
This feels like coming full circle for me; I started THUD six or seven years ago, and one of the first shows I covered extensively was Lost. If you go through the archives you’ll see me as a Lost fanatic, right from the start. I had all my own theories in season one – including that Jack was gay – and I wrote a controversial-at-the-time piece saying that Lost was for the smart folks while Heroes was for the dummies. I think most people came around to my side on that one.
Now with Lost in its final hours I return to THUD and find myself so far away from the enthusiastic, fresh-faced THUD writer. I will watch every remaining moment of Lost because I’ve been on board this long, and because I felt that Battlestar Galactica, when faced with a similarly shitty final season actually pulled it off in the finale*. I’ll see it through til the end.
My problems with Lost are many, and many of those are personal – I’m the guy who kind of fell off when time travel became the centerpiece of the show in season five. I’m also the guy who can’t connect with season six because it’s a season about two godlike entities who aren’t our original characters and whose plans – and the impacts and meanings of those plans – have not been revealed to me. I think season six is one without drama; we’ve already seen Losties get off the island, so that’s not interesting anymore, and we don’t know why keeping The Man In Black on the island is a big deal, so who cares?
But no, these aren’t the reasons Lost went wrong. In fact many of you reading probably find seasons five and six to be the best yet. No, where Lost went wrong was in season three, when the show split up the main characters.
I kind of only realized this with the last new episode, when the majority of the Losties were finally reunited on the boat going to Hydra Island. All of a sudden there were characters who hadn’t shared the screen in years standing next to each other. While the end of season five sort of brought the characters together in 1977, it never made them a cohesive unit again – the DHARMA Bums were their own group and the newcomers were their own group as well. With everyone standing on that boat, all – for a moment – sharing a purpose, the group felt mostly whole.
And then they went and ruined it. But that moment was powerful for me. And it made me wonder why the hell this show has spent the last three years assiduously keeping a great ensemble cast apart? What’s the reasoning for making sure that Sawyer and Hurley – two characters who play off each other wonderfully – barely share a scene over the last three years? Why keep Sun and Jin separate for three years while also backgrounding their characters?
Interestingly this is something the show has played with from the beginning. Right at the start their was the threat of the Lostie camp breaking up into Beach and Cave factions, but the discovery of the Hatch helped keep them all together. Still, it’s almost perverse the way that the show has gone out of its way to ruin its best asset – a great ensemble that has intriguingly different chemistries between each member.
Part of that is surely convenience. The show makes sure that characters don’t share information, and the best way to make sure they don’t share information is to keep them apart. And there’s an ambition that the creators of Lost have, and the only way to make their latter season Rube Goldbergian plots work is to have the main cast as far flung as possible, spread across space and time. From a plot machinations point of view I get that, but from the point of view of a member of the viewing audience it’s irritating.
I understand that the audience shouldn’t always get what it wants. But I also understand that a show shouldn’t tie its strongest arm behind its back simply because it can. When I look back at the first two or three seasons of Lost what I see isn’t a show whose storytelling was that much better than it is today but a show whose character interactions were more interesting and varied. Giving that big cast the space in which to bounce off of one another in fun, intriguing and cool ways was what made the show work. I wish I could understand why the show runners lost sight of that.
* and I know many of you won’t agree on that, but I think history will find that the Battlestar finale was brave and unique and that it really did what few TV shows ever do – it expanded the scope of its themes to huge levels. The seeds for that finale were planted at the beginning, and complaining that the show relied on ‘God did it’ is kind of literally missing the entire point of the finale. I don’t have to believe in God to appreciate a well-told story featuring Him.





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Completely agree with you, but I think it might be about money. I believe you pay by appearance and by focusing every episode on half the group, you can pay them half as much.
Lost "lost" me years ago when the writers dumbed-down the characters so much that they were unable to ask specific questions to important characters. It's the most frustrating thing about the Lost scripts… any rational person in the situations that, say, Jack has found himself in would have LOGICAL questions to ask and receive answers before doing certain things. Instead, the writers have him blindly do-someones-bidding or follow an instruction without following through on a pertinent question that is both in the viewers mind and would logically be in the characters-head as well… it's lazy 'secret keeping' that has lost A LOT of viewers from the show. They can still build myths and twists as they have while still revealing the basics of things (like) the smoke monster which would be logical and obvious macguffins of which to question their importance by almost all the main characters…
I thought you weren't going to watch, or care? Liar.
Devin is correct about Battlestar Galactica. That is all.
The BSG finale is okay. That's it… it's okay.
If you love that, then you possibly could not even come close to understanding that these GODLIKE ENTITIES have been with the show SINCE SEASON ONE! SEASON ONE, DEVIN! Season freakin one. Complaints like yours are so fucking pedestrian, it amazes me that such amazing LOST discussion can even happen on this website, because obviously the guy running it has no idea what the fuck the show is about or what the fuck is going on.
If you really were paying attention to this show then you would realize that James Ford does not get to shine with Jack standing in his spot light. Hurley does not become who he is in a large group of people. Outside of Sun and Jin being separated for two years, the splitting of the cast has made the show better. It's given us Faraday, Desmond, Miles, Widmore, Charlotte , Richard, more Juliette, more Ben, and has produced character growth that would simply not have happened if THE WHOLE CAST STAYED TOGETHER!
Again, it's your valid complaint but it's an easily dismissed complaint if you simply pay attention to the show and it's characters.
The Starbuck reveal was horrible. It was basically how they ended 'Poochie' on The Simpsons. 'I am not from here and have to go home now' as they pull an animation cell out of frame.
Horrible times a million.
I think as Mr. Lost Recap (forgot his name, for a moment) has clearly pointed out with his impressively in-depth columns (too much time on this hands? Sleep deprived?), this season's brilliance has been to coalesce the questions of yesteryear into the thinking and philosophy of this year and to make clear that the flow was always there for the answers that are coming up now, even if we aren't going to get all the answers in the long run (and we aren't). The rest is for each of us to contemplate our own answers to universal questions that existed before but now play out in a more relatable context. I think Devin's problem is that he become too lazy to think about it. The interplay between Sawyer and Hurley is great, but that's true of the interplay between Hurley and just about everybody. Keeping Sun and Jin apart kept them from grating on everybody's nerves as they ran out of things to say when they were together and, especially, their motivations for anything. As for the "deities?" Only the fool thinks that their addition is not a plus to a show that has spent its entire run debating destiny and control, faith vs. logic and science, and, in many ways, the philosophical thematics of a God vs. Satan (good vs. evil, light vs. dark) relationship to the thinking, feeling human beings forced to choose between what they want and what is ultimately better.
Comparing lost to heroes is kind of like comparing a pile of shit to a pile of shit.
Devin, I agree completely with you about the character moments not being as sharp as they were in those first two (or three) seasons, and I while I enjoy the last three seasons, I totally recognize why a lot of people haven't been on board and I can see myself leaning that way in a slightly different universe.
But, again, I love it. And I'll say this: the show's writers spent at least two years shaping and strengthening their characters, learning how the actors and characters best fit one another, and establishing the way everyone would interact with one another for better or worse. To me, and this is just opinion mind you… but to me it began to feel, especially by season 3, that a lot of what the original cast was doing with one another felt sometimes repetitive, like we had knew everyone (excepting these new Dharma folks), that there just wasn't much point in keeping them rounded up and bouncing off of each other all the time.
While I understand that kind of criticism, i think that it would have made for season after season of Jack wanting to get off of the island, Locke wanting to stay, and everyone else alternating sides. It would be predictable and unnecessary and we Lost viewers would no longer be able to roll our eyes at those who don't watch the show and ask questions like "So this is the last season. Are they going to finally get off the island?"
Seasons 4, 5, and 6 have been bizarre and fiercely out of character for the first two or three seasons of the show, but I think the reason it continues to be interesting is because the writers took these characters and brought them right to the threshold of development and now we can follow them anywhere, through any situation, and not feel too alienated by the plot, because these people are so familiar to us that they're always a solid anchor.
It sucks that these characters are apart, but I don't think that's what causes the biggest problems the show has at this point.
I'm in total agreement with you (Devin), as the show peaked around the end of 3 to the middle of 4 for me. Lost has fallen off and it's been far too easy to figure out ahead of time. All of the reveals this season have been either terribly predictable or wholly bland. And for Gods sakes, quit calling them by that stupid, annoying pet name Losties.
I was a fan of the show since day one. Slowly but surely this show has done nothing but frustrate me to end with the stupid decisions the characters have made throughout. It's become so routine on this faltering show that when one survivor shows up with something important that needs to be done, the rest of the episode will be in preperation for said event. And then when they start walking off into the jungle towards their purpose, end of episode. I'm in it now for the ending. I'm thanking, God, Jacob, and the MIB that this show is finally over. Because after the finale I won't have to care about it anymore.
Good read DF – and your reasons for disliking Lost are pretty sound. I'm also with you on the Galactica finale – one of the all-time great series ending episodes, no doubt.
Patience Devin, while i will agree with you that this season has not been what all wanted it to be so far. Season 3 started off as a complete waste off time which turned into the best build up and finale the show has ever had. Wait til its over to share your opinion.
Lost has gotten really, really shit. And the BSG finale is a complete turd. What about the goddam Bob Dylan songs?!? Fuck you BSG.
The BSG ending was solid, IMHO. But what was Starbuck, exactly? Some kinda angel or something? Is that why her ship was in pristine condition when she came back from the "other side"?
Wow. It soured my whole love of the show. And while this season of Lost is mediocre, one has to realize that it's a TV series… There are always lame script contrivances to carry an overarcing plot. Always. Get over yourself.
Sun is dead! Sun is dead! Praise the heavens, Sun is dead!
My wife and I watched BSG from the beginning, and we thought it was a wonderful show. The Finale (and dare I say the last 6 episodes) was utter SHIT. I cant get over how bad it was if I still lived in an apartment building I would yell from the roof top how much it sucked. Just reading that anyone would think it has any redeeming value makes me want to climb a bell tower.
That said in my humble opinion LOST is the best TV I have ever seen.
Just to answer your complaint about MIB. I have a theory, and I havent seen this mentioned anywhere, the reason he cant leave the island. Jacob wants people to make there own decisions so he keeps to the side and lets them do what they want he may push a little but ultimately they can live there lives the way they want. MIB wants people to know what he is a Deity (maybe) if he gets off the island and makes himself known to the world, wether he is or isnt he will be worshiped by everyone as a god. not sure I am explaining this correctly. let me give an example. I am an Atheist, however if I saw a man turn into a smoke monster and back to a man I would bow before him and kiss his feet and do whatever the fuck he wants. so if smokey leaves the island that means the end of freewill.
Not sure if my rambling makes any sense but i tried.
BTW did I mention how much i hated the BSG finale.
The decision to separate the characters isn't particular to Lost, but to storytelling in general. As stated above, keeping the characters together becomes stale and repetitive. The characters cannot grow in a large mass, they just lean upon one another. This is one of the reasons sitcoms can run for ten years or more, they stay the same in the group. By splitting the characters up and forcing them to find independence as singular beings, they alternately become more individually watchable and interesting. The reconvergence of the characters with one another, and the subsequent recognition of their individual growth by one another also reinforces the magnitude of the growth that we've witnessed. This happens in Star Wars, The Odyssey, Huck Finn, King Arthur, etc.. It's Joseph Campbell in action. By saying that the show splitting up its large group of characters is a fault, Devin blindly dismisses one of the most common and important tropes in storytelling. I guess he'd have preferred that they all stayed on the beach and the show turned into Gilligan's Island.
To each his own. But I disagree. Yeah, as a fan of the series, I do miss the character moments that have, at this point, mostly fallen by the wayside. It's not a mistake though. There's just this other story that has to be told now. The focus has shifted. If you're on board with that, I get it. It just seems to not understand what the show meant to do from the beginning. I want the characters to be together, too. Maybe Lost has missed out by not thinking of ways to have everybody together all the time like you want. That just doesn't allow for a whole hell of a lot of narrative possibilities. In fact, it'd be formulaic to an extent beyond what the show is now. Each season of the show is different from the ones before it. I think that's really what bugs people. That it changes. I don't think it's fair hound a show for what it isn't. There's a lot of good there.
tried watching this with my buddy a couple years ago.. not one character has any appeal or charisma to me.. i can't imagine 6-7 seasons of boring backstory, mixed with time travel and shadow beasts.. good lord.. the pop-up video factoids in this season are laughable and only point out how randomly lame this show really is.. as with Heroes, this show fell victim to bad writing/money hungry producers that turned it into a bloated mess of uninteresting.. i suppose all this hate is because none of the actors appeal to me first of all.. the terrible story is a perfect fit for them though.. keep thinking sci-fi on ABC is for smarter folks though, ha!
Devin, if you don't TRULY know why the characters have been separated, you clearly haven't been watching the show at all. If I explained it to you – you wouldn't get it, which is unfortunate. What's even more unfortunate is that if the show's creators explained it to you, you wouldn't get it either. I now know why Lindelof and Cuse will go into radio silence when the show is done. It's because of "fans" like you. It's sad… the person who wrote the Lost vs. Heroes piece has actually become like the Heroes viewers he wrote about.
While I agree on a character enjoyment level, this bit from Drew McWeeny on Hitfix shows that the separation was planned from the start: "Here's something to chew on. When "Lost" was picked up but hadn't started to air yet, I went with a bunch of my friends to a drive-in theater here in LA. One of them was a guy who was working on the show as a writer, and he told me a bit about the premise. I asked him how you avoided making the show "Gilligan's Island with monsters," and he explained that there was a long game they were going to play, and in it, they were going to split the characters up, and half of them were going to follow one character, and half were goign to follow the other, and they'd be going to war. "And the bad guy is going to be the dude from 'The Stepfather,'" he told me. Terry O'Quinn. And for the entire run of the show, I was sure that they had dumped that idea, that Locke was one of the show's heroes. But now, seeing them set up the idea that everything comes down to "a battle, one side light, one side dark," what seems likely is they threw that out there in the broadest possible terms, knowing in general what they were planning to do, leaving it loose enough that they could build that final showdown any way they wanted, but specific enough that when they finally drop the other half of that set-up/pay-off, it feels sort of brain-bending. I'm just starting to realize that way back before the show went on the air even, my friend knew that certain things were going to happen, and they're just now finally getting around to them. Impressive."
Lost. Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica. Two pieces of (at their best) pop art that inspire their fans to feats of incredible faux intellectual arrogance. Each one took a dramatic turn around its third season that either cemented your love for it, or alienated you forever. Being thrown into the negative camp doesn't make you a bad or a stupid person, it just means that the show(s) took away something you liked and you found yourself unable to move past it. While Devin may think the BSG finale will be proven by "history" to be one of the best things since, I don't know, bread, or something (on my personal scale of final episodes, I'd put it just a step or two above the DS9 finale, but way below the last episode of things like The Wire, Arrested Development, or TNG), Lost's mythology and stories are far more tangled up than BSG's ever were, so there's even more pressure to wrap things up in a satisfying way. We'll see (and also, if commercial creative types aren't willing to talk about/explain their work, they're either not proud of it or they really have no clue what the fuck it's about. Artists who produce work for its own sake can be mysterious; the people we pay don't have the same luxury). FIFTH VERIFICATION ATTEMPT
I don't sign Darlton's paychecks so they can be as mysterious as they damn well please. Fuck you. And no artist ever has any obligation to explain their art. The audience are the ones who give it value. Even when you try to understand why your favorite songwriter wrote a particular song you're still coloring the issue with your own individuality. You got it all bass ackwards, Phil. THIRD VERIFICATION ATTEMPT
I dont agree. The show has been nothing short of a creative miracle. I love everything about it. This season has been fasinating. Lost is TV's best mindblower since The Twilight Zone!
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