
You and I and all those people out there with a vocal love of film have ruined it for everyone, pimping movies up, falling in love with mediocre films and championing them to near-legendary status. We’ve embraced turkeys, legitimized borderline movies, and elevated modest films in our favorite franchises above and beyond realistic standards. We’ve even embraced the films everyone likes, somehow adding a credibility to them that transcends the mainstream. Sacred cows, little flicks, and everything in between. It’s time we took a look inward and came clean with 25 movies we think need to be taken down a peg or two.
These are our four categories for this list:
These guys have had it too easy. Far too easy. Don’t believe the insane hype.
OVERBLOWN
Good flicks that have gotten too damn big for their britches.
MISUNDERSTOOD
Asshole, you love this film for all the wrong reasons.
WHAT THE FUCK
Something went horribly wrong here, and it’s carried over to the fans, who are blinded by shizer.
CHUD’s Logline: A troubled teen boy might be on the wrong meds: he’s sleepwalking and hallucinating a giant talking bunny which suggests he should vandalize his school and raid Patrick Swayze’s mansion. But it’s all just a time travel mixup, LOLOLOLOL.Its Legacy: Rendered Stephen Hawking’s proposed action movie obsolete; primed Swayze for cancer (too soon?); 1035 babies (to date) conceived while listening to ‘Killing Moon’; no babies conceived during teen sex dreams featuring Jake Gyllenhaal; gave Mary McDonnell a taste of power; popularity and subsequent director’s cut suggested Southland Tales could be cut, cut and re-cut; made audiences suspicious of Primer by default.
Why It’s Here: One question: “Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?” Somewhere in the library of cross-media reference created to support this story Richard Kelly surely has some explanation/excuse for that line. But within the film the best possible meaning is a thin arrow pointing towards Donnie’s ultimate fate. It really seems to exist merely to sound good, like a mnemonic hook for the flick. You remember the line, so you remember the movie. Like so much of the so-called science fiction within Donnie Darko, it’s an empty facade.
A Moment of Piss: When the time-spear effect borrowed from The Abyss actually goes Looney Tunes and makes a beckoning finger for Donnie Darko to follow.
These Ain’t Chopped Liver Alternatives: Primer. Time After Time. Groundhog Day. Ferris Bueller’s Day Off (take that ‘Dre!) And, in fact, all the alternatives for that movie.
Justin Waddell Agrees: It’s almost as if Kelly himself misunderstands the film. Donnie Darko is a culmination of everything that influenced him to become a filmmaker. E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial. Philip K. Dick and Stephen King novels. Watership Down. Songs from the Big Chair. Harvey. Swayze! And like Eli Roth did with Cabin Fever, Kelly just scrunches it all up and fastballs it onto the screen. This odd, sad storyline about high school that’s bursting at the seams really works. Russ calls it a mess, but it seems like a controlled scramble to me. The great and interesting cast help sell it, but Kelly simply made a mysterious and moving film. And then he went and dipped back into flick for the inevitable director’s cut, and the film falls apart…slowly. Watching it makes you think that the initial movie was all just smoke and mirrors in the first place. If you sample the deleted scenes on the original DVD, some scenes just really do beg to be included in the movie. I can understand why Kelly would want to restore some of them (the Watership Down classroom discussion, for example.) But the over-explanation of the time travel portion of the story (written out as excerpts from the in-movie novel) bogs the director’s cut down. Kelly wants to solve the mystery for us, fill in the potholes – but it’s just not the point. The fans already had a movie they loved. So, it turns out that a leashed Kelly is probably the better than the unbridled Kelly. Southland Tales and Domino, of course, helping to smack this idea home.
Devin Faraci Disagrees: If ever a movie could argue for Barthes’ concept of ‘Death of the Author,’ Donnie Darko would be that movie. It’s hard to get past the horrible director’s cut that proved that Richard Kelly did not have a firm grasp on what made the movie special in the first place -which is one of the things that bothers Russ so much. The movie’s science fiction doesn’t really make sense, it never quite coheres, but that feels right. There are metaphysical things happening in Donnie’s life that are bigger than our understanding, but like a trippy Philip K Dick story or Grant Morrisons’ The Invisibles, it doesn’t make sense in a way that itself does make sense. There’s a larger picture that you can’t quite see, but that you know is there.
Of course that’s an accident. But this is where the Death of the Author comes in: forget that Kelly is a frat boy and that his natural inclination is not to sublime mystery but to heavy handed lecturing. Who cares what song was intended to be playing over the tracking shot in the high school when the one that is playing works so well? The ‘stupid man suit’ line… sure it doesn’t make actual sense, but when put into your own context it’s a tantalizing clue as to what is lurking just beyond the edge of reality and understanding. The original cut of Donnie Darko is such a noteworthy anomaly because it allows us just enough room to play with meaning and theme without really going beyond what is offered. It’s the perfect movie for a long, late night bullshit session. Sure, there’s something college dorm roomy about that, but fuck it, we were all that age.
And beyond that, I think Donnie Darko is a fascinatingly off-kilter coming of age story. Mortality isn’t new to coming of age stories, but it’s rarely so central to one. And one of the lessons that Donnie seems to learn is that the world is a strange, confusing place that doesn’t always make sense, and that sometimes you have to do things for a bigger purpose, even when you’re not quite sure why. There’s a line in Jesus Christ Superstar that echoes through the end of Donnie Darko for me; it’s from the scene when Jesus is having his moment of doubt in the garden of Gethsemane and he says to God, ‘You’re far too keen on when and how, and not so hot on why!’ I think that may be the only time Andrew Lloyd Weber and Richard Kelly have been juxtaposed.





38 comments
Ha! I'm the first to comment! I am soooo fuckin' cool. And Devin may be fat, but he's right on the money here.
So, the agree disagree part is all messed up.
BTW, Love this series, please keep it up.
( the Killing Moon is spanish fly to nerdy girls like Portishead is to mid 20s yoga instructors.)
Donnie Darko is to 9/11 as Parallax View is to Watergate. (forgive me, the analogy feels more right than is accurate) There was something about discovering this on video during and around those dark days, when the world seemed truly in danger of ending. Our nation suffered emotional trauma-this was a pill many took. A head trip the first time; endless late night stoned discussions the result. (A kickstart to the senses-A reason to get excited & hopeful again) When we look back, long time gone, will it be possible to seperate this from the classics of the decade? Not on your life, Frank.
The fact that Kelly misunderstands his film so poorly renders any justification of the film mute. It turns you into a film school typical – "I got it, you didn't." – poser hoping to latch meaning onto something that has none.
I completely agree with Russ and Justin. The sci-fi elements just don't work. One thing that really pisses me off is people my age trying to find meaning in it that isn't there. Several people I've talked to have compared it to The Last Temptation of Christ, with Donnie as Jesus.
The Boomer's had this period that kinda defined them. A one-two-three punch of Bonnie & Clyde, The Graduate, and Easy Rider that woke them up, and demonstrated the magic/power of cinema's voice. What does today's generation got? Pulp Fiction, Fight Club, and Donnie Darko. (obviously not beloved on this list!) These pictures rattled the cages, shook shit up, and shined a light on the culture/ blank generations. Devin's point about death of the author & Donnie D. is right on point. (and let's face it Hopper n' Fonda's masterpiece was a bit of accident of chance & illegal substances) It doesn't matter. What the artist brings to the table is trumped by how the work makes you feel. Donnie Darko touched frayed nerves, and reached the people who wanted/needed it. I say, cool.
It's MOOT not MUTE dickhead.
The only version of DD worth seeing is the original theatrical one, it's a film about adolescent confusion and the vagueness of the film works in it's favour. The director's cut is balls and worse than that is bland, unemotional and boring.
finally a film, worth being on here, cult status and misunderstood… I say this is a good movie. not great. stupidly i own the directors cut, which really diminished the story. can you say trying to hard to feel important…
Sorry, but I read and re-read this, and I still don't understand what about this film u think is so misunderstood…other than, as usual, u want your readers to know you're smarter than them and everyone else and u understand this more than those who love the film and we should all applaud you, right!!! I don't even think THEY know what the fuck they're talking about. As a matter of fact, it doesn't matter what anyone really thinks DD is about, because different people see different things in it. Jim Emerson of the Chicago Tribune thinks the film is about Donnie's repressed incestuous desires for his quirky sister. Others think that Kelly was only using the bizarre sci-fi portions to make the cheeky, Hughes-like, coming-of-age aspects more ironic. I think all of that is true if u choose to think that, after all, they all make sense to me, and what the fuck Jeremy thinks, or what Nick thinks, or what fatty Devin thinks is irrelevant, And who gives a shit what's wrong with the film? All of that is beside the point, and constantly trying to undermind Richard Kelly is beyond tired now. We all know ST sucked, we all know he went overboard after DD. But if u truly understand it like u say, you'd appreciate the way the songs and the building original score embed the film in our memory, the smart dialogue, whether u think it's too clever or not, I think DD works better than some of the best reviewed films of the last 8 years. The under-used slow motions shots, the Paul Thomas Anderson-like cinematography, Patrick "FUCKING" Swayze…imagine if every recent teen film, teen horror film, or teen comedy tried to inject that sorta style into them…could u imagine that eye-sore "Prom Night" actually attempting dialogue? Style? Maybe even a little personality? Maybe if "Juno" had tried to be as much fun as DD, then I might have actually liked it. Stop looking for reasons to hate these films and start looking at them for what they are and u might actually learn something, other than just bashing them for the sake of bashing them. But whatever, keep acting like ur too fucking good to like DD or other so-called "hip" cult films, but the fact of the matter remains that u are talking about them.
I like how this film acts as a cultural magic eye puzzle, with each person seeing something different – and inevitably there are those standing nearby squinting like crazy and seeing only the scrambled mess on the surface, getting more and more suspicious that everyone is having them on.
I think Devin nailed it. Donnie Darko also totally justifies it's existence by allowing Southland Tales to exist so I get to describe it to friends and see the look on their faces when I get to "but then the Highlander shows up in an ice cream truck full of automatic weapons and kidnaps one of the Stiflers". And hey fumero, watch this…you. See how easy that was? Unless you're actually Prince. In that case I love "Starfish and Coffee" and may u live 2 see the dawn.
Hey, the correct tag for this one is "overrated". Just to let you know. It seems there is no "ridiculously pointless" tag, so "overrated" would be it.
It's nice when we humans get out of the way and allow the prime impulse of the universe expand and evolve through us, as we, the tiny bristles of its mysterious paint brush, smear space/time with a fresh coat of utter cow shit and marvel at the tasty fungus emerging from within. Mmmmm.
I'm in the camp that thinks the movie is pseudo-intellectual bullshit, so I won't be redundant and just repeat what others have already more eloquently said. I guess there's something artistic in making a film with the deliberate intent of making no sense and allowing the viewer to apply whatever meaning they like to justify liking the film, but the film certainly doesn't deserve the amount of adoration it receives from the half of the audience that likes it. By the way, it's interesting this article (about a film that actually splits an audience down the middle) is perhaps the shortest so far. These types of films – films that really do divide the audience into two camps – are what this series of articles should have been focused on all along. Calling out films like Schindler's List just felt a cheap ploy for hits before the summer rush. I wish you guys had taken the more challenging path and come up with some genuinely interesting debates over films that really warrant debating. And yeah, poster #12 is right – the film can't really be classified as 'Misunderstood', since being is is almost the whole point of the film. It's inarguably 'Overrated'.
@fumero
Hey tips, you know what the best way to get people to take you seriously is? Using the word "you" when you mean "you" and not the letter "u." Also: so you think that the best thing about Donnie Darko is that it lays itself open to individual interpretation eh? Sort of like all three of the writers did.
whatever you do don't watch this film with the commentary. gyllenhall and kelly both come across as couple of morons who fluked this thing. It ruins the film when you realise they don;t even know what the fuck is going on
so this is about the directors cut right? i havent seen that one, but apparently its worse. why talk about a version that you hate? So the director got lucky, so what. Certain scenes from this movie i will remember forever, like Donnie deciding to die instead of saving his community from a pedophile, thats the only thing that made me mad about the original cut.
Yaz — thanks for pointing out what a lot of us are thinking.
If some of you dickheads (harold, elipticus, dave) want to take the time to add such deep, insightful comments (yes, I'm a sarcastic asshole) the least you could do is bless us with some capital letters at the beginning of sentences and perhaps an apostrophe in a contraction. You might increase your chances of people actually giving a shit about your opinions.
Would you be perusing this list if Russ, Devin, and Justin decided to take a huge, steaming dump on the English language? Show some respect to the folks who take the time to entertain us… and to yourselves.
I'm not sure why I'm even writing this — the only people it applies to are either too lazy to read it or to self-absorbed to give a damn.
So, about Donnie Darko… it was entertaining. It generated a cult following which, in turn, created discussion and debate. To me, that's what movie making is all about — planting a message/theme in the audience's psyche strong enough to stimulate the formulation of opinions. Every movie on this list is successful in that regard – maybe not financially, but at least they got people talking. A significant corollary considering the propagation of impersonal communication in our society.
i'm a bit befuddled. how can the writer / director misunderstand his own film?
I think someone (this be a surgeon) should make a director's cut (this be plastic surgery) on Devin Faraci so he is not so ugly and fat and homosexual! ha! Ha ha ha yes!
Somebody tell Devin that you don't need to kill the author every damn time. How is it that the creator of every single property doesn't understand their own work?
My prediction: Ten years from now Richard Kelly will be working graveyard at a bowling alley.
I knew a guy once who was describing to me a novel he had written. Him "It is about a guy who has discovered the secret of life and understands the universe". Me "So what is your secret of life and understanding of the universe?". Him "It is about how people react to him and his experiences". Me "So what is the secret of life as you see it?". He looks at me with a dazed expression. Me "Do you articulate in this novel what truths this character has discovered?". Him "It's not about that".
This is my problem with 99 percent of works that hint at some greater truth. We project our own visions and ideas into a work that does not rule them out, when we seek to pin the creator down about WTF he meant, we are almost always dissapointed. That being said, I enjoyed the hell out of the theatrical cut of Donnie Darko and have not seen the director's cut.
Simply put: this is a lucky mess. Southland Tales: unlucky. I feel similarly about certain David Lynch movies – sometimes you get caught up in them, they're evocative, unusual and compelling – but sometimes you're completely disengaged. When the latter happens you realize that he's just throwing shit at the wall. If you don't get it, the bulletproof line of defense is, "you don't understand art."
misunderstood?
maybe overblown, or overrated…. but not misunderstood.
So is Devin liking the director's cut or the theatrical cut? Haven't seen the DC but it seems to a…suck. Butare they commenting on the same film or what? DC or TC?
I would have to say that it is the height of intellectual arrogance for a critic to suggest they understand a creative work better than the artist themselves. IMHO, the best works are those that are open to interpretation by the audience; they mean so many different things to so many people that the intent of the artist is almost irrelevant. Aesthetics aside, I find the true measure of a great work to be the emotional response it elicits. Donnie Darko definitely succeeded in eliciting a profound emotional response, though the nature of that response remains ethereal and ineffable. That is what I find to be the root of this films charm. Of course that perceived quality may have more than a little to do with the ridiculously large dose of ayahuasca I ingested before watching it. Now that I think about it, everything over that entire 36 hour period seemed imbued with profound hidden meaning.
I thought donnie's sister was very ass-fuckable.
We need a moratorium on the phrase "frat boy." I get it when used to review, say, "Billy Madison." But when describing Richard Kelly? Why? Cause he looks like he got laid before he was successful?
This movie blows. Anyone who watched and tried to "decipher" its deeper meanings is just retarded. This movie is confusing on purpose because the director couldn't commit to a coherent idea. It's easier to say "you just don't understand" then actually come to the realization that there is truly nothing here worth understanding. The only word I can use to describe this movie is vapid. Sure it looks pretty and Jake is SO angsty, but you can't polish a turd. They sure did try though….
The real misunderstanding about this film, I suspect is credit. Critics and such are duty bound to praise the juxtaposition of music and other things, but comparing the short and long versions; that one is a weirdly resonant elegy to lost opportinuty and time and the other is a heavy handed timecube-esq babble. If this means the director doesn't understand the movie it suggests to me that in the first instance *someone* did. But who? First guess is probably the editor. Who ever it is, Kelly probably owes them his career. It wouldn't have lasted beyond the director's cut seeing the light of day first (unless it was an episode of Serial Experiments: Lain).
Hell maybe Drew Barrymore knew what was going on, and knew to stay clear of Southland.
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overrated. vis a vis Kelly's subsequent smozzles. It was clearly a fluke, there were some nice homages: Donny's kubrick-esque stares were my favourite. There were some very good performances: Katharine Ross, McDonnell, Swayze, jena malone, james duval but there were some shit ones as well: wyle, barrymore but on the whole it was another of those college aimed think-pieces for people who don't think much. Incidentally that pissy mad-world cover got to number one at christmas in the UK.
Guys. This website is so filled with smug self satsified hatred, I am actually being driven back to AICN, where at least they don't think everyone is dumber than them, they are just stupid. You pushed your luck chud, and this feature is unpleasant and dunderheaded in the extreme. It's your moment of hubris where you finally stepped over the line into fanboy geekdom masked by outrageous cynicism. The contempt for the arts you claim to love is palpable and more than I can bear. Could you just stop? If there is not ONE MORE of these, I may stick around. But otherwise, I guess it's only Dark Horizons for me. Thank you chud, for ending this enjoyable part of my day, looking up movie news and rumors. Now, I can;t do it because the sites are either retarded (AICN) or hateful (you). You guys are bad people. Vandals. Aimless nonconstructive atless criticism, hatred masked as love.
So people challenge your views. Cause you to think twice, so you call them smug elitists and leave? Good riddance. Go play with the dumb. You obviously have nothing to add. As for Darko, I consider it one of the special ones. Even if Kelly only had only the one in him, he made something more magical than most anything this decade. What does it all mean? Who cares?
Donnie died for us!!!! Show me a person who doesnt like Donnie Darko-I'll show you someone with no imagination, or heart.
I only ever saw this film once and while I enjoyed it, it always seemed to me to be just another Star Trek story painted over with clever “Hot Topic” dialogue and imagery. Look at how that paints me as a huge fucking nerd. Ouch.
Donnie Darko is the best imitation of a David Lynch film not made by Mr. Lynch himself. Attempts to explain it waste time. Calling it "misunderstood" is a compliment….
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