ball cap that says OFFICIAL CREW MEMBER from a production, and it is only noted by someone with knowledge of the film. If you happen to indicate knowing the title there is a good chance they would offer the item to you.

I can say most of this with some certainty, because as it turned out Troll 2 is the title that earned me the venom from the individual I mentioned above. As noted, I have seen this title, as well as the documentary made by a cast member, “The Best Worst Movie”. However in that discussion when this person brought up Troll 2 I feigned ignorance, not wanting to wallow again in the merits. This was followed by my attempted ouster from the discussion.
This is the biggest flaw in the hipster appropriation of horrible films. The bad-movie crowd is about gathering and enjoying a film as a group; learning from others and broadening your enjoyment of insufferable trash is the pleasant byproduct. In their desire to be heralded as the preeminent mind of a particular title the hipster becomes exclusionary and distancing. They limit their realm; their experience is truncated.
This need to stand out in a crowd ultimately means they become distanced from that crowd. The end result is their fervent ardor for a lone title means they may miss out on the next I Know Who Killed Me, or Pluto Nash. Worst of all, they also miss out on watching these films with an intelligent and funny crowd of people. This was shown in the movie High Fidelity, after Jack Black’s character berated a customer’s music tastes and chased him out of the store. A friend of the employees had this exchange:
Louis: You guys are snobs.
Dick: No, we’re not.
Louis: Yeah, seriously, you’re totally elitist. You feel like the unappreciated scholars, so you shit onto people who know lesser than you.
Rob, Barry, Dick: No!
Louis: Which is everybody…
Rob, Barry, Dick: Yeah…
Louis: That’s so sad.





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I’m old enough that I remember wondering what the hell was up with this Troll 2 film, because I had seen Troll ONE. My friends and I spent our early teens watching Troll 2 whenever it popped up on HBO and renting it multiple times after that, so it was just a shitty movie that was a riot to watch with friends up until a few years ago. When it popped up on DVD, on a disc with the mostly-ignored first Troll, I HAD to buy it and share it with my new (mostly younger) friends. I think that might be around the time that the hipsters grabbed on to it.
My problem with these hipster types isn’t so much what they latch on to and declare “best ever” or “worst ever”, so much as their lack of perspective when doing so. I don’t think I’ve run into anyone my age (33) that thinks that Troll 2 is unarguably the best worst movie, as we grew up on plenty of horrible shit and loved it, but it IS a lot of fun to see everything that’s built up around it. I don’t think the hipsters would have ever latched onto it if it wasn’t for us, so it’s funny to hear them tell us we’re wrong.
Speaking of what the younger kids are into, have any of you guys had any run-ins with the Hot Topic-funded Cult of the Boondock Saints? I’ve had some success with saving some kids from that, as while the movie is nothing special, it’s an excellent gateway drug to better movies if they’re willing to watch anything made before 1999.
An interesting read. This “hipster” phenomenon of the last few years seems to be fueled by gaggles of over-privileged college age kids deciding to emulate the pretentious art nerds that have always existed, creating an utterly obnoxious and unsightly hybrid. I do find it strange that Troll 2 is suddenly this paragon of hack cinema. It’s a strange beast, to be sure, but nowhere near as deranged and bizarre as The Room and a great many exploitation flavored yet inspired hack jobs like Killer Tongue, to name but one.
The ‘Fight Club’ crowd is pretty miserable as well. Those swollen Limp Biscuit heads that think the whole movie was about punching and pussy. Or just punching pussies. Ironically most of their names (Todd, Chad, Dane, etc…) are literally the sounds that pussies make when you punch them. Strange how the full circled abyss of pussy-punching pussies opens up and swallows itself whole.
I used to work with a guy who proudly considers himself a hipster. Nice enough dude but if your opinion was different from his you simply didn’t understand it. The implication was that you lacked the intellect to appreciate the things his genius level intelligence was able to appreciate.When we worked together I would always end any discussion with a sarcastic “you don’t understand” as a way to mock him We’ve been back in touch over the last few years through Facebook and he asked me what I meant by that I said I was making fun of him. He told me he would always say you don’t understand as a way to parody society and it’s need to understand trivial things. If your day to day small talk is actually some sort of performance art making fun of society, then you my friend are a hipster douchebag.
I’m glad to see these thoughts expressed so clearly; I’ve been noticing the same trend. But I can’t decide if it’s a genuine shift in behavior or just a shift in perception. Is it possible that these behaviors are just new, weird ways of expressing the same sentiments?
Oh, and this is a very well written, entertaining article and I will pass this on to my friends.
I would be interested in producing a movie called Punching Pussies. Write up your treatment and have it on my desk next week.
@ Werewolf Pussy-> I HAVE GOT TO SEE THE PUSSY THAT GOES “TODD” UPON IMPACT.
Article: Hipster fag must’ve reeeeeeeally crawled up your Todd hole dude. It’s ok, fuck’em.
Don’t be surprised if you walk into your office tomorrow morning and see a manilla envelope with an actual punched pussy inside of it.
As good a description as any. I went with a condensed version in my piece, but this is good.
I allow it is possible, and I should clarify I don’t even harbor resentment for the hipsters in general. But their demeaning attitude is was puts me off. The need to be elevated is the detraction.
“Lack of perspective” may be a linchpin in all of this. I too see the merits in “Troll 2” — I mean, an Italian director who could not speak English and a script that seems translated from Italian via BabbleFish is rich stuff — but to laud this direct-to-rental title as “worst ever” bypasses far too much, and limits your perview. Bad as it is I’d watch “Showgirls” over it any time, and laugh far more times.
Hmm. Nice article, and I feel hipster-fatigue as much as anybody, but I think one thing that’s approaching critical mass is the tendency of non-hipsters to amplify the distinction between themselves and the hipster crowd to such an extent that they actually become a new breed of hipster. When you start criticizing someone for being elitist, you become elitist yourself — hence, I try to avoid hipsters aside from taking any moral stance on their moral stance/existence.
Is there a breed of cultured internet film-geek who avoids being snobby about film, but is unwittingly embracing a new form of superficially inclusive but ideologically exclusive elitism? I mean, we can’t get too specific about defining people based on their tastes, because that’s exactly the kind of thing your article is frowning upon. Right?
People who think Fight Club is about fighting will be the first to be churned into biodiesel when my army of cyborg bonobos is ready the revolution comes.
That would have been funnier if the strikethrough text option WORKED in “Leave A Reply.”
I never understood these elitist hipster douchebags. If you polled 100 of them, 99 would list one of the Star Wars films in their Top 5 favorite movies of all time. They’d most likely be wearing their Hot Topic Star Wars shirt under their too tight ironic cardigan while you polled them. You can’t be elitist if you’ve got one of the most popular movies of all time in your top 5. I love when people like the same movies that I do. My favorite bad movie is “Bad Boys 2”. I fell in love with it during its initial run. “Bad Boys 2” is Michael Bay’s “Schindler’s List”. For years, people thought I was nuts to love that movie. I had people tell me that my “Bad Boys 2” love somehow tarnished my reputation as a film buff.Opinions changed after “Hot Fuzz” and I was thrilled that people were finally getting exposed to the greatness that is “Bad Boys 2”. I want as many people at the party with me as possible. I don’t think you like it any less than I do if you saw it for the first time in 2007.
There is a difference between the statements “my favorite movie” and “the best (or worst) movie of all time.” One of those you discuss, the other you’re forced to argue.
For me, I must be so removed that I haven’t had an opportunity to be in a discussion with said hipster. The way they’re described in this article (which I rather liked; well done Brad) seems to me they never had a daddy to tell them when to shut the fuck up.
A wonderful solution. I’ve just been dealing with it with threats of violence against hipsters. There are oh so many hipsters at my university.
Joking of course. But seriously, you may have a point there with the anti film snobbery devolving into a form of snobbery itself. I feel its fine to rag on things and dislike things vehemently as well as love things, and have your own reasons to dislike it, but I try to keep an open mind about every film I see before I see it (I hated legion, but enjoyed priest to an extent. And I am an ardent fan of both Ironclad and Black Death and I think The Prestige is a modern cinema classic). The problem with being too open is that it closes the ability to seriously gauge a film on its deeper more important elements.
But on the other hand, being a snob is equally scorn worthy. Snobs in my opinion, are the new generation of non thinkers. Rather than rationally compare and contrast the similarities or discourse between two works as both pieces of cinema and part of a larger filmic canon, they simply see a similarity as a blatant rip off and then immediately worthy of criticsm. No discussion, if it can be followed back to an earlier movie, then it is not worth their time. Everything is just frames within frames within frames leading back to to distant older picture you may or may not have heard of that is elevated in quality in their own minds that nothing can compete. Twelve monkeys is just a rip off of La Jetee. Tarantino is an unoriginal hack. Black Swan is just a lame attempt to emulate early Polanski and so on and so on. Its repugnant.
I mean Badassdigest literally spent a whole article ragging on that portal fan film sensation that’s going around right now simply because it wasn’t original, or didn’t play with the concept enough. Worse it was criticized that since the director has done commercials it was beneath him to do something like a fan film which should be for kids. It was just a little action short based on an existing property that was made for fun and they decided to rip it a new one for the sake of knocking it down a peg. How messed up is that?
I was a fan of this post before it was cool.
Hipsters ruined goatees for Errol Flynn fans.
To me what makes a bad movie great is how bad it is. In the sense, that usually the best ones are only worth watching once, maybe twice if one of your good friends missed it and you know they will get a kick out of it. Unfortunately, what makes these movies worth watching at all is the communal experience of watching the utter failure of the directors, actors, composer, whatever, and laughing at what ended up on screen, and the shock of watching it unfold before your eyes. Also, I would add the prospect of catching a few moments of brilliance or “holy shit” moments that are actually impressive cinematically speaking or just the shock of seeing things you never thought would be in a film(Google “Zombie vs Shark”), is another part of the appeal. I would say that the majority of “bad” movies I have “enjoyed”, I never want to see again, because they are BAD. After an initial viewing, the sheen of terriblness, and the fun to be had in mocking it, wears thin and it just becomes terrible, outside of maybe a few choice scenes or bits of dialogue. I may urge someone to check it out if they also enjoy watching bad movies, but to go to screenings, not only dressed as characters, but to be punished again, well that is sort of hipstery in itself.
Then again, the term hipster is so vague and malleable that it really has no meaning. I mean, what do you call people that went to see The Rocky Horror Picture Show back in the day and threw hot dogs at the screen? I called them freaky and weird, my buddy called them Mom and her friends.
Although not a hipster myself I know and have no problem in associating myself with people who are. Nonetheless as a group we often hold a B Movie night once a month with a whole new collection of truly bad B movies (Shark Attack 1-3, Spiders 1 and 2 etc), failed blockbusters (Battlefield Earth, Wild Wild West etc.) and amateur pet projects (The Room, Birdemic etc). During this time and over the many faces I’ve witnessed as these small events I’ve never encountered the hostile attitude you describe from one social group to the other. Rather we’re simply united by our love of all things bad and, as you have described, are genuinely enthusiastic about introducing new people to bad films they have yet to see. Hell, watching someone else watch The Room for the first time can be as good as watching The Room itself. Maybe it’s because I’m from a different continent and that things maybe different socially where I’m from but perhaps it’s not that “hipsters” are killing bad films but rather “dickheads” are.
The thing is about dickheads is that they can come in many forms.
People who generically call people ‘hipsters’ tend to be conservative. They are threatened by ‘others’ who intentionally go against the dominant trends and parodoxically call them ‘trendy’. So if one goes against the prevailing trends of shopping at Wal-Mart, driving an SUV and watching shitty blockbusters at the mutli-plex, one is a ‘hipster’.
Negotiated readings of texts has been happening for a long time. People find ways to intepret unintended value in pop culture items meant for mass consumption and subvert or redefine them.
Ironically, the whole idea that someone is ‘spoiling’ something you love, that your cherished secret is now relevant outside of your social scene, is what hipsters are always accused of doing.
No one self-identifies as a hipster.
The hippies were mocked by the mainstream press in the 60’s but now every baby-boomer claims they went to Woodstock.nDecades from now, conservative squares will brag that they used to go see The Room in LA.
Great article, but don’t limit hipsters and their pretentious bullshit to bad movies alone. These are the same James Joyce-quoting douche canoes that look down their noses at you because you’re not hip to some shitty, three-chord out-of-tune band. Said shitty band, if it sells more than 20 CDs, will then be summarily rejected by the hipster because it’s “no longer true to art.”
My siblings and I have talked about this very thing many times. Great article, Brad. Also has anyone here seen “The Carrier”? It’s tough to find these days but if you love bad movies it is a must. A small town is divided as an infected someone or something is unknowingly causing people to melt. Whatever the carrier touches becomes a death trip. What is the only way to test if something is infected or not? Collect cats. Throw cats at things. If cat sticks and melts don’t touch that thing. Seriously. Please seek it out if you haven’t seen it.
I’ve never punched a pussy and had it say Dane before. Am I doing it wrong?
This is a well-written piece, so kudos to that, but am I the only one who sees the irony here? You appear to condemning the “hipsters'” desire to be the authority on bad movies, all the while telling us that they’re the ones doing it wrong, AND explaining, in detail, the proper way to ironically enjoy poorly made films. Um…?
Sorry, accidentally sent this before I was finished.
Anyway, this is the same phenomenon that occurs when an indie band becomes trendy, and suddenly all the original fans start grousing that all the new fans lime the “wrong songs,” or don’t truly understand the band. They roll their eyes when the band plays their hit single argue concert and the crowd goes wild. See, the new fans don’t “get it” likes the original fans do
It’s all just so tiresome. People dig what they dig, in whatever way they dig it. Some are dicks about it, others were cool. That’s all.
Me, I’m just an old school, non-ironic snob. I like good movies. Go figure. 🙂
I agree with you, and point out the paragraph where I mentioned sounding like an old school Bob Costas type. But this was not meant to be a referendum on how to watch bad films, instead I was trying to curtail the condescension and derision I have seen in some circles. I just find that authoritative attitude misplaced.
The purpose of the compare/contrast section was not to lecture “how” to watch bad film but the manner in which I have experienced both sides.
But yea, I completely wrote this piece with the fear of sounding like the “You kids get offa my lawn!!!” type of crank.
My run-ins with these sorts of people are often marked by their inexperience and lack of general talent. As a (young) University Prof with too many degrees in music, I see a lot of attitude with these young musicians and none of the hard work to back it up. The whole indie band phenomenon is really sad when success should be celebrated. The majority of local bands that I’ve seen and heard try to make a living doing music and at best achieve mediocrity. This is usually followed by extensive opinions about everyone else that cannot be backed by their own success.
On that note, I have to agree that this is nothing new. Snobs have always been around. The proliferation of knowledge about “cult” films through the internet has given more people an excuse to have an opinion without the experience.
It’s odd to me that anyone would derive an opinion without any real intellectual forethought. Thanks for the great article and all the interesting feedback.
Hipsters have always existed, and they have always formed indy rock bands in Southern Georgia.
I understand where this piece is coming from, and the mindset it describes is aggravating, but I could live the rest of my life without ever hearing “hipster” used as a pejorative again.
Most of the time it’s just used as a way to dismiss any young, culturally aware urbanite, whether they display the stereotypical elitist sensibilities or not. “Hipster” is such a vague term, and seems to exist only as a cultural segment it is okay to hate on. It’s a dumping ground for whatever positions or behaviors the speaker is finding aggravating at the moment. Hell, I was once called a hipster for saying I didn’t like Stargate: SG1.*
I get that you’re using the word as a shorthand for specific set of behaviors, but the word is nails on chalkboard to me.
* If I am a hipster, it’s not because I have good taste in science fiction.
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