Somehow Anchorman 2 can’t get made. Despite being the sequel to a huge cult classic, and despite featuring three actors who most of our readers would consider ‘famous,’ Paramount has opted not to throw money into the future adventures of Ron Burgundy.
This looks like the latest sign that the bloom is off the comedy rose. For a while there the movie comedy landscape was great – there were smart, funny, raunchy movies being made with incredible ensembles and new stars were rising almost weekly. But lately the surefire formulas that put Judd Apatow and Adam McKay into the mainstream haven’t been working quite the same. And many of the newly minted stars are looking like they’re not really stars at all. And meanwhile, Kevin James keeps making lots of money.
I’ll pretty much bet that the Adam Sandler/Chris Rock/David Spade/Rob Schneider/Kevin James shitstorm Grown Ups makes more money than better, funnier movies starring the likes of Jonah Hill, Michael Cera and Danny McBride. I wouldn’t be shocked if it wildly outgrossed the very excellent looking The Other Guys. And in fact I’ll bet that those other non-Sandler movies will mostly underperform. What the heck happened? I think it’s three things:
– Oversaturation. How many movies have there been from ‘The Guys Who Brought You Superbad?’ Too many. How many movies can Will Ferrell appear in? Most of them, it seems. What’s the biggest hurdle facing Scott Pilgrim vs the World? The fact that audiences are sort of sick of seeing Michael Cera. In the five years since The 40 Year Old Virgin there have been 11 films that have been branded as “Judd Apatow” movies. I think probably 10 of those 11 are at least really, really good, but that’s still a flood of films. Interestingly Apatow has backed off lately; Get Him to the Greek may be sold as a “From the Guys Who” movie, but he doesn’t have anything else in the immediate pipeline until the 2011 Kristen Wiig film, which is outside of his ‘brand’ enough to feel fresh. Apatow has a bunch of other movies in various stages of development, but I bet 2010 is a pretty quiet year for him, one where he lets his name rebuild some meaning. But is it too late?
– Not ready for primetime stars. I really like Jonah Hill. I think he’s very funny, I think he’s smart and I think he’s a nice person in real life. I’m not convinced he’s a movie star yet. There’s been a trend to throw promising young comic actors right into the spotlight in the last few years as opposed to growing them in supporting roles. The problem that Michael Cera faces right now is that he’s been thrust out as a leading man when maybe the audience wasn’t quite craving that from him just yet. It’s not a good sign when your film career is about three years old and people are tired of seeing you already; the key to building new talent is to leave audiences wanting more from them. Audiences should see a performer’s name in the credits and be excited about having them onscreen, not dreading a return of their schtick. Look for Zach Galifianakis to be the next guy whose name in a casting announcement draws groans. Of course it’s hard to judge these things – Eddie Murphy blew up pretty much immediately, but not every comic is Eddie Murphy. The latest ‘new discovery’ who seems like he’s doing it right is Aziz Ansari; by appearing on a weekly TV series (aka the Steve Carell Method) he’s allowing audiences to get to know him before jumping into a leading feature role.
– The mainstream audience is stupid. And here’s the most damning part of all. The reality is that the great comic actors and filmmakers who have blossomed over the last few years are frankly too smart for the mainstream. I think it’s undeniable that Jody Hill is a genius, but he’s not the kind of genius who sells tickets. At least not enough tickets to justify a big budget feature. And that’s too bad because I think Hill’s smart, dark sensibilities would real blossom with some money behind them. But the tale is in the tape when it comes to the competing mall cop movies: Observe & Report, a truly brilliant, subversive and thrilling comedy, made off with $24 million. Paul Blart raked in $143 million. The reality is that the ‘alternative’ comedy guys will always be more interesting, more fun, and smarter… but that’s not what the flyover states want in their comedies. They don’t want to think, they don’t want to be challenged, they don’t want the unfamiliar. Judd Apatow and the mainstream briefly met each other for a couple of years, but Funny People indicates the mainstream isn’t willing to follow Apatow wherever he wants to go, especially if he’s going places that are dark and meaningful. Danny McBride is an incredible comic actor, but it appears that the mainstream doesn’t really ‘get’ him.
There’s sort of a subset to that last one, by the way: many of these filmmakers and actors are taking risks right now. They got some money and they got some clout and they’ve actually begun using it. Observe & Report is a great example; while I’m disappointed it didn’t do better I can’t help but think no one who made the movie expected it to really explode. Seth Rogen had a moment in time when he could get that movie made and he took that moment and ended up with a great movie that didn’t connect with the multiplex. It’ll be interesting to see what he does if The Green Hornet suffers the same fate. Step Brothers is a movie that almost continuously alienates the audience, while Land of the Lost was a $200 million film apparently aimed at about .7% of the population. Apatow also took a chance with Funny People, and David Gordon Green is using the power he got from Pineapple Express to make Your Highness, which is surely going to be the weirdest movie of 2011. It features an anatomically correct naked minotaur, after all. So it isn’t just that the mainstream audience is stupid, it’s that these guys have made conscious decisions not to go after them with their latest projects.
But Hollywood’s memory is short. If Get Him to the Greek doesn’t work and Grown Ups does, expect to see a shift back to the toothless, stupid, ‘yelling is a punchline’ comedy films of the 90s. I’m glad that these guys took their moment and did work that they believed in and that was great. I just hope that it wasn’t their last moment. It’s been fun looking forward to big screen comedies again.
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i thought that pumping out unnecessary sequels movies was a bad thing? why make those legitimately funny people re-hash the same roles? and jokes? comedy sequels never work. i challenge you to name one that was even close to as good as the original. you *might* have a legit point on comedies hitting some kind of wall. but the failure or anchorman 2 to materialize is not convincing evidence of that.
We just got Hot Tub Time Machine a few weeks ago. It underperformed, but it'll find an audience on DVD. I'm just saying things aren't dire yet, and good comedy is out there if people were willing to look. But I agree that a movie like that would have been more successful had it not been for an oversturated market. It wasn't an Apatow joint but I'm willing to be a lot of people grouped it in with such.
It's ironic that yelling was literally a punch-line in Anchorman, but I get what your saying.
I agree with you EXCEPT… Observe and Report was terrible. TERRIBLE.
Another "it didnt do well at the box office cause people just dont GET IT" rant.
Maybe Observe and Report sucked? In fact it very bland and yet I am very much a fan of the people you listed above (McBride/Gervais etc) Attempt number 2
Hey Dev. I'm in a "fly-over state" and I loved Observe and Report. I wouldn't touch Paul Blart with a 10-meter cattle prod. And Funny People was terrible. Comedy is subjective.
Honestly, I feel the nature of true comedies died in the 90's. Now we get (ugh, I hate saying it) dramadies or lazy attempts with extremely lame spoofs. I mainly point the finger at the likes of Will Farrell, Judd Apatow and directors who let their stars ad lib ad nauseum.
This is the probably the best comedy ever made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDAMlor9zxE
Yeah, sorry, Observe and Report sucked. And Seth Rogen can't be that great of an actor if every character he plays is a variation of an obnoxious asshole. Seriously, comparing Observe and Report to fucking Taxi Driver is just ignorant.
I've seen/heard three different audiences openly SNEER at the Scott Pilgrim trailer in the past weeks. I have never seen people turn on an actor like that before in my entire life. I would be very afraid for Michael Cera's career right now.
#9: rogens character was (much to my surprise) far more complex than 'obnoxious asshole'. and the comparison to taxi driver is apt – even if you didnt care for the movie, how can you deny the similarities / homages? seems like jody hill was pretty upfront and on-the-nose with them.
I still feel, while formulaic at times, Todd Phillips' The Hangover was the best of both worlds. Box Office Smash AND Quality.
Get Apatow out, throw that money behind Todd Phillips. That film was better than all 11 Apatow vehicles.
Observe and Report is one of the most offensive, stupid, and pointless movies I've ever seen. There is nothing even slightly subversive about "hhaha, she's such a dumb slut that she LIKES getting raped!"
And what's even more gross is that in Seth Rogen's mind, he didn't film a rape scene at all. Semi-coherent mumbles is consent as far as he is concerned, according to interviews he did for the film.
Also, Funny People was awful and shockingly self indulgent. Dewey Cox is nih unwatchable, the Owen Wilson movie was even worse. In fact, the only 2 Apatow productions (not director) that I've liked have been Forgetting Sarah Marshall and The TV Set.
Also, Land of the Lost is GENIUS.
Observe And Report had the unfortunate luck to come out after Paul Blart. There was no way that movie would've connected after the dumb dumb version beat it to the punch two months beforehand. Will Ferrill definitely over saturated himself in the last five or so years. It didn't help that most of the things he did were either outright garbage, or things most folks can wait to watch on HBO. Whatever the case may be, I think Devin is being a bit of an alarmist here.
Good article…. I have nothing snarky to ad, but… I will say that Observe and Report is actually the best Seth Rogen movie by far. Definitely one of the funniest movies I have seen in a long long time. I never hated Rogen, but I never liked his schtick that much either. If all his movies were like O and R, I would like the guy a whole lot more.
Every formula runs itself dry eventually, and these guys (Ferrell/McKay/Apatow/Rogen/Cera/Phillips/Rudd/Green/Hills both Jody & Jonah) have been putting out a lot of movies. Like, a LOT of movies. The saturation thing is thebest point here: unstructured improv was great and refreshing back when they started doing it, but lately I'm feeling like improv is mostly just a crutch–they've leaned on it too much. So what I'd really like is to see that crew (someone, anyone from that crew) make a movie where every line is scripted in advance.
Hey, it wasn't just flyover country that igonred "Observe & Report" it was every state in the union. And every country on the planet for that matter.
Fuck Adam Sandler. And fuck anybody who says "flyover states." People on the coasts have total shit taste too.
Devin, good article, but stop embarrassing yourself and dragging everything you write down by trying to convince people that "Observe & Report" is a good movie.
It's not. It's actually pretty childish, plain and stupid.
Don't be a dick, Devin. You had me until you mentioned the 'flyover states'. There are plenty of redneck dipshits in LA, Boston, NY, SF etc, they just look like douchebags, unlike the average person in the mid-West. The whole fucking country ignored "Observe & Report", including every single 'smart' person I know.
It's not saturation or anything. Good comedy relies on the unexpected, the surprise after the set-up. We know get the whole beta-male shtick. We now get the gross-out shtick. No surprises equal few laughs, regardless of where you happen to be geographically.
now if you'll excuse me, I need to go buy some Ed Hardy t-shirts and get my eyebrows waxed.
if you can't see why observe and report and funny people are well-made, then you are, in fact, stupid. you're basically saying they are not to your tastes, but instead say they "suck." anyone who can't discern between quality and taste are one step up from the short bus, in my worthless opinion. oh and devin, don't forget that you live in a red state like the rest of us "flyovers." fair is fair.
Devin Faraci: Everything sucks becuase I don't like it.
I think comparing O&R's (which I absolutely love) box office take to Paul Blart's is kinda moot given that one's a hard R, black comedy, and the other is a PG family film, but I agree with your main point about the state of comedy right now. Also, I've pretty much given up on Sandler films since Anger Management (I'm not counting his more atypical films like Punch Drunk Love and Funny People) so I've only had the trailers to judge how bad they are, and Grown Ups, without hyperbole, looks like worst Sandler movie possibly ever. It doesn't matter though, it will still gross $100 mill+ and he'll be back next year with the same crappy product.
Comedy sucks because of the lack of originality and the reliance upon trash talk and cheap shock. "The Hangover" worked because even though it was an old-fashioned R-rated frat boy comedy it had a pretty original premise and a great cast. "Observe and Report" was okay, but people were already tired of Seth Rogen. He's not a leading man and shouldn't be given a movie to carry. He's awesome in movies like "The 40 Year Old Virgin" or "Superbad" because he's not the star. He can be obnoxious onscreen for 1/3 of the running time and you don't get tired of him. Same with Jonah Hill. "Scott Pilgrim" looks like horrible, smug, urbanite, iPeople trash. Seriously, anyone who is actually anticipating that hipster nonsense, please chemically castrate yourselves. You're the smug, hipper-than-thou equivalent of juggalos.
Observe and Report was kind of amazing. Most people are in fact frighteningly stupid. Fuck the fly-over states. Oh and fuck Kevin James too. That asshole should be ashamed of himself stepping into the Farley role in a movie starring the late man's peers who are each of them, even Spade, way more talented than James could ever hope to be. James could hump miles of mall floor and never come close.
You should have mentioned how lame The Hangover was.
Every Comedy should be only made by Broken Lizard, then we'd all be happy happy people living in a land full of laughs and gumdrop dreams.
Also I loved Observe and Report and love Kevin James, go figure.
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Look, you fat delusional California snob, THIS white republican, christian (small c) in Michigan, aka "Flyover country" loved Observe and Report and recognized Mall Cop for the formulaic tripe it was and, unlike you, never subjected my self to it. Wanna do some research? Get back to me on the per capita in New York, California, and "Flyover Country" on who saw Mall Cop. We'll meet at our respective sushi bars and you can send it to me from your (I have no doubt) iPhone.
Did someone from Hitfix send all you cunts over here or something? If you don't get movies like Observe and Report, then just fuck off somewhere more mainstream and in-tune with your tastes. @#13 & 29: You're not meant to actually "like/love" O&R because of what happens in it. The filmmakers actually realize this stuff is fucked-up and wrong. Get a fucking brain.
I saw O&R in theaters twice, and convinced two friends to see it with me the second time. I think that means I successfully marketed that movie more than anybody, and I'll take my cut of the DVD money now thank you very much. Also, I live in Kansas, the most fly-overy of fly-over states. Sorry, not everybody can live in New Los York Angeles.
Wow, yet another Faraci "LOOK AT ME, I GET IT..YOU DON'T" diatribe laced with elitist vitriol. Your musings come off as sad little pitches aimed at inflating your self-worth. We get it, you were ostracized from the "mainstream" your whole life, so instead of eating a bullet you convinced yourself that "they" just don't understand and that your operating at some higher level of consciousness. Save it for the shrink's couch instead of using this site as a soapbox to raise your self-esteem.
O&R and Funny People are mediocre.. Funny People was 45min too long, period (comedies DO NOT last 2.5+HOURS, dark or not). Observe drowned in PaulBlarts wake, not that it had sturdy legs to begin with. Though Kevin James was the only redeeming quality in Blart, he at least went for as many laughs as possible, like any decent comedy.. Observe took a notion of seriousness a little too far and choked any good comedy to a minimum.. If anything these are stepping stones to better comedy endeavors, not the end of the world. Apatow seems like the kind of guy that will make these sure-fire bank films so he can take a chance on another film..
Devin's right about almost everything in this article. There was a real comedy drought in the 90's (the "family comedy" years) until Anchorman, and Old School came along and kicked the movie industry in the pants. and yes, I realize I am almost single-handedly crediting Will Ferrell with saving movie comedy. So what?
the thing with Anchorman 2 is probably a number-crunching deal between Paramount and Dreamworks, who co-produced the first movie. I'm guessing Paramount would have had to pay a chunk of cash to Dreamworks if they made it, and the accountants couldn't make that work. You know, what with David Koechner's huge salary and all.
A real shame, but I'll say again, if you haven't seen Wake Up Ron Burgundy, and you're a fan of Anchorman, you're missing out on a lot of cherce bits.
Observe & Report was brilliant? Really? That's ridiculous. I think a lot of the nerd-type reviewers love the movie because they can shout "TAXI DRIVER!!! I CAN MASTURBATE TO THE IDEA THAT I AM GETTING A REFERENCE TO A FAMOUS FILM!" It was a hideous abortion. Also, Devin, please give up on the phony Fortune Teller of Film pose … McWeeny sucks at it, and so do you, and you have absolutely no idea what the future of Galifiniakis' career is. You sure didn't predict the wide disgust with Michael Cera, in fact you were raving about the Scott Pilgrim trailer not too long ago.
So wait, is Devin saying he's seen Grown Ups and The Other Guys? I can't figure out why he's complaining about futurre events that may or may not take place. Slow news week?
I'm awaiting a first ever "I Came" out of 10 from Devin for Scott Pilgrim, followed by a "The Devin's Advocate: You're All a Bunch of Ignorant Fucks With Shitty Taste in Movies, and That's Why Scott Pilgrim Failed and Why It's Your Fault That Comedy is Dead" after it opens in 4th place for the weekend. Two weeks later, Devin will give Piranha 3D a perfect score and Universal will have given half of Scott Pilgrims screens to Nanny McPhee Returns….
The reason the whole Apatow-McBride-WeirdWill Ferrel brigade doesn't connect with audiences has very little to do with the mainstream being stupid as it does with their unwillingness to embrace the dark, bizarre, and/or druggie comedies that those guys want to make. Yeah, Eddie Murphy was a quickly embraced star, and look at how safe (in comparison) his early hit movies were.
You love Jonah Hill but think most moviegoers are stupid? Devin Fail.
Observe and Report was 50% terrible, 50% ok. Rogen is still aces. Will Ferrell's only good movie is Stranger than Fiction. Yes, his ONLY good movie. Anyone who boos/sneers/scoffs at the Scott Pilgrim trailer is a dumbass. That is all.
I dig the O&R-type, tonally-all-over-the-place dark comedies, but somehow I also liked Zohan. That said, this trailer is either the worst marketing disaster of the year or indicative of an truly unfortunate experience
The fact that "Anchorman" is being referred to by Devin as some touchstone of comedy is horrifying. "Anchorman" was a bunch of lame SNL skits with an unbelievably large budget. Why is Devin asking why Anchorman 2 won't get made? As if it were groundbreaking, edgy, intelligent comedy? WTF? Way to display that Devin has absolutely no idea what makes something funny. Who finds that movie funny, beer chugging frat guys after a full pitcher in each of their stomachs? Hideous, hideous, hideous.
Hmmm, looks like I just stumbled into Crybaby Central over here. Why don't all you cwybabies wun home to mama if it hurts your poor pwecious feewings to wead Devin Fawaci's Advocates? Go on now … run along. You've embarrassed yourselves quite enough for one day.
Yes, we've embarrassed ourselves tremendously and we have much to be ashamed of, "Unknown User", if that IS your real name. You wouldn't be too embarrassed to post anonymously, I'm sure of it.
so embarrassed THAT you would post anonymously is what i meant. my mistake. how embarrassing…
Well, ignoring all of the other comments with caps and blunt insults to prove how much better they are (just like I'm doing by pretending I'm better than them while still using horrible grammar), I gotta say that we still need these terrible comedies. If all that was being released was edgy/different/fringe (all used relatively loosely) by Hill, Mckay/Ferrell, and Apatow they wouldn't seem as interesting or fun. In order for a fringe to exist we need the fluffed center to wet our pallettes and keep different interesting. Also it's fun being able to pretend you're smarter than everyone else by saying you "get" something different as proven here by this article (Sorry Devin, still love your stuff) and the comments.—————–
That said, I saw an advanced, rough cut screening of Get Him To The Greek. A lot of the editing was still sloppy and they obviously hadn't finished sound design or color correction and all those fancy things, but regardless, it's not going to be that great. Aldous Snow's songs are mostly mediocre and the lyrics are blunt for comedic effect but their shock value wears off quick. It picks up about halfway through some but even though I really like Jonah Hill and love Russel Brand's character, they can't carry the movie, at least not in that cut. Also there's the cliche "I use drugs to numb my feelings, help me!!!" third act….
Enough of my bullshit, enjoy your fights.
Fuck you, Devin. Paul Blart made money in every state; hell, it made back its $26 million budget in foreign markets alone. Stupid people are everywhere, and you absolutely ruin your point (and your credibility) when you confine them to the "fly-over" states. That's just a horrible, uninformed, inflammatory thing to say and it makes you sound like a complete dumbass.
The reason Paul Blart sold is because it was PG-13. If Observe and Report was a PG-13 movie, it would have made much more money. The box office doesnt account for teenagers sneaking into other movies through a movie with alot of showtimes
Great blog man, seriously read the whole thing and agree with all of it. Personally I feel there is a lack of good comedy films and that the genre is dieing which is why I'm a filmmaker, I'm setting out to make more comedies and have read a lot of the comments above to see what people enjoy.
Just saw a screening of the new movie "Get Him to the Greek". Very FUNNY movie!
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