There’s no bigger movie discussion on the internet right now than Avatar. Rather than throw out a bunch of Advocates this week about the film, its impact, its reception and the reaction to my review, I’ve decided to do one editorial made up of several short sections.
Like the GOP in the Bush Years
I find myself being misrepresented about Avatar. This isn’t that surprising – it’s the internet, after all, where measured reactions are suspect and everything must be boiled down to ‘It sucks!’ or ‘It rocks!’ – but it is disheartening. Jeff Wells at Hollywood Elsewhere has essentially named me and Ain’t It Cool’s Mr. Beaks the leaders of the jihad against the movie (he has an article headlined ‘Tempest In Their Souls’), when we both actually thought it was at least resoundingly okay. We also both see major problems with the film and think that the movie will not last beyond the initial dazzle of the 3D showings – Avatar is a film without depth and once the movie lives in home video its stature will almost surely decrease.
What’s frustrating about all of this is that, even if I did hate Avatar, which I didn’t, I’m standing in the minority. The critics love it, the buzz is strong and while the movie didn’t break any real records it opened well. I’m reminded of the GOP during the Bush years, when they were whining and puling despite being in complete control of the government and, for a while, having the overwhelming support of the people. It reads, to me, like massive insecurity, like people know once they come down from this high they’re going to have to face the big, dumb blue cat next to whom they’re waking up and have to make small talk and even fix it some Tender Vittles for breakfast before it finally leaves. I don’t know the last time I saw a fanbase be worse winners than the Avatar fanbase, who will apparently brook no deviation from the ‘It’s a game changer! It’s amazing! It’s wonderful! It changed my life/understanding of cinema!’ party line. Any dissent at all is tantamount to full on treason. You had best keep your problems with the design of the direhorses to yourself, or you might end up in some kind of gulag.
The latest tact is to say that those who don’t like Avatar must simply have something wrong with them. In that Wells article he has some anonymous internet commenter compare not liking Avatar to not liking Arcade Fire’s Funeral, which is kind of hilarious. If Funeral is your idea of major, ground breaking music, you must get all the songs on your playlist from car commercials. It’s a really good album, but it’s a completely mainstream, totally unchallenging record that’s tailor-made to be used in advertisements. It’s actually a pretty good comparison, I guess, as Avatar is completely unchallenging mainstream fare that requires little by way of intellectual engagement and never threatens to make one uncomfortable or even make a viewer tense, since it’s almost completely free of drama.
The Unchanged Game
Something that keeps baffling me is the heaps of praise the film is getting for its design and its FX. I’m not saying that either is bad (although I don’t personally like the designs), just that neither is particularly special. The hype machine has said that this is a game changing work of visual FX and opinions dropped right into line with that, completely ignoring truly stunning FX work like Davey Jones in Pirates of the Caribbean (I honestly thought Jones was achieved through CG-enhanced make-up) and the old Brad Pitt in The Curious Case of Benjamin Button. The Fincher film gets overlooked because it’s just not that good, but the reality is that the work done on that little old boy is beyond remarkable, and that most viewers probably couldn’t tell when Fincher was using FX, a body double or some other kind of cheat. It’s seamless in the best possible way in that you don’t even think about it.
Many people are going gaga over the world design in Avatar and the ‘immersive’ nature of the FX and the 3D. I found the 3D in Avatar to be really good… just like the 3D in Coraline. I wonder if many of the people talking about this stuff simply don’t see many films in 3D, because 3D has had a banner 2009. Coraline was spectacular, Up was delightfully subdued and artful and while I haven’t seen it, I’ve been told that Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs was eye popping. This isn’t me trying to put down Avatar – I do think that Cameron has done sublime work with the application of 3D – but it is me trying to put it all into context. And maybe to stick up for some of the guys who have been doing terrific work in the field but who don’t have the publicity machines behind them that James Cameron has.
Even setting aside my personal problems with the designs of the creatures in Avatar I didn’t find any of them all that groundbreaking. Critics have said that the world of Pandora is unlike anything you’ve ever seen and I have to wonder how much science fiction or fantasy they’ve consumed in their lives, as the world of Pandora is an awful lot like what I’ve seen. Plenty of times. That’s setting aside the fact that the animals on Pandora are just slightly weirded up analogues to real (or familiar mythological) animals on Earth – space horses, space wolves, space dragons. I thought the ice planet monster in Star Trek was more unique in design than anything in Avatar, and all the direhorses and viperwolves and whatever else could have easily been part of the menagerie in Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones. I’m not saying that the FX work on these creatures was on par – in the intervening years FX has come a long, long way – but simply that this fucker would not have looked at all out of place on Pandora:
And that jungle – yeah, it looked real, but the fact is that photoreal CG environments have been here for a while. I think that Avatar certainly improves on what has come before, but it’s no leap. It’s not a jump. You’ve sat through a dozen movies in the last two years that had invisible tiny CG effects and background elements and you never, ever noticed them. That’s the modern state of the art. The film certainly didn’t create a jungle that was unthinkable or completely alien, and making the plants glow at night – an effect that could have been achieved thirty years ago – doesn’t really count.
The faces of some of the Na’vi are impressive in their range of emotion, but I still think the Na’vi themselves are a cheat. Their faces are designed to mitigate that uneasy Uncanny Valley feeling – you’re not getting weirded out by the soulless doll problem that Robert Zemeckis keeps facing because these characters just don’t look human. It’s the same reason you don’t get weirded out by Buzz Lightyear’s face. Interestingly, it seems like Zemeckis is catching on to this – Scrooge in A Christmas Carol has a fairly cartoony face, and he works much better than Zemeckis’ previous protagonists.
To me this emperor is wearing a wife beater and boxer shorts. He isn’t naked, but he is not dressed in the resplendent finery so many think he has on. What kind of irks me about it is that Cameron walks on and gets all the credit when his movie is really just the latest stage in a long-running process of visual FX evolution.
Haters Be Hatin’
This is just a quick aside: I don’t have Twitter or Facebook so you can tell me what a dick I am for not liking Avatar enough for you. I’ll block you in a heartbeat, since those follower numbers mean nothing to me. If you want to tell me I’m a dick for not liking Avatar, feel free to email me. But just because I have a phone doesn’t mean you have the right to call me and be a jerk, and the same thing goes for Twitter and Facebook.
And for the record: this is what I do for a living. If you don’t like me broadcasting my thoughts on the biggest movie of the month, please don’t follow me. Getting annoyed that I talk about Avatar is like getting annoyed that a political pundit talks about the president. You’re missing the point.
Cameron vs Native Peoples
There’s a lot about Avatar that is over-familiar, hackneyed and trite. But what’s sort of disturbing about Avatar is the way the movie continues that old racist trope of the white man being the only person who can save the noble but still helpless savages. Annalee Newitz at io9 has written a truly remarkable blog post about it – she’s level headed, she’s smart and she gets right to the heart of the matter. Click here to read it.
Cameron vs Bigelow
One of the most interesting aspects of the awards season will be watching James Cameron going up against his ex-wife, Kathryn Bigelow, who has been getting a ton of attention for her Iraq War bomb squad movie The Hurt Locker. To my mind there’s no contest: Bigelow is the director of the year, even if The Hurt Locker doesn’t quite make my top fifteen of 2009. The film is made up of exquisitely tense set pieces, each directed with a sure hand that milks every single frame for a ton of emotion and terror. The Hurt Locker is certainly not changing the face of narrative cinema, but Bigelow has taken what could have been a fairly rote war story – hey, this guy is reckless! He doesn’t take the right precautions! What kind of a crazy man must he be, and is this the kind of crazy man it takes to fight and win wars? – and turned it into a minor masterpiece of dread. My problem with the film is that these incredible set pieces never quite come together to make a complete movie, but what she’s done in these individual pieces is often breath-taking.
Contrast that to what her ex has done – his movie is also a really rote tale, and is also made up mostly of set pieces (or in Avatar‘s case, a bunch of fucking montages). But where Bigelow is able to not only ring every drop of tension from the set pieces, she’s able to get lots of character work done. I don’t just care about the bomb exploding because it will be scary, I care about the bomb exploding on these guys. That’s what elevates a movie, and that’s where Bigelow – with a fraction of the budget that Cameron had on his extravaganza – wins. She took a standard story and some stock characters and imbued them with real life while putting them in awesome set pieces. The funny thing is that this used to be what Cameron did so well, and it’s why movies like Aliens and Terminator hold up years and years later – there’s more to them than the set pieces and the FX, there’s an honest connection to the characters that keeps bringing people back to the films. Will anyone care enough about Jake Sully to want to return and hang out with him for two hours in a couple of years? I suspect not.





108 comments
Less than enthuastic about "Avatar"? Perish the thought. I have yet to see it. The back and forth has dampened my enthusiasm. But the whole problem white guy in native culture thing has been overextended as an argument. Rudyard Kipling may have been a racist git, but there is a reason his stories of colonial derring do have held up as examples of exceptiional stories. Only an asshole would ask why the leads a white Brits in "The Man Who Would Be King". In any case, The Arcade Fire's "Funeral" is unexceptional because it is "unchallenging" and "mainstream"? Why does music have to be challenging? The Beatles were mainstream! I enjoy a bit of Ligeti now and then but not as much as, say, the The Raspberries or "The Ting Tings or Jarvis Cocker or Lily Allen. I love Radiohead, but just because Kid A is more complicated and obscure does not make more enjoyable than the delirious pop heights of the more "mainstream" OK Computer. I love the Coen Brothers, but A Serious Man left me cold in a way Lebowski o Miller's Crossing do not. Or the the fact that I feel "Speed Racer", for all its technology, has more heart and soul than a million "Slumdog Millionaire"s.
Even though it's the holidays and things are slow, you STILL have more interesting things to talk about than this shit. You've thoroughly exhausted the Avatar subject and have nothing else to say. Still, I'm sure we can look forward to you repackaging the same opinions in at least five more articles.
Thanks for the article, Devin. I've been trying to convince people for… uh, days now that the creature design in Avatar was not all that interesting. For instance: the design of the banshees (especially the giant predatory version who's Na'vi name I don't care enough to remember) is fairly clearly influence by this specific pterosaur, Tapejara (did I mention I'm studying to be a paleontologist?). http://tinyurl.com/yhfmpp9
Also those spiral plant things that disappear when Jake touches them – they look eerily similar to this extinct species of bryozoan.
And really, why are all the vertebrates on Pandora clearly hexapodal when the Na'vi have no indication whatsoever that they evolved from hexapodal ancestors?
This kind of shit is completely minor and inconsequential, of course. But when this is supposed to be so game-changing, and Cameron spends SO MUCH TIME on the flora and fauna of the world, shouldn't the designs have been a bit more game-changing?
Anyway, good article, I agree with you. (And isn't that why we read this shit anyway, to feel vindicated in our opinions…)
Oh for god's sake Devin is talking about himself and Avatar again.
Yeah, I'll echo "Zzzzzzz" – that dead horse has been beaten into a mushy paste, man.
What is the point of this?
Jesus you have problems. I don't care that you don't like it, to each their own, but you sure write an awful lot about not liking it.
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And the argument of "well, people love it NOW, but how much will you love it in five YEARS??" is so, SO sad. Do you see every movie and scrutinize them for how they may make you feel five years down the road? Because that is straight up depressing, buddy. I'm in love with a movie right now. That love may cool down the road, but I am enjoying it now.
I agree with everything Devin said… I'm tired of "follower" movies. BTW, I was a big fan of the LOTR flicks but I had serious problems with the second two films as films, and people who disliked those got roundly trashed too, so fan fundamentalism is not a new phenomenon… what disturbs me is fan fundamentalism in a manufactured fandom (thanks to 5 years of publicity/hype and raised expectations.) Nothing I've seen from Avatar so far makes me want to rush out and see it, tho I probably will eventually.
Oh yeah, the main problem I have with the film is EXACTLY the condescendingly troperrific "native peoples" storyline. Why is it that the only decent adventure film that puts native peoples in the drivers seat is Last of The Mohicans? Not a single frame of CGI in that film, but the story is better.
Oh, and the movie "Skins" which ends with a Sioux painting Mount Rushmore red in a dramatic version of that scene from Monty Python!
He's talking about it because of the stupid overwhelming response he has received for criticizing the obvious flaws in the movie. I enjoyed the movie but everything he says is true. It's another crowd pleaser by the master of pleasing crowds, chill the fuck out on the dude for having an opinion.
Please just stop. Enough, already. No one wants to hear you talk about this anymore.
Hey Devin. I think you're a sharp writer and I enjoy your reviews even when I don't agree with your opinions. But in this case I think your emotions are preventing you from seeing the forest for the trees. The Avatar movie itself is not the main issue here, surprisingly. The issue is that you have a penchant for editorial. So when a highly newsworthy film comes down the pipe, and you report the news on it, you make your subjective opinions known well in advance. Your reviews feel like foregone conclusions when you have shot-called your critique (The Dark Knight, Avatar) or praise (Watchmen, Kick-Ass) months before seeing the movie, ad nauseum, in news snippets or Devin's Advocates. There are exceptions where you did 180 turnarounds (Star Trek), but for the most part you seem to stick to your guns. You can claim to go into the film with objectivity after months of that, but you can't balk at people questioning your credibility. Something like Avatar gives its critics a lot of fodder for criticism, the faults are easy to find for anyone with a reason to look. But you are declaring these broad faults as if they are absolutes: "the 3D is not a game-changer", "the story is hollow", etc. I could just as declaratively say the opposite. Many are criticizing Avatar's story, but some really appreciate it in ways that don't feel apologetic (see Harry Knowles' defense of the "science" of the film). I for one appreciate that it follows a familiar Hero's Journey template, perhaps appropriately for the genre. It was just a good old fashioned fun time at the movies, and no amount of critical analysis will take that away from the people who appreciate it. So in conclusion, I respect that you thought the movie was merely "okay", but I think it's self-destructive for you to keep making these straw-man arguments, or feigning surprise when someone takes issue with the lack of objectivity in your opinions. Stop picking the scabs Devin, you're much more fun to read when you like a movie.
Even if everything Devin says is true, he's said it, like, 50 times already! (even before he saw the damn thing) Ain't gonna stop him from telling us another 50 times, I guess.
Thanks to reading various reviews, interviews and internet polemics, I had a pretty good idea of what I was walking into when I turned up at the cinema on Thursday morning, so I wasn't too surprised when I walked out underwhelmed a little under 3 hours later. I was, however, utterly dumbfounded that Cameron had managed to spend ten years of his life, $200+ million dollars of Fox's money, and an inestimable amount of his own time and money actually INVENTING THE TECHNOLOGY required to re-tell a story that the word 'Hackneyed' doesn't do justice to. It absolutely beggars belief.
I'm not saying I didn't enjoy parts of Avatar, I thought it was alright, but I certainly wouldn't want to sit through it again. I'd watched one trailer and read a few articles and I knew every story beat, every character arc and every plot development long before it turned up onscreen. Yes, some of the effects – in particular the landscapes – were truly stunning. Yes, the 3D was subtle, seamless and artful, when I was expecting arrows and shrapnel to be flying towards the screen every other shot. But this idea of Cameron's 'Immersive' world? Bollocks. I agree with Devin that the creature designs were poor, almost embarassingly so. The Thanator was more badass than the Alien Queen? Puh-Lease. And while the Na'vi were indeed the most expressive and photo-realisitic CGI creations I've ever seen on film, the fact that they were ten-foot tall, blue-skinned new-age cat people with hair-braids that plug into the earth meant that I could never, not even for one second, take what I saw seriously. I'll suspend my disbelief for almost anything, but Avatar looks like a $200m kids' film, and intellectually never rises far above that low watermark. I just couldn't buy into Cameron's world.
Oh, and Devin – the Arcade Fire album you so callously write off as "a completely mainstream, totally unchallenging record that's tailor-made to be used in advertisements" is actually called FUNERAL, and it's one of the best albums of the last decade. I know you CHUD writers like to make yourselves out to be high-minded culture vultures with your references to music and literature, but if you're gonna do it, at least try not to say something totally embarassing, ignorant and uninformed.
Everyone tries to psychoanalyze people who are less than enthused about this movie – "Why DO they dislike it"? – but I never see anyone self-questioning about why they are wishing so hard for this movie to succeed. Is there some sort of ulterior psychological motive here, where the thought of Cameron not being King of the World really bugs some people deep down? (even some non Cameron groupies?)
I haven't seen this much puffing up of a good thing into a GREAT, LANDMARK, CULTURAL TOUCHSTONE, since the frothing at the mouth over the Coming of Barack Obama (and I'm a Democrat of fairly liberal leanings, myself, but let's be honest, the guy is a rather pedestrian orator and his presidential qualifications were slim).
I think people want to believe in The Second Coming of Something, and that's fine, but can we at least be honest and admit that the 3D and CGI is unusually seductive, but that script still DOES matter when assessing a Best Picture contender – and that the script and characters and dialogue are hash warmed over from past Cameron pics? And that the movie simply did not hit its box office target for the weekend?
I have not really a problem with your opinions on Avatar, if you didn't enjoy it as much as I did that kind of your problem, but I do have a MAJOR problem with your reading of Funeral. (Not THE Funeral, just Funeral) It is an extremely emotional work that was latched on by the mainstream at least 2 years after it was released. The only reason you consider it mainstream is because you probably saw it in the very same car commercial. The reason is can be viewed to you as mainstream or commercial is because it's an extremely uplifting and emotional album, which are the feelings usually manipulated by companies in advertising. Just because the album contains qualities misused by others is not a fault of the artist. If anything rip on their second album, Neon Bible, a failure of In Utero proportions. I personally find very little message and connection in that album but your read of Funeral is simply due to the environment you found it in, which coincidentally also gives you your extremely valid and valued cinematic opinions.
He is right. I probably liked it more than him but it wasn't anything more than a cool sci-fi action flick.
Devin wrote this post in response to the DEATH WISHES he's received since he wrote a review that essentially said "It's okay."
I completely agree with you, Devin. And you make some great points in comparing the world and creatures of Avatar to those found in the prequel trilogy. It's amazing that fanboys aren't picking up on this obvious fact.
But the most surprising thing to me is the fact that so many critics are rolling over for this movie simply because the effects are so overwhelming. What's so special about that?? Give the producers of VAN HELSING $400 million and then see what those effects might have looked like! Cameron had the biggest budget ever to play with; his effects better look damn good.
The effects are not the problem … the story and characters are.
I remember when batman begins came out and I thought the movie was good but could have been better at the time. Batman fans ripped me in half, stamped on my balls, then took a dump in my 18 year mouth self back then. I got it worse at 16 when I thought jar jar was better left out of attack of the clones, someone wrote a lengthy thesis on how stupid I was, kicked my 16 year old ass THROUGH THE INTERNET. Art criticism is a dangerous business, Fo shizzle, Devin. You know it better than me… That's why I'll respect your opinion. I love avatar. I think it's a masterpiece. You thought it was a good enough movie. Fair enough.
Bigelow is the DIRECTOR OF THE YEAR but her film isn't on your top 15 of this year?
Do you understand what a director does?
WTF?
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No one gives a fuck what you think outside this website, Faraci. Seriously. Have fun giving that next Seth Rogen movie a 10/10.
"But what's sort of disturbing about Avatar is the way the movie continues that old racist trope of the white man being the only person who can save the noble but still helpless savages."
It's like that worthless little shit, E.T., having to be saved by a bunch of kids, right? And to make it worse, they were *American* kids!
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But seriously… It wouldn't have changed the story one bit if the main character was an Indian guy, or a black guy, or an asian guy, or whatever.
The point here is that it was a Human Being…"being" the hero, just the same as it was Human Beings being the villains.
Oh wait, but the story *sucked*. I keep forgetting! Let's make it less generic…
Would everyone have been happier if the whole Avatar element was excised, and replaced with a Will Smith Na'Vi, and a Jeff Goldblum Na'Vi flying on to the Human's ship and uploading an Eywah virus?
I'm sick of the "follower" mentality as well, and it's had an impact on me, in that I have little to no interest in seeing this movie at all. That combined with the lackluster designs of the Nav'i to the anti-capitalist and anti-military themes, really have me in an ambivalent mood. Take that from someone who has seen every Cameron film on opening night, except Piranha 2 and now this.
Oh Look, It's devin writing about the butt hurt he's feeling because the general viewing public & internet didn't react to Avatar in the way he predicted. No King Kong reactions, good word of mouth, Good B.O and most people loving the world Jim created. This pisses devin off no end so he will rail against the movie and all its fans until that shit gets very very tired.Y'know for some one who says they liked the film, this article reads like you didn't really like it much at all.
I don't have issues with most of this article but the comment in the last paragraph regarding Aliens and Terminator bugs me. Is the character stuff really that much better in Cameron's earlier films than it is in Avatar? Because to me it feels exactly the same. I enjoyed Avatar as much as I have most of his other films. Not my favorite movies by any means but once I'll surely watched again and again whenever I flip by them. Highly watchable stuff.
I agree with Nick. I too enjoyed Avatar as much as any other Cameron film. It blew me away, and as selfish as it is, i'm really saddened that Devin didn't have the same reaction. I don't think it's empty or souless. The plot is unoriginal, but I still think that the movie has a brain, a soul and a heart. James Berardinelli's review is most in line with my own opinion of the film.
As someone who enjoys epic style pulp science fiction, I had a blast watching avatar. I don't hold anything against Devin for not liking avatar. What I do hold against Devin is, frankly, being an internet douchebag full of unwarranted self importance. From his various articles on video games as art and on japanese animation, Devin consistently comes across as someone who gets off on sounding smarter than other people and pissing on things that others enjoy.
To the people that talk about the "follower" mentality: Just because a bunch of people like a movie and you don't DOES NOT mean people are just saying they like it to be cool. This isn't fucking high school. You simply have a different opinion then they do. If you don't see it that way, then you're a "follower" in that you think it's cool to go against what the majority say JUST because the majority says it.
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@#28: Informed Opinion > Different Opinion.
Wow comparing funeral to avatar that's dumb enough, but then to piss on funeral that's just venomous, i have to say this is the reason i come to this site keep up the good work.
Oh what id give to see a Devin / James Cameron interview, or even better a boxing match.
Terminator Salvation review by Devin Faraci in Empire Magazine: 4 stars. You blame the editor. Fucking coward. Also, you still ran your name next to it.
Hey #15: In Utero kicks ass.
agree with most of what Devin said. Baffled by the comparrison between Avatar and Funeral, or why anyone would even raise it.
To be honest, the backlash stems mostly from the huge amount of hyperbole in the marketing, which, sadly was probably necessary to get butts in seats.
It's not a game changer in any remote sense.
It's not going to blow the doors off the hinges like The Matrix or Jurassic Park or Gollum, and to be frank, it's effects weren't as imrpessive as the Pirates sequals, because they looked physically real, whereas Avatar just looked like a cartoon (similar to Weta's work on King Kong).
Still, I definately ENJOYED it more than Devin seems to have.
hahaha, that's rich! You said the movie would fail and the audience wouldn't fall for the cgi but guess what? they did! and now that you've been proven wrong, you want to back pedal and say everyone will EVENTUALLY feel about the movie like you do when they get their heads out of their ass. Dude, you are beyond pathetic. I read your stuff because it's entertaining, and sometimes your view on things is worth the read, but hot damn—this shit is embarrassing. Let the people have their fun. You don't get the movie? Fine. Let the rest of us enjoy this shit. So what if you were wrong? It happens to the best of us. Cameron is king and he just prove your ass wrong!! Eat crow bitch and move on…
As to the comparison with The Hurt Locker: I think we need both movies. Not to disagree with your opinions, as they are valid, but I think we need Avatar. It is certainly a simple story, but it is a black and white space epic, and these with quality have tapered off. And I thought the story, while simple on a basic level, did indeed get more interesting the more layers you pulled back. I would suggest that another comparison would be Waltz with Bashir as to the polar opposite to Avatar. Bashir is real, gritty, and shows you what war is. Avatar lets you see another world. Both allow you to be transported somewhere else. And that is good. It is a shame we can't have Avatar, Hurt Lockers, and Bashirs every year.
Thanks Devin. I disagree with you about Avatar (I was both emotionally engaged and visually amazed), and respect your opinion. Not all of us who really loved the movie are mouth-foaming "Avatards". My opinion lies in lines with the reviews from Nick and Drew McWeeny,… but my best mate agrees more with you and Mr Beaks. This led to some fun post film arguing. It's all subjective, hey? Anyway, the haters will keep hatin' and the wold will keep turnin', meanwhile the rest of us will share our differing opinions and stay friends and realise that it takes different strokes to move the world. Peace.
While I thought Avatar was pretty amazing on a technical level, I thought it was merely okay on a storytelling level one. That said, your GOP argument is retarded. Haven't you heard: Obama's rates are plummeting and people are starting to realize that things weren't as bad as they thought in the first place. But, yeah, thanks for playing. CHUD: HOAX AND CHANGE!
I usually disagree and hate your remarks but I can't disagree with this.
Cameron had an all-risk budget and made a no-risk movie with it.
My main problem was that we were supposed to sympathise with the Navi.
I don't know how anyone from the videogame generation is expected to sympathise for CGI characters, no matter how 'photoreal' they are.
During the 'tree lopping' sequence I was borderline bored, I never had enough reason to care for the Navi, and because of that, never had enough reason to TRULY hate the humans.
This film will be swept under the rug by critics who in 6 months will have egg on their faces they'd rather not admit to.
This film is as soulless as Transformers 2, it's just not grotesque and offensive.
Hey Devin, stick to movies and forget trying to review music.
Avatar was a tragic bore. The end.
You guys are hilarious (the Cameron ball-lickers, that is… Devin has his head on straight). Pull your heads out of your asses – the verdict is still out on whether it's gonna be huge or not. The weekend BO did not reach expectations, that I know (blame it on the weather or whatever, but still). Next week is when the real test comes. I predict a large drop-off and that's when YOU will be eating your words. Movie's enjoyable and fun, but nothing to write home about.
I have officially become sick to fucking death of this topic.
I just love how Devin makes himself a topic. Get a shave and a haircut you putz.
I find it funny how you get lambasted for writing opinion pieces on your own site. More amusing to me is, were this an article about how much you loved the movie… none of these people would be pissed. They certainly wouldn't tell you to stop writing such articles. I was mildly impressed by the 3D (though I still find it annoying how blurry moving objects are when played in 3D. Consider that game unchanged), and during my second viewing I actually took my glasses off for several scenes because I was getting horrible eye fatigue. The fanfare, I think, is self denial. So many people hopped on the "this is a cinematic revolution" bandwagon before they even saw the fucking movie. Now that it's played out like a feature length 4D ride at Universal Studios, they'd probably feel silly to admit they jumped the gun. I think if more people restrained themselves and withheld judgment until they saw the flick, every one would agree that Avatar is simply okay, and that that's fine. It's like voting for President. Every one has their candidate chosen based on proposed actions and plans, and even when said candidate fails to deliver… well, they don't want to look stupid, so they stick to blind devotion as if it will overshadow the truth. As Vic Ruggiero sang, "All contentment is caused by a sense of denial". End o' story.
Devin's on the fucking nose through out his entire editorial, especially the "Unchanged Game" portion of it. I especially loved this bit right here: "What kind of irks me about it is that Cameron walks on and gets all the credit when his movie is really just the latest stage in a long-running process of visual FX evolution."
On point. 'Nuff said.
This is dumb Devin, I wish you would act like a journalist sometimes and stop doing the 'imma say what I want cuz this is my site and if you don't like it you can leave' shit. As stated, you've fucked this topic into the ground and are continuing for the hits. But you bring up valid points. Not everyone can like the film, but as a critic, which is what I suppose you're supposed to be, your job is to give an opinion to the audience, not shove it down their throat or belittle them like a grade school bully. Write an article about avatar and the public, or why people do love it: not why you hate it. We hear your opinion; so grow up and stop writing like a whiny 4 year old trying to explain why girls have cooties. Also; Armond White, purveyor of shit cinema and condemor of the great often cites films in his text to have 'backup' for his baseless insults. Much like you do. Try explaining yourself in higher form. And not being a cunt.
lol. This reminds me of Untraceable.
Usually enjoy reading articles from you Devin but you are starting to sound like a whiny spurned mistress with the hate you have for this movie. For months you have hated on it and written as much as negatively possible then you choose to come across like the victim when things dont go your way. Start writing about something else and concentrate your energy elsewhere.
Avatar does have some minor faults but I could pick apart any movie over any year if I so wish but wouldnt waste my time. Still love the magic of the movies and Avatar is possibly the finest movie experience I have had all year.
Guess what morons. Avatar is the biggest film news around. The man's job is to write about movie news. He even spelled this out explicitly in the article. QUIT FUCKING CRYING THAT A FILM WRITER IS WRITING ABOUT CURRENT FILMS!!! And learn to fucking read while you're at it so you can stop fucking embarrasing yourselves all over the fucking talkbacks you pathetic emotionally stunted fucktarded drooling nerd morons.
I completely agree Devin – I feel like everyone else is watching a different film to the one I saw.
The script is bad. Very clunky, and worthington is so bland as the lead. The world of Pandora never came alive to me – and I think this is the problem. If you you do not buy into this world – you kinda check mentally. I think some people do, and some people dont. I didnt – so found the whole film quite dull. I did not like the design of the Navi – and the spiritual mubo jumbo made me want to walk out…..I do not like this movie- and I am proud to say it 😛
"Getting annoyed that I talk about Avatar is like getting annoyed that a political pundit talks about the president. You're missing the point." – Terrible analogy. In this context, you'd be Glenn Beck – ranting and moaning about the same damn point over and over and over and over, because it's your schtick and you need the attention. There are other movies, just as there are politicians and political stories beyond the president. Instead of wasting another few thousand words reiterating the same fucking thing for the twentieth time, why not leave Avatar alone and cover more of those little movies that you complain nobody ever talks about? You're stuck in a cynical hypocritical moebius strip, writing endless articles about movies you don't want to write about, to get hits from a readership you resent for only rewarding you for writing endless articles about movies you don't want to write about. I agree with all your criticisms of Avatar, but your attempts at self-martyrdom ring hollow. If people have a vocal problem with your wayward reviewing habits, it's not always because they're mindless haters, but because – as comment #11 astutely notes – you editorialize so fucking much that you've essentially reviewed the big event movies a dozen times before they come out. That you then give passing grades and positively-skewed reviews to fucking shitpiles like The Mummy 3, GI Joe and 2012 on the flimsy basis that they're "good pulp" weakens your credibility further.
It's a classic case of the sum being greater than the individual parts. I like to sketch stuff, it's just never heroic-fantasy. So, perhaps if I'd been drawing alien creatures for years, I might have complained about the ecosystem's design (though you cannot fault its execution). As such, I find the alien environment relatable yet out-of-this-world. I might have sighed at the formulaic story or allegedly piss-poor dialogues had I been able to let my eyes "breathe" from their sensory overload. It's just that I bought it wholesale, stopped worrying and loved the bomb and came out of this film feeling elated like I seldom ever am (last time was Pan's Labyrinth or Diving Bell and Butterly but I wasn't happy for obvious reasons, rather admirative). I won't shit on the haters because there is no right and wrong when it comes to art, especially when said art is more of a visceral/ emotional experience than an intellectual one. The haters could even make the case that Cameron's just hit me silly with a sledgehammer and I'm stunned, not charmed. Except for what it kindled inside of me, which wasn't due to exhaustion or shock but to unadultered, child-like awe. I believe the haters will be the ones who will retract their initial opinions, not the other way around. This ain't PJ's King Kong (a set of uneven vignettes) or Lucas naughties crap (a full set of shit). This is the best blockbuster since The Two Towers (Return of the King was great but I'm a sucker for second acts). In any case, I really enjoy the divisiveness of this masterpiece, a good sign for any work of art IMO. I guess the Avatar "wars" will take place, Devin. So long as nobody gets hurt, it's what being a fan, or a critic in you case, is all about. If you didn't enjoy the film, you can at least enjoy the debate.
I saw it yesterday, and yeah yeah yeah, nothing is truly groundbreaking but everything is solid and works together nicely enough. I was skeptical myself with the Giant Blue Cat People at first, but apparently Cameron got the teams to keep working on them until they finally looked less cartoony — and an interesting thing happened when I did see the movie. I forgot they were Giant Blue Cat People (no really). A cheat perhaps, but it worked.
I'm still working on the concept that anyone actually listens to Arcade Fire. I really thought it was an ironic hipster thing…
How can you let Wells get under your skin? He hates everybody.
Avatar was okay, who knows when or if I'll ever see it again. That said, it was definitely better than the stinker I watched yesterday – The Hangover
I saw this yesterday and I gotta say I agree with you on a lot of things. The fx are evolutionary not revolutionary. This isn't a movie like Jurrasic Park where you walked out thinking oh my goodness!! Its was umm ok and pretty but not the best fx of the year. I reckon where the wild things are had better effects. There I said it! Mainly because they suited the film and never felt like they were shouting look at my I'm a special effect! Most of the effects in avatar seemed to be shouting look at me! Look at me! What I think this does that is wrong is it snaps you out of the hypnosis that great movies are meant to induce. It was pretty but it didn't sweep me away or hypnotise me so it didn't really do its job. I would say its worth watching but not a great movie.
The Hurt Locker was excellent, but I wish Bigelow had kept the cinematographer a little bit in check with the shaky cam work. I don't mind the shaky cam, but it was overdone in the Hurt Locker. That said, the movies was outstanding. As far as Devin and Avatar go, like we've said, his review was pretty much written 6 months ago and the fact that his ego is just as big as Cameron's is pretty amusing.
Not even going to bother reading this whole thing. Devin, writting ANOTHER story about Avatar… Dude, get the FUCK OVER YOURSELF. We all know, and heard about you at BNAT, basically stting theres, arms folded, foot tapping on the ground, looking at your watch 5 minutes into the film. YOU ALREADY KNEW YOU WERE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT NO MATTER WHAT. And you know what, that's fine, if you can allow yourself to think "this is just a movie" then dude, you got some bigger issues then your waste line. You actually form vendettas against films, which is really pathetic… look at every piece you wrote on Avatar… negative… you did the same shit with TDK, when Iron Man came out, you delcared it "the best comic book movie this summer" before even seeing TDK… which that shows how you form these biased even before the product is shown to you… your pathetic… Bring Back Nick N…. he is so much better to this site then you. Go back to doing guest spots on G4, so you can whack off to Olivia, you fat fuck
For God's sake, please let this be your last piece on Avatar Devin. I know you've been given loads of shit by people about your stance but just ignore them and move on. You're a good writer but not when you're writing about this.
It's sort of interesting how the talkbackers here complain about Devin gabbing on about AVATAR, and yet they themselves can't resist gabbing on about Devin gabbing on about AVATAR. Hypocrisy truly knows no bounds.
Congratulations, everyone. CHUD has officially reached its lowest point in 10 years. This is worse than anything on AICN. Worse than the most obnoxious blogs or invented Internet controversies. This is embarrasing, and I can't believe Nick is allowing this to go on. Let's set it straight, Devin. You either market your heroes' movies, or you detroy anything the geek culture embraces. You made up the backlash to your actual review; I was actually surprised by how balanced the response was to your backhanded treatment of what you actually saw. No, the response has been to your flood of bullshit op-eds over the past year, in which you whined and cried over how much you expected the film to suck. And what happened? The movie came out, received positive reviews across the board, and people turned out to see it. No one cared about your bile and diaper-filling tantrums over photo-realism and tropes. So now you write another opinion piece, making yourself the victim and the underdog, fighting the good fight against the brainwashed American public who watched a cartoon that you didn't like. "Worse winners than the Avatar fanbase"? NO ONE FUCKING CARES! They saw the movie and enjoyed it, and you're throwing a tantrum that not enough people are paying attention to what you have to say. I haven't seen it, but everything I've heard promises a fun time at the movies, with people enjoying it for what it is. Most of the "game-changing" bullshit is coming from negative, spiteful Internet reviews. Compare all of this to the movies you've actually liked. Watchmen was a bloated, boring film, yet you spent a year feeding us hype over every script and set detail, and when the film didn't set the world on fire, you wrote multiple articles complaining that people didn't "get it", that the world wasn't ready for a superhero film of that magnitude. Basically, throwing a tantrum in the other direction. We get it. People have to like the films you like, and hate the films you hate, and there's no room for interpretation or opinion. The problem is, your overwhelming self-importance and inability to handle dissenting opinion make this site painfully obnoxious to visit. Please just go off and do your own thing. You can Twitter and Facebook and have complete control over your own message board. Just stop poisoning the well over here. The talkbalks aren't a bunch of angry trolls. People are just generally tired of your bullshit.
I love how people get the impression that this article is an attack on Avatar. Did any of you actually read Devin's article? 90% of the comments above attacking this article have completely and totally validated Devin's point. Congratulations for making your nemesis smell like roses.
@#63: Try reading your little spiel back to yourself, but instead of Devin imagine it's about you. At least Devin has the knack of engaging people in debate. You're just an annoying creep who thinks he speaks for the entire internet apparently.
I find it odd how these comments appear near New Moon and Avatar and this article and past ones complain about too many complaints.
That doesnt make sense. It's the internet…your gonna get backlash over everything. Maybe you should cut back on the outlets for people to hassle you if its too much?
I like this site…I do. I usually agree with the reviews here. I feel like what I love about films gets noticed and embraced/mentioned in those reviews.
Its YOUR site. who gives a shit? You dont need to prove yourself to anyone. But as a reader, relentlessly justifing your opinion gets tiresome. Im sorry.
devin, agreed. there's very little about avatar that's original but that's not its biggest problem. the thing that kills it for some of us that the story is told in such a pedestrian way
Devi:
I'm writing this even though you will not post it. 1. You must feel such pride that Wells knows who you are. 2. For weeks you've been touting the "fail" (word of the year on the internet) of Avatar. 3. Your voice is suspect. 4. You write like Pynchon. 5. Learn to judge a movie on the the movie and not the hype, the cost, or the director's ambition. 6. Cloverfield is stupid. 7. Irony is not dead. 8. I can't wait to see you back peddle next year ojn a variety of topics. 9. Dellamorte is the only reason to come to this site. 10. I didn't even read your article. 11. I don't care. 12. Whatever you write about I don't care. 13. More Twilight articles!!!! 14. Avatar was a great time at the cinema.
Not that I care enough about the movie to want to champion it, but that statement is wrong, as I guess it broke some sort of IMAX record.
Re:Comment #3 . . . Yeah, I noticed that everything but the Navi seemed six-legged.
The irony of Devin bemoaning Cameron's inability to create something that is challenging and edgy and outside of the mainstream in his 3,000th anti-Avatar diatribe is pretty rich. This is an attempt to get hits riding the coattails of a movie everyone (for better or worse) is talking about. Devin – your sin is not disliking Avatar. Your sin is boring us with the same tired criticism over and over again. For the record, you are RIGHT. Avatar is nothing new in the story department and I'm sorry people are hassling you for feeling that way. But please get over it already. Can't we all just get along?
You know, I have the sneaking suspicion that I'm enjoying reading these wacked out discussion threads much more than I will viewing the actual movie. The internet really has turned into one giant room full of people shouting their opinions loudly – and, yes, I appreciate the irony of doing the same! For my two cents, Avatar looks like a really good movie from a director with a great track record working with a huge budget and cutting edge technology. But if you are self-promoting your film as a "game changer" than it's probably not. Like Devin said – let it be what it is, a really good, expensive sci-fi blockbuster created by a skilled artisan. And enjoy. Nothing wrong with that.
Great points, great article. The movie is visually spectacular but the story is lacking. There's no need to team jersey the film. Next year some of you will be the same ones that overcompensate for your excessive lavishing of compliments, and proclaim it sucks. It does neither. It's an average story made all the more visceral and engaging thanks to the hundreds of tireless FX workers who slaved laboriously for years. Thanks for dressing up an otherwise forgettable tale.
negative feedback is the future of the internet, Devin.. please don't feel the need to justify your opinions for every movie that comes out or you will go insane. the mainstream cannot comprehend your thoughts anyway.. wait 10 years for another Redlettermedia critique of Avatar on youtube.. btw, hire them immediately..
"maybe to stick up for some of the guys who have been doing terrific work in the field but who don't have the publicity machines behind them that James Cameron has"… Like Up, Coraline, and Cloudy which have been ALL OVER TV. Seriously, you are not championing independent movies, you are championing people on the same level as Cameron, you just don't like Cameron and the view from inside your own ass is really taking it's toll. My friends that have seen it, who are not movie geeks said that it was a "visual orgasm" and "best movie going experience ever". Suck it Devin, you were so wrong, and you can never admit you are wrong. Eat some crow once and awhile and you won't get so much hate. This article just solidifies that you have ulterior motives when you write reviews, and you evlauate them based on predisposed biases. Oh and it was quite obvious what was CGI in Benjamin Button. Fincher is so "masterful" that he has to keep young Benjamin in shadow, cause he knows it would look like shit if he tried to do it full on. Kudos to Cameron for having the balls to go where other directors are scared to go. You lose….. Kathryn Begelow has 2 maybe 3 ok movies, don't even start with that shit cause she made one really good one after many shitty ones. Great job, you didn't suck for once…. now you are better than Cameron.
I can't wait to see Devin's next article about how it's wrong/stupid to see Avatar more than once in theaters. Get over yourself you fucking cry-baby.
Avatar sucked! There I said it. Nice effects do NOT a movie make. Script, etc. is much more important and I thought Cameron hired some 13 year old to get this piece of shit. I am a veteran of the US Special Forces and this was grossly insulting in so many ways I cannot say. It depicts military and white people (talk about racist overtones-look at it from that perspective people!) as genocidal assholes with absolutely NO redeeming value except it isn't some fantasy world-it is very clearly stated these are MARINES and they had action on EARTH in Cameron's future. This over the top cartoonish depiction is on par with WWII cartoons of slant-eyed Japanese and Nazi propaganda against Jews-except it's "politically correct" for Cameron. It was "politically correct" to do those too in their day… I only wish Cameron had more creativity beyond his blue cat people! I have a very good friend who is Native American and is VERY active in their community and she was pissed at this amateurish demonization going on. As she said: "This was like watching a cowboys vs. indians film from the 30's with all the cultural sensitivity towards the "bad guys" that they had then-except this time the bad guys were the white guys.. but the stereotypes were just as hackneyed, bad and plain insulting. It's NOT okay to do the same thing but pat yourself on the back about your "message"." I agreed with her wholeheartedly. Plus this fucker is an hour too long!!!!
I've seen Avatar twice in theaters, both times in IMAX in fact. I have to say that this film has shattered my preconceived notions of what CGI can offer when used correctly (unlike the Star Wars prequels, in which it was a hinderence to the story, more than anything). I was thoroughly impressed by it and have been recommending it to everyone who asks me about it. Is it going to supplant the LOTR films years down the line as a geekdom fanboy favorite? I do not think so, because the story does not hold up with what Tolkien was able to conjure. But from a technical standpoint, it will be talked about for years to come.
Well-written piece. Man, you got some serious traffic on this one.
Damn boys Devin will block you from Twitter in a heartbeat! That shit is HARDCORE! Having said that, Jeff Wells is a psychotic prick.
[quote]Avatar is a film without depth[/quote]
This is the point a lot of people will disagree with you on. It's your main argument, but you state that like it's settled. And it's not.
Hey Devin, like everyone I think you're really on point at times, and a complete putz at others, but I was most struck and nodding my head to your wrap-up regarding Bigalow & Hurt Locker. That was a great movie, and you hit the nail with how she dealt with people we care about in tense situations. I was certainly holding my breath and sitting forward.
Devin, nice job on riling up the commoners! The crying of vapid fanboys everywhere lulls me to sleep at night.
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Feel free to continue writing about Avatards.
Devin, dude, I love you man but you gotta stop writing these things. I know that people have been going full retard on you over Avatar but please shut the fuck up and maybe they'll stop. Constantly writing about how its mediocre is going to translate as "I hate this shit" to nerds.
And Primer had more depth than Star Trek, what the fuck is your point?
Not sure Arcade Fire's "Funeral" is considered mainstream at all, buddy. Have you listened to the crap on the radio lately? "Funeral" is nothing like that – it's overrated, pretentious pop music…but not mainstream pop music. Their next album will most likely be mainstream.
Anyways, i like Avatar but i agree with you on some points (weak story, marginally imporved CGI), namely that it wasn't revolutionary as it was touted to be, but i will admit that it suceeded in getting me interested in seeing movies in 3-d. Sorry, Coraline just didn't do it for me.
Primer!!!! Everytime someone mentions that film, I need to give a shout out.
Great friggen film. Oh, I dug Avatar too. But Primer rules all!
As for these Articles, I don't see the big deal. It bugged me at first, but there's so many blogger/critics/forums it's just one voice in the sea of 1' and 0's. I think arguments are fine, but grouping people into clusters and labeling them is far from constructive criticism. It's also not constructive to fire back with name calling with absolute venom.
Whatever. As the dude says, "That's like your opinion man". Heh
It comes off more insecure when you feel the need to defend your opinion. It's the internet. Everyone attacks everyone. The trick is to not spend so much time defending your opinion. State it and move on. Otherwise you're just fueling the debate. Unless that is the intention, but it seems more like annoyance at being attacked.
"The latest tact is to say that those who don't like Avatar must simply have something wrong with them." This is the most pathetic type of argument you can throw out and it oozes with ignorance. It's also as lazy as reviewing a movie as boring or pretentious. This film has certainly brought out the worst of the internet worst. I dislike any damn movie I want, you psychotic bastards!
Bravo! I totally agree with everything you have said. I liked things about avatar, and i hated others. Overall it was a fun movie but nothing that I felt was changing my life. I think it sucks though that people get soo bent out of shape when someone doesnt agree with their fanaticism that they need to hate on you. If everyone had the same opinion it would be a boring world out there.
And to the people that say stop writing about how mediocre it is just so the fanboys will stop is a rediculous thing to say. It is preciseley why we have so many nutjobs out there today, both politically and in life. Because no one calls them on their BS and thinks just letting them go on their way to avoid confrontation is the right way to go. That just leaves the nutjob to think he is completely in the right and feel justified when they act even nuttier the next time someone dare speak against their opinion.
People need to grow up and understand that we can have different opinions and discussion without being assholes about it. Who knows, maybe we will all learn something.
I apologize for the haste I wrote this, but I am out the door for a trip.
You don't have to defend yourself Devin the movie was rubbish.
You know, I'm more interested in reading Devin's opinions on The Hurt Locker and what movies were better than it this year than listen to more Avatar stuff. Whether anyone loved it or hated it, I think opinions will change over time so let's not act as if one weekend or one critic defines the entire conversation.
i think your article is right on point. i saw this film and thoroughly enjoyed it. it was fun and exciting and a marvel to look at, but please, this is just a film that had an exceptional roster of people ( and an abyss filled with money ) working on it. for the film to look anything less and perfect would have been ridiculous. all these tools are out there, all they did was up the ante with the efx.
"The latest tact is to say that those who don't like Avatar must simply have something wrong with them." This from the man who is always first to suggest that there's something "suspect" about people whose tastes and opinions don't jibe with his own. Kind of sucks when people turn the lazy armchair psychoanalysis on you, huh?
well i haven't seen 'avatar' but you're just plain wrong about the arcade fire thing. you can actually provide proof that the arcade fire is way more than just music to be used in mainstream car commercials. didn't you see the 'where the wild things are' trailer? that should be enough proof right there.
devin continues to be an idiot.
Songs from Arcade Fire's "Funeral" album were used in car commercials? I don't remember that. Could be wrong. I do remember, however, the song "Funeral" by Band of Horses being used in a car commercial. Last commercial I heard with anything from Arcade Fire was for "Where the Wild Things Are." And anyway, Arcade Fire's "Funeral" may not be intellectually challenging, but it certainly stirred my emotions when I heard it the first time and on subsequent occasions. Spike Jonez said he listened to the album a lot while working on "Where the Wild Things Are." I guess that makes Mr. Jonze, the director of one of your favorite movies of the year, Devin, a lackwit who doesn't like to be intellectually challenged and likes to get his playlists from car commercials.
I can't wait till Avatar is out of theaters so that Devin will stop talking about it.
If you guys love Avatar so much, why don't you marry it?
I'm sick of mindless spectacle. I'm going back to Tarkovsky.
For a movie that you claim "requires little by way of intellectual engagement and never threatens to make one uncomfortable or even make a viewer tense," it sure has incited some rather intense debate, raised the ire of quite a few people (just browse the comments following this article), and motivated you to write this lengthy article.
Hence, the fact that this level of virulent and divisive discourse IS occurring disproves your claim that the film lacks intellectual engagement, tension, and unease.
But the Pod Race was cool.
If Avatar is so great, then the fans wouldn't care what anybody thinks about it. They know it mediocre at best, but since they have been brainwashed by all the repetitive hyperbole from the past 3 months. It's now second nature for them speculative-fanboi-fantasy-hype had become fact. Most of the Transformers 2 fans don't care if people didn't like it. They like it for what it is and didn't resort to death threats and childish retard mongoloid shit abuse. Same thing for Twilight fans.
Have you read this guys review for Terminator salvation?lol.He has as much credibility as Robert Deniro in Rocky and Bullwinkle.
Why are there like 30 articles on one website about how underwhelming this movie was? Someones feelings must have been hurt to result in this ceaseless fodder. In any case, the behemoth from the Mist could annihilate every creature on Pandora.
i don't have anything really profound to say, i just wanted to be on this extremely long list… oh and i do prefer subconscious monsters from the id over stubborn blue cg creatures.
Saw avatar in 3d the other day and liked it quite a bit.I don't know how it will hold up on a repeat viewing, but the movie is still lingering in my mind. that is usually a good sign for me. peace!
Just saw it at matinee today, in IMAX.
I have to say most of what I was thinking while watching, you have put into words. Still dont get why people are giving u shit about it?
Wait, so the creatures in Avatar are less unique than the ice monster in Star Trek that actually made my friends and me laugh? Which couldn't maneuver in snow or on ice, doesn't look like it should survive more than 10 minutes on an ice planet, and is obviously there just to chase Kirk, since it doesn't seem to have anything that makes it seem like part of the environment of the planet, except being on the planet?
I admit I haven't seen the movie yet but from what I have seen and read there is another aspect to this movie that I haven't seen brought up: it's almost legally-infringing similarity to Midworld by Alan Dean Foster. You would think JC would have learned his lesson about getting sued by authors when the master, Harlan Ellison, went after him for ripping off Demon with a Glass Hand when making Terminator. But then again, maybe when I do see the movie it won't so obviously look like a mono-climate tropical world exploited by a human corporation while the natives look on in bewilderment….hmmm.
P.S. He should have just adapted Midworld since that jungle was miles fucking deep!
I get a major Ewok vibe from Avatar's ads.
How similar is it to Return of the Jedi's second half?
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