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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post

...or any other asshole trying to invoke science, politics or philosophy to justify their emotionally broken, narcissistic, sociopathic inability to function in a normal society.



 

 

He couldn't function in a normal society? He started the worlds most successful company, and was heralded by the president of the united states upon his death as a towering genius that will go down in American history. Millions the world over mourned his passing and public displays of grief were common place

 

You Jobs doubters are the ones caught in a reality distortion field

post #302 of 358

This isn't real, right?

 

Like...

 

It's just not real. Right?

post #303 of 358

He was just a dude. All this weird life-touching mumbo-jumbo has got to stop. America is searching way, way too hard for a hero.

 

Jesus christ, there were public displays of grief when Billy Mays died, too, and all he did was sell fucking bleach on TV.

 

I don't take it as an indication the dude was the second coming of Jesus, I take it as a country obsessed with Bump-Its, Oxy-Clean and other people's marriages having NOTHING BETTER TO DO.

post #304 of 358

Being hailed by the President is far from an affirmation of greatness anyway. Most Presidents themselves are far from what could be considered "great," although I guess that's subjective. Being hailed as a visionary by the leaders of an aggressively corporate-oriented consumer society really doesn't mean anything other than you fit very definitely into the corporate-oriented consumerist environment, which Jobs did. Not to say the President's opinion is worthless (although it's stupid to say it isn't dictated more by PR than what he actually believes), but Jobs was very much an American icon, and to have the American President acknowledge that means only that they are both very much a product of the same system. They just occupy slightly different spheres of it, which makes the circle-jerk less obvious.

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I'll do it. Don't think I won't!

post #306 of 358

Steve Jobs, usurper.

post #307 of 358

I will keep this thread going forever. It will be CHUD's Hamsterdam.

post #308 of 358

I know this thread has become ridiculous, but in a way I do think Kate's absurdity can motivate legitimate discussion. When things are exaggerated they're easier to tackle, you know? I.e., it's a lot more revealing to take down someone who thinks Jobs is a god than someone who thinks he was a cool guy who made computers. There's just a lot more to work with, you know?

 

But yes, this is late. Let this thread die and let it slowly move into the depths of the internet's most irrelevant catacombs.

post #309 of 358

EDIT: Nevermind, just realized this could count as movie news on the board. I will wait a few days

post #310 of 358
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Originally Posted by JMulder View Post

Or Nietzsche, really.



Oh, just red Kate's post that inspired yours. It gives you the general gist.

post #311 of 358

I really think that in America, at least, the passing of Steve Jobs has a symbolic significance. We have thousands of people marching against "Wall Street" where billions of dollars are made thanks to ephemeral manipulation of abstract financial transactions, while a guy who, whatever you think of him, fucking MADE THINGS, has passed on. It's like the Death of America here.

post #312 of 358

I like Apple products ( I'm posting from an IPhone after all) but the level of devotion some people have for him is insane.  

 

I will say it again,  all he did was take other peoples products and make them marketable

post #313 of 358
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Originally Posted by Ken Savage View Post

I like Apple products ( I'm posting from an IPhone after all) but the level of devotion some people have for him is insane.  

 

I will say it again,  all he did was take other peoples products and make them marketable



I mostly agree, but I think that is a significant achievement.

post #314 of 358

There was no iPhone before he had it created. These products didn't exist before Jobs. Read the book, he was very much a creative force

post #315 of 358

 

Honestly, who of their competitors were coming up with computer and other consumer electronic designs like the ones Jonathan Ives comes up with before Apple brought him on board? Yeah that's not Jobs personally, but who else but he and Apple would've bothered to hire someone like that and give them free rein? I said this before but there's a throughline in Jobs' output from the very beginning: the idea that technology should be attractive and accessible and fit seamlessly into everyday people's lifestyles, rather than being purely functional boxes. No matter who else he was collaborating with, everything he gave his approval to in some way attempted to push that idea and take it to the next level. Dismissing the fact he eventually achieved that goal with incredible success as just the successful 'marketing' of existing products is an absurd diminishment.


Also this:

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Originally Posted by JMulder View Post

..in a way I do think Kate's absurdity can motivate legitimate discussion. When things are exaggerated they're easier to tackle, you know? I.e., it's a lot more revealing to take down someone who thinks Jobs is a god than someone who thinks he was a cool guy who made computers. There's just a lot more to work with, you know?


...is just stupid. So going after the loudest, least flexible and most extreme points of view is more 'revealing' then dealing with actual reasonable people? All it 'reveals' is that you like wasting your time fighting lost causes.

post #316 of 358

How did we ever make phones calls before then?!

post #317 of 358

Z, point to one phone that could do what the iPhone did, as well as the iPhone did it, before 2007. It was an undeniable revolution

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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post

Also this:


...is just stupid. So going after the loudest, least flexible and most extreme points of view is more 'revealing' then dealing with actual reasonable people? All it 'reveals' is that you like wasting your time fighting lost causes.


That's probably true. And I've said earlier in the thread that Kate is little more than useless noise. Perhaps I would retract my statement from the post you quoted -- reasonable people are certainly preferable to insane ones.

 

Although in my defense, there is less unhinged wonder to be found in having real conversations where you mostly agree and come to mutually well-considered conclusions about shit.

post #319 of 358
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post



I mostly agree, but I think that is a significant achievement.



Sure. An achievement to rival Richard Branson, not Ghandi, Alexander The Great and Jesus.

 

Perspective left this discussion - and western dialogue and debate in general seemingly - a long time ago.

post #320 of 358

Bill Gates is like four feet away on stage during this clip:

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #321 of 358

Some Holiday Updates on Mr Jobs and his remarkable legacy

 

 

Steve Jobs has won a Grammy 

 

 

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Steve Jobs will be honored with a posthumous Grammy Award, the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences announced on Wednesday.

The late Apple founder and tech icon will receive the Trustees Award for having "helped create products and technology that transformed the way we consume music, TV, movies, and books," the Academy said in a release. More specifically, the award will recognize "Jobs' innovations such as the iPod and its counterpart, the online iTunes store, [which] revolutionized the industry and how music was distributed and purchased."

 

 

 

 

A massive bronze statue to Jobs has been unveiled in Budapest

 

 

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The bronze work by sculptor Erno Toth stands in the Budapest campus of architectural software maker Graphisoft.


"He was one of the greatest (personalities) in our era, that's what we wanted to express with this sculpture here," Graphisoft Chairman Gabor Bojar told Reuters.


Bojar said Jobs gave cash and computers to Graphisoft, helping it to become a global leader in architecture software from humble roots as a tiny firm in the 1980s in then-communist Hungary.


"In some ways, Apple was a religion," Bojar said at the unveiling ceremony, comparing the experts from Cupertino-based Apple who helped educate Graphisoft's engineers to evangelists.


Steve Jobs represented a technological revolution which can be compared only to the discovery of writing, Bojar said.


"We have felt his spirit every day and now it is embodied," he said. "We hope that we can deserve with our entrepreneurial culture in Hungary what this sculpture expresses as a message."

 

post #322 of 358

Just a few final thoughts about the statue (apparently several others are beIng developed in various locations around the globe)

 

 

1) I love how Jobs is depicted as an ethereally thin, almost other worldly figure with long fingers and limbs. It calls to mind some sort of space being, like the grays of CLOSE ENCOUNTERS

 

 

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2) I prefer the original golden  version before the bronze had a patina added, it helped suggest the image of Jobs as a literal golden man, and highlighted the über mench persona in a more direct way

 

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3) I love this photo:

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post #323 of 358

That's one creepy-looking statue. And what's with the weird pose? He's looking at his hand like a guy high on weed... Woah, man!

post #324 of 358
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Originally Posted by Princess Kate View Post

Just a few final thoughts about the statue (apparently several others are beIng developed in various locations around the globe)

 

 

1) I love how Jobs is depicted as an ethereally thin, almost other worldly figure with long fingers and limbs. It calls to mind some sort of space being, like the grays of CLOSE ENCOUNTERS

 

 

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2) I prefer the original golden  version before the bronze had a patina added, it helped suggest the image of Jobs as a literal golden man, and highlighted the über mench persona in a more direct way

 

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3) I love this photo:

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Boy that's the stuff of fucking nightmares.
 

 

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AHAHAHAHAHA!

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Originally Posted by chrknudsen View Post

That's one creepy-looking statue. And what's with the weird pose? He's looking at his hand like a guy high on weed... Woah, man!



 

That is a classic Jobs pose. Think of the moment where he was unveiling the iPhone, pacing the stage chanting "an iPod! A phone! An Internet communicator! An iPod! A phone! An Internet communicator! Are you getting it?!"

post #327 of 358
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Originally Posted by Waaaaaaaalt View Post

Boy that's the stuff of fucking nightmares.
 

 



Yeah, creepy as hell.

post #328 of 358
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Originally Posted by Princess Kate View Post


 



 

That is a classic Jobs pose. Think of the moment where he was unveiling the iPhone, pacing the stage chanting "an iPod! A phone! An Internet communicator! An iPod! A phone! An Internet communicator! Are you getting it?!"

It's also the pose a pedophile would strike if they made silents films in the 20s about pedophiles.
 

 

post #329 of 358

God those hands a creepy as hell.  

 

Today makes the day that my wife and I have given up on our iPhones.  I loved mine, really did. But I've had my 3gs since release and it was showing its age. To upgrade to the new 4gs it would have cost about $500 or so for the 32 gig version with Apple care and taxes.  That's just too much for a phone. I now have a Samsung INFUSE 4G and I didn't have to dump a large sum of money on my credit card. Hell, Best Buy gave me $128 in store credit for the trade in.

 

 I miss iTunes and how easy it was to in gross everything, but I just can't afford to be with Apple right now.

post #330 of 358
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Originally Posted by MoonBaseNick View Post

God those hands a creepy as hell.  

 

Today makes the day that my wife and I have given up on our iPhones.  I loved mine, really did. But I've had my 3gs since release and it was showing its age. To upgrade to the new 4gs it would have cost about $500 or so for the 32 gig version with Apple care and taxes.  That's just too much for a phone. I now have a Samsung INFUSE 4G and I didn't have to dump a large sum of money on my credit card. Hell, Best Buy gave me $128 in store credit for the trade in.

 

 I miss iTunes and how easy it was to in gross everything, but I just can't afford to be with Apple right now.



Steve gave you the world you ungrateful bitch, and now you dare quibble over the price tag? Pffft, have fun looking up to the titans the rest of your life pal. You don't deserve St.Stevens benevolent gifts to us all.

post #331 of 358


 

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Originally Posted by MoonBaseNick View Post

God those hands a creepy as hell.  

 

Today makes the day that my wife and I have given up on our iPhones.  I loved mine, really did. But I've had my 3gs since release and it was showing its age. To upgrade to the new 4gs it would have cost about $500 or so for the 32 gig version with Apple care and taxes.  That's just too much for a phone. I now have a Samsung INFUSE 4G and I didn't have to dump a large sum of money on my credit card. Hell, Best Buy gave me $128 in store credit for the trade in.

 

 I miss iTunes and how easy it was to in gross everything, but I just can't afford to be with Apple right now.

Best of luck to you Nick and Merry Xmas. My phone is a lowly ENV2. It's just terrible in every respect. Not everyone can afford APPLE in this economy, but it's important to keep living the dream and remember that some day you will again be an iPhone owner. It's just like how I mourn the loss of my G4 PowerBook, and I feel sad I do not have a MacBook Pro, but I know one day I will again have the latest and greatest Mac, and so this is just a separation, not a full break up from the Apple UI experience 

 

and I still have my iPad 2 which helps lessen the blow. I think I won't even be too bummed out when iPad 3D hits, just because I know that one day I will get a 3D iPad, and by that time they'll be even cooler

 

so anyway, don't fret. Just think of yourself as the future owner of an astounding futuristic iPhone that no one one earth even yet owns

post #332 of 358

I had the option of  an iPad a when I got my redundancy money. I chose to buy a really nice watch instead.

post #333 of 358
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Originally Posted by Ken Savage View Post

I had the option of  an iPad a when I got my redundancy money. I chose to buy a really nice watch instead.



Well you won't be told in 18 months you have to upgrade your watch because your current one has a five minute redundancy built into it.

post #334 of 358

And I'm pretty sure they will never bring out a "my watch 4s" or some such nonsence.

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"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $US40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong," Jobs told Isaacson.

 

Whats that Steve? What wrong will you use your money and influence to fight? Disparities in education levels in America? The obesity epidemic? Hell, finding the cure for pancreatic cancer perhaps?...

 

 

 

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"I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."

 

Fighting the fight of a visionary and titan there I see - and hey, whats a little gross hypocrisy between friends right? Titans don't need honesty or consistency, they're above that petty shit afterall...

 

 

 

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Jobs told Google's former CEO Eric Schmidt at a cafe meeting that he was not interested in settling the lawsuit, even if Google offered $US5 billion.
"I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want, Jobs told Schmidt.
These lines conflict somewhat with comments from Jobs in 1996, when he said in an interview that "good artists copy, great artists steal" and "we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas".

 

 

http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/tablets/who-is-little-miss-tablet-samsung-accused-of-acting-up-in-battle-with-apple-20120103-1piwy.html

 

 

post #336 of 358
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Originally Posted by Ken Savage View Post

And I'm pretty sure they will never bring out a "my watch 4s" or some such nonsence.



 

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post #337 of 358

The hero worsnip is misguided, but the pile-on that repetitiously occurred throughout this thread was hardly better once people realized that 95% of the other people were comfortable with talking about Jobs so brutally.  This thread should have died a long, long time ago, before it became as uncomfortable to sift through as it is now.

 

 

The ONLY person who came out of this clean by keeping his class?   Renn.

post #338 of 358

Thanks, Internet Watchman.

 

Pointing out a dead CEO isn't a deity is brutal? Holy shit.

post #339 of 358

Well, at least we've all been judged and can now work to correct our failings.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather View Post

Thanks, Internet Watchman.

 

Pointing out a dead CEO isn't a deity is brutal? Holy shit.



That's kind of reaching for a point that I did not make.  I'm just saying that the supposed fawning for Jobs was hardly the only numbing force in this thread from page one.  Seriously, PK was more or less the sole person expressing anything remotely positive about Jobs for a number of pages and this kind of noxious atmosphere was still perpetuated.  Was there a psychological need to seem "above it all" that had to be quenched?  Just sayin', the motivating factor behind the need for some people to continue going on about how overestimated and shitty Jobs was - what was the need when you were all more or less agreeing and occasionally responding to PK?

 

This was only marginally more coherent than a talk back over at AICN.  I'm hardly a fan of Jobs but even I would never have taken my disagreements this far.  If you're frustrated that Jobs is being almost poetically exclaimed as a great figure post-mortem, that's understandable.  But be honest, neither side is appealing in how they expressed themselves here - the fawning fans of Jobs and the people who apparently can't stand people liking him as intensely as they dislike his brand.  If I'm the "Internet Watchman" for pointing out that, then whatever.  You're all alienating yourselves here, it's seemingly two different threads occasionally intersecting instead of an even reasonable 'debate'.

post #341 of 358

Ooops.

 


Edited by stelios - 1/3/12 at 2:51am
post #342 of 358
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Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post

Well, at least we've all been judged and can now work to correct our failings.


Nope. No intention on my part to do so. I remain unrepentant.

 

post #343 of 358

Some - well, a lot - of us were just talking honestly about how we viewed Jobs' impact on the world. I missed the posts calling for him to burn in Hell or whatever would be the negative equivalent of Kate's creepy possibly-trolling photo montages.

 

Keep playing Amateur Freud over this, though. It's great. I must tear down Jobs because of my own failings!

post #344 of 358

One for kate...

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/news/a358147/steve-jobs-immortalised-in-action-figure-pictures.html

 

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Steve Jobs has been immortalised in a new action figure

Steve Jobs has been immortalised in a new action figure, although Apple is expected to challenge the 'unauthorised' product's sale. Chinese company InIcons and Dragon In Dreams have created a scale model of the late Apple co-founder wearing his trademark black turtleneck, jeans and glasses. Priced at $99 (£64), the 12-inch action figure is to go on sale in February and InIcons is already taking pre-orders. The company dedicated the figure "to the Genius, Great Inventor and Visionary: Steve Jobs", but Apple is likely to consult its lawyers over the toy. In a statement issued to the Daily Mail, Apple said: "Mr Jobs has not consented to the use of his name and/or image in the product." Should the figure go on sale, buyers will get: "One realistic head with two pairs of glasses, one body and three pairs of hands' plus a complete Steve Jobs outfit - poloneck, blue jeans and trainers." They will also get one pair of black socks and trainers and one piece of "ONE MORE THING" hard backdrop. But Apple is likely to be concerned that the product comes with an Apple logo.

 
Steve Jobs action figure

 

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That action-face is closer to the real thing than the statue in Bucharest

post #346 of 358

Yeah. He looks even more inhuman than the creepy statue. Pretty close to the actual Jobs.

post #347 of 358

But he's still dead, right?

post #348 of 358
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Originally Posted by Ben W View Post

But he's still dead, right?



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post #349 of 358

I wonder if some of these aspects will make it into the iBiopic...

 

 

 

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Steve Jobs’s FBI File Calls Him Smart, Tough, and Not Very Honest

Feb 9, 2012 4:03 PM EST
 

The bureau’s file shows some people close to Apple cofounder Steve Jobs didn’t think the world of him. Just in case you didn’t know that already.

Apple cofounder Steve Jobs used hard drugs and was such an unethical sleazebag that some people around him claimed he could not be trusted.
 

That’s the takeaway from a report prepared by the FBI in 1991 when Jobs was being considered for an appointment to the President’s Export Council during the first Bush administration.

Jobs didn’t get the position, but the report, which the FBI has posted on its website, dredges up some juicy details that reveal what people around Jobs thought of him.

In a nutshell: not much.

To be sure, some people seem to have had only good things to say. They described Jobs as extremely intelligent, and a great leader. But others just tore into Jobs and were extremely critical of his moral character. The names of the people interviewed have all been redacted.

 

The funny thing is that even people who didn’t like Jobs did recommend him for the position. One person, after saying nasty things about Jobs, goes on to say that he still thought Jobs would be a good candidate for a government position since, in his opinion, “honesty and integrity are not required qualities to hold such a position.”

Here are some highlights:

  • A friend from college says Jobs used marijuana and LSD. In his own interview with the FBI, Jobs said that from 1970 to 1974 he had experimented with marijuana, hashish, and LSD, but that he had not used drugs in the past five years. No surprise here. Every biography of Jobs talks about his use of psychedelic drugs, and supposedly Jobs thought LSD had helped him and had been a positive thing in his life.
  • Jobs got his girlfriend pregnant and refused to support their daughter, at first denying that the child was his. Later, he changed his mind and acknowledged his daughter and supported her. Again, no surprise. Every biography tells the story of Chris-Ann Brennan, Jobs’s girlfriend, and their daughter, Lisa Brennan Jobs.
  • The report says, “Several sources questioned Mr. Jobs’s honesty stating that Mr. Jobs will twist the truth and distort reality in order to achieve his goals.”
  • One person interviewed “characterized Mr. Jobs as a deceptive individual who is not completely forthright and honest.”
  • One a former Apple employee “characterized Mr. Jobs as an honest and trustworthy individual; however his moral character is questionable.” The person “feels bitter towards and alienated by Mr. Jobs.” This person complained that he did not receive any stock when Apple went public and that if he had received stock he would be wealthy now. He said Jobs “is basically an honest and trustworthy person,” but “he is a complex person and his moral character is suspect.” Also, he said, “Mr. Jobs alienated a lot of people at ACI [Apple Computer Inc.] as a result of his ambition.” This person said he no longer considered Jobs to be his friend.
  • Two former Apple employees said “Jobs possesses integrity as long as he gets his way.”
  • A woman contacted by the FBI “stated she was somewhat reluctant to discuss the Appointee since she has questions concerning his ethics and his morality.” She also said that a 1983 Time magazine article about Jobs had been accurate in describing him as “a visionary and charismatic individual who was at the same time shallow and callous to the people in his personal relationships. She described his personal life as being lacking due to his narcissism and shallowness.”

There isn’t really anything new here, but it’s still a bit shocking to see stuff like this in print. In the end, of course, Jobs triumphed. Apple today is the most valuable company in the world. Sales of iPhones and iPads are booming. Over time, the negative stuff about Jobs will probably fade away and he’ll be remembered most for what he accomplished.

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/09/steve-jobs-fbi-file-calls-him-smart-tough-and-not-very-honest.html

 

post #350 of 358

I miss Kate :(

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